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aspire |
hello pdurbin : ) |
| 00:16 |
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tjsnell |
dude! |
| 00:18 |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: is aspire the dude guy? good memory |
| 00:18 |
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pdurbin |
aspire: hi |
| 00:19 |
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tjsnell |
no |
| 00:19 |
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whartung |
JEFF BRIDGES!?!??? HERE!!!?!??? |
| 00:19 |
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tjsnell |
that's ilhami, the evil bastard |
| 00:19 |
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whartung |
aspire: you were AWESOME in Starman! |
| 00:19 |
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pdurbin |
you people are all the same to me |
| 00:20 |
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aspire |
mhm : ) |
| 00:20 |
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aspire |
this is so confusing |
| 00:20 |
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pdurbin |
it's a "community" |
| 00:21 |
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whartung |
"Red means stop. Green mean go. Yellow means go very fast." ROFLMAOBBQ |
| 00:22 |
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pdurbin |
aspire: what can we do for you? |
| 00:22 |
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aspire |
pdurbin its related to the android dev |
| 00:22 |
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aspire |
and i have a feeling its going to throw me off each time i use it |
| 00:22 |
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tjsnell |
he needs us to google for him |
| 00:22 |
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aspire |
nah |
| 00:23 |
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pdurbin |
that's what javaeebot is for |
| 00:23 |
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aspire |
its just how things are named but i think i understand it |
| 00:23 |
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aspire |
RectF(float left, float top, float right, float bottom) |
| 00:23 |
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aspire |
im assuming those parameters are like x, y, width, height |
| 00:24 |
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pdurbin |
no docs? |
| 00:25 |
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whartung |
doesn't look like widt and height to me |
| 00:25 |
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whartung |
looks like absoulte coords |
| 00:25 |
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whartung |
right - left = width |
| 00:25 |
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aspire |
there are docs but here are the explanations for each parameter http://puu.sh/7JzLd.png |
| 00:26 |
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aspire |
whartung that cant be right because im treating the right as width and bottom as height and it appears to be working fine |
| 00:26 |
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whartung |
then the args are badly named |
| 00:40 |
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aspire |
whartung ahhh |
| 00:40 |
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aspire |
it appears you are correct |
| 00:40 |
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aspire |
it is right - left |
| 00:40 |
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aspire |
the only reason why it works for me is because left is 0 |
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cem__ |
i dont like windows |
| 09:38 |
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cem__ |
mac :/ |
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cem__ |
mac far far better then windowzzz |
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pdurbin |
and linux better still :) |
| 11:03 |
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tjsnell |
by what standard? |
| 11:06 |
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pdurbin |
around here there's a lot of oil heat. on the side of some of the trucks you see, "oil heat: it's just better" :) |
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neuro_sys |
I agree, here's the link. |
| 12:21 |
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neuro_sys |
what a nasty ad |
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firebird1 |
hi all |
| 14:15 |
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pdurbin |
firebird1: what's on your mind? |
| 14:19 |
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firebird1 |
nothing :/ |
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neuro_sys |
this DataPower thingie seems amazing |
| 14:26 |
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neuro_sys |
a one box solution for all SOA integration needs |
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| 15:03 |
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sfisque |
lol windows/mac/linux debate. just be happy sco died. anything is better than sco |
| 15:05 |
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tjsnell |
trsdos? |
| 15:06 |
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tjsnell |
I had a team of 20 devs, with a broad mixture of windows, linux and osx |
| 15:06 |
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sfisque |
a real os. dos, pre xp windows and classic macos are toys, not os's |
| 15:06 |
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tjsnell |
bought them all nice macs and said install the os of your choiice |
| 15:06 |
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tjsnell |
3 months later? 100% osx |
| 15:06 |
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sfisque |
nice |
| 15:06 |
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sfisque |
solaris runs nicely on mac hardware |
| 15:13 |
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Naros |
why in the world would struts preparable interface call the specialized prepare first then the global prepare rather than the reverse, arrrrggghhh |
| 15:13 |
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Naros |
some of these decisions really don't have a single use in real world apps |
| 15:17 |
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sfisque |
are you passing null in any of the parameters? null will confuse dispatch to polymorphic methods |
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| 15:17 |
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Naros |
nah; i wanted to avoid creating a plethora or actions for crud like simple operations for gathering input and such from users. |
| 15:18 |
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sfisque |
or are they explicitly doing that? |
| 15:18 |
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Naros |
so I have this action that has a prepare() method that looks up a common pojo from the db. |
| 15:18 |
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Naros |
i have another prepareRequest() method that does additional processing when the request mehod is called. |
| 15:18 |
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Naros |
I expected the API to call prepare() first, then prepareRequest() |
| 15:18 |
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Naros |
but instead it calls them in reverse which makes no sense to me |
| 15:19 |
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sfisque |
assuming it's a "chain of command" pattern, it's really by fiat of the designer |
| 15:19 |
