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01:54 pdurbin "The living breathing conversations reveal minutely who we are" -- http://thecommandline.net/wiki/2013_01_29
01:56 pdurbin that's from cmdln, the guy i mentioned here: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08#i_2883
01:56 pdurbin he was talking about the somewhat official history we write about ourselves, such as in a resume
01:57 pdurbin versus living breathing conversations we have on mailing lists or in blog posts or comments
01:57 pdurbin i'm realizing that i like the living breathing conversations a lot
01:58 pdurbin it's what attracted me to twitter... people feel less inhibited
01:58 pdurbin maybe too uninhibited :)
01:59 pdurbin it's the same here. people chat, get to know each other
02:00 pdurbin get a feeling for one another
02:00 pdurbin and it's not too stuffy or formal
02:01 pdurbin I mentioned on day one of spanworm that i have a variety of topics in mind: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08#i_2717
02:02 pdurbin I focused initially on data liberation and owning your own words because I think they're important
02:02 pdurbin but I have other things rattling around in my brain too
02:03 pdurbin and it's all sort of related, but there's less of a... cause, I guess
02:03 pdurbin I guess social media is what we call it these days
02:04 pdurbin connecting with people
02:04 pdurbin the Internet was built by people for people
02:05 pdurbin It's thrilling, really, how easy it is to gather people together.
02:06 pdurbin So I guess I'm saying that I'll probably be talking about social software
02:06 pdurbin almost all software is social software: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08#i_2864
02:07 pdurbin It sounds a little mundane to say that at the get go though
02:07 pdurbin people have social media overload
02:07 pdurbin which I completely understand
02:08 pdurbin but it's not about the software
02:08 pdurbin it's about the people
02:35 pdurbin that's funny, I just left a comment linking back here at http://thecommandline.net/2013/01/29/history/comment-page-1/#comment-41803
02:35 pdurbin and it got me thinking about how i had emailed back and forth with cmdln about how to see all the comments i've made on his blog
02:36 pdurbin which led me to this tweet i had sent: "@anildash nice thread! I agree that I'd like to own my comments. and i can with ThinkUp! (twitter comments anyway)" -- https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/172852799531520000
02:37 pdurbin that thread being http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve
02:37 pdurbin Anil kicks off that thread with "
02:37 pdurbin Anil kicks off that thread with "
02:37 pdurbin It seems like some of the basic elements of the form, such as comments, have been stuck in a model that doesn't work very well to encourage quality responses and also doesn't fit the way people do things socially online these days. Oddly, a blog comment isn't even as good a social object as a photo.
02:38 pdurbin whoops. copy paste fail. meh. anyway :)
02:40 pdurbin some good comments in that thread
02:40 pdurbin "The whole idea of comments is based on the assumption that most people reading won't have their own platform to respond with. So you need to provide some temporary shanty town for these folks to take up residence for a day or two. And then if you're like Matt--hanging out in dozens of shanty towns--you need some sort of communication mechanism to tie them together. That sucks." -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#xzjgitngbhk
02:42 pdurbin "The dynamic now is thread master and subordinates. There should be a way to enable peers." -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#mwcriasvzky
02:43 pdurbin hmm, those last two are from https://twitter.com/pbausch . following
02:44 pdurbin "peer" was definitely one of the words I was grepping for when I came up with spanworm: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08#i_2773
02:47 pdurbin "What I'm hoping is that we can develop good ways of connecting writing, on a consensual basis. I'd like to team up with people whose writing complements mine. People who have ideas that I would like to see gain more exposure. Without opening it up to spammers and emotional thrill-seekers. That's the challenge, to strike a balance, to create something new and better." -- http://scripting.com/stories/2012/02/21/whatIsRelativeWriting.html
02:48 pdurbin @ev from twitter linked