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sfisque |
it's been quite some time since i played with struts, so i forget if that call path is CoC |
| 15:19 |
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Naros |
the only way to do what I need is either 1) bunch of conditional checks in both prepares to try and determine state or 2) create base class with prepare() global stuff and a subclass which overrides prepare, calls the super and then does it's necessary stuffs. |
| 15:20 |
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Naros |
3) write my own interceptor that calls them in reverse. |
| 15:20 |
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sfisque |
is it a convention that can be overriden in the configuration? i remember struts doing alot of that when it went from 1.x to 2.x |
| 15:21 |
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Naros |
You can override it by creating your own interceptor stack and replacing their interceptor with your own. |
| 15:22 |
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Naros |
I would just think that something where they clearly point out prepare() is for global init and prepare<Method>() is for specialized init that the global would come first. |
| 15:22 |
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firebird1 |
responsive website based on device is challenging |
| 15:23 |
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Naros |
One nasty solution is to forego validation framework and the preparable interface and dump everything into the execute handlers :S |
| 15:23 |
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Naros |
but ugh that defeats the purpose of these hooks they provide. |
| 15:24 |
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* Naros |
needs a drink. |
| 15:24 |
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tjsnell |
you're using struts, many drinks I'd guess |
| 15:24 |
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Naros |
Never stumbled onto this headache with separate actions before for each "step" in a workflow. |
| 15:24 |
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Naros |
just didn't want to have a ton of RequestItemStep1Action, RequestItemStep2Action, etc. |
| 15:26 |
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sfisque |
DynaAction? |
| 15:26 |
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sfisque |
or whatever they call it nowadays |
| 15:27 |
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Naros |
yah you just extend ActionSupport with all your various interfaces needed. |
| 15:28 |
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Naros |
but the framework has lots of built in predefined hooks like preparable, validationaware, etc. |
| 15:29 |
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Naros |
oh well, back to coding |
| 15:30 |
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firebird1 |
its struts2 |
| 15:30 |
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Naros |
yah |
| 15:31 |
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firebird1 |
i like struts 2 next <prj> one i need find some client who go for tht :/<hard> |
| 15:32 |
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Naros |
I like the framework, I just disagree with some of their design approaches here and there. For example, the XML validation feels archaic. |
| 15:33 |
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sfisque |
hopefully if it is a good fit. struts fills a particular problem space, just like jsf, and other disparate frameworks |
| 15:33 |
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Naros |
No way to really apply field-hierarchy validations easily. |
| 15:33 |
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firebird1 |
there is annotation too :/ |
| 15:33 |
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| 15:33 |
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sfisque |
struts2 doesnt leverage bean validation? |
| 15:33 |
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Naros |
if you use the convention plugin, you can use annotations, yes. |
| 15:33 |
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Naros |
but they're just as limiting as the XML |
| 15:33 |
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firebird1 |
wat |
| 15:34 |
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firebird1 |
struts 2 has annotation |
| 15:34 |
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Naros |
yes |
| 15:34 |
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Naros |
action mappings, validations, etc can all be done using annotations |
| 15:34 |
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firebird1 |
http://struts.apache.org/release/2.3.x/docs/validation.html |
| 15:34 |
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firebird1 |
i used 2.2 |
| 15:34 |
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Naros |
the entire 2.x branch hasn't changed too much |
| 15:35 |
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firebird1 |
wats new in 2.3 |
| 15:35 |
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sfisque |
javaeebot release notes struts 2.3 |
| 15:35 |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: Error: "release" is not a valid command. |
| 15:35 |
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Naros |
don't remember, we've been on 2.3 for a long time now. |
| 15:35 |
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sfisque |
javaeebot lucky release notes struts 2.3 |
| 15:35 |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: http://struts.apache.org/release/2.3.x/docs/version-notes-231.html |
| 15:35 |
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sfisque |
^^^ firebird1 |
| 15:36 |
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firebird1 |
javaeebot sfisque |
| 15:36 |
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Naros |
But yah, where one field depends on another ot become required, etc. The expression validator doesn't do well with hierarchies. |
| 15:36 |
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javaeebot |
firebird1: Error: "sfisque" is not a valid command. |
| 15:36 |
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firebird1 |
javaeebot lucky sfisque |
| 15:36 |
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javaeebot |
firebird1: http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/2013-07-17 |
| 15:36 |
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Naros |
lol |
| 15:37 |
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sfisque |
aye. even jsf has that issue. you have to inline validators and that gets messy if you need interfield validation (or you have to embed all sorts of logic in the client side, bleh) |
| 15:37 |
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firebird1 |
Google knows sfisque |
| 15:37 |
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* sfisque |
gasps |
| 15:37 |
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sfisque |
there goes my privacy |
| 15:37 |
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sfisque |
:P |
| 15:38 |
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firebird1 |
but u dont have p:datatable things are way more interesting :/ |
| 15:38 |
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firebird1 |
have u built any generic thing Naros ? |
| 15:39 |
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sfisque |
^^^^ what does that mean fb |
| 15:39 |
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Naros |
Depends on what you mean. |
| 15:40 |
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Naros |
Sure, I have lots of generic code written using Java Generics :P |
| 15:40 |
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firebird1 |
sfisque, p:datatable is generic , does Naros similar one |
| 15:41 |
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pdurbin |
overheard: "ideally, we won't need any service beans (except for the engine)" |
| 15:41 |
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Naros |
Sure we use a custom port of the displaytag library. |
| 15:41 |
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Naros |
We also use Jquery UI heavily. |
| 15:43 |
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sfisque |
pdurbin - care to translate, because i have no idea what that could even mean |
| 15:44 |
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sfisque |
was that even english? |
| 15:44 |
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pdurbin |
heh. not right now |
| 15:44 |
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sfisque |
>.<' |
| 15:44 |
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sfisque |
i'm guessing that gem came from some other channel? |
| 15:44 |
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pdurbin |
nope. internal debate |
| 15:44 |
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pdurbin |
command pattern |
| 15:45 |
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sfisque |
how very 1983 |
| 15:46 |
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Naros |
lol |
| 15:46 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: you don't like the command pattern? |
| 15:46 |
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sfisque |
lets just say (it's fine in itself) i've seen it abused, in very, very, very, very bad ways |
| 15:46 |
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Naros |
likewise. |
| 15:46 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: well, when we open source this thing I'll let you know :) |
| 15:47 |
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sfisque |
:-D |
| 15:47 |
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pdurbin |
patches welcome |
| 15:47 |
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sfisque |
i've already got 2 full time jobs, parenting, and hobbies, thank you :P |
| 15:48 |
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sfisque |
but i'll definitely take some time to point and laugh. |
| 15:48 |
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sfisque |
JK |
| 15:48 |
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sfisque |
i'm sure it will be fine |
| 15:48 |
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pdurbin |
probably will be fine. i have a brain crush on this guy |
| 15:48 |
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sfisque |
nice |
| 15:48 |
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sfisque |
i need one of thse |
| 15:49 |
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sfisque |
or several |
| 15:49 |
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sfisque |
a harem of smart people |
| 15:49 |
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sfisque |
wooooo |
| 15:50 |
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pdurbin |
i'm happy to learn from this guy |
| 15:51 |
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neuro_sys |
/quit |
| 15:52 |
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firebird1 |
i like strategy pattern |
| 15:53 |
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firebird1 |
i dont know why sfisque dont like command :/ |
| 15:55 |
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sfisque |
it's not that i don't like it. i just prefer other patterns if i can help it (command fits well in some situations [hence why its a pattern] but it's easily abused and can give rise to things like god-object and base-bean/call-super very quickly/easily |
| 15:59 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: lemme see if he's willing to publish his slide deck from back when he proposed using the command pattern |
| 16:02 |
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sfisque |
anyone running win7 and experiencing any "sluggishness" since the last flurry of m$ patches? |
| 16:03 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: are we back to the windows/mac/linux debate? ;) |
| 16:03 |
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sfisque |
lolz |
| 16:04 |
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sfisque |
just looking for a baseline. i like to know if i fudged up my machine or if i can just blame it on m$ |
| 16:04 |
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sfisque |
:P |
| 16:04 |
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* sfisque |
shakes a fist at pdurbin |
| 16:04 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: take it to ##windows ;) |
| 16:05 |
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* sfisque |
sighs |
| 16:05 |
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sfisque |
another channel.... |
| 16:05 |
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sfisque |
at some point, i'm going to have 2348324234 tabs up in adium |
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sfisque |
happy birthday, melissa virus!! |
| 18:44 |
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pdurbin |
man i love writing the rest api first so so much. then jsf |
| 18:46 |
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sfisque |
why so? |
| 18:46 |
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pdurbin |
i'm a command line guy. love me some curl |
| 18:47 |
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sfisque |
aye. i'm just curious why the ordering matters? two very different delivery types |
| 18:47 |
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sfisque |
and yes, using curl to debug rest is very nice |
| 18:47 |
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sfisque |
simple and right to the point |
| 18:47 |
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pdurbin |
diff /tmp/anon <(curl -s 'http://localhost:8080/api/search?q=*') |
| 18:47 |
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pdurbin |
with curl, that's one of my tests :) |
| 18:48 |
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pdurbin |
harder to automate a jsf integration test |
| 18:48 |
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sfisque |
ah, so it's preference, not ordering |
| 18:48 |
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sfisque |
ok. i misunderstood |
| 18:48 |
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sfisque |
stupid english language :P |
| 18:48 |
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CJ_ |
pdurbin, I ended up using curl, awk and grep to clean out my solr. Much nicer than doing it by hand. |
| 18:50 |
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pdurbin |
CJ_: i love awk and grep too. my website is http://greptilian.com :) |
| 18:50 |
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CJ_ |
pdurbin, Sounds familiar, but doesn't look familiar. |
| 18:51 |
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tjsnell |
betterthangrep.com |
| 18:51 |
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tjsnell |
ack++ |
| 18:51 |
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pdurbin |
http://beyondgrep.com these days :) |
| 18:52 |
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tjsnell |
it redirects |
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pdurbin |
yeah |
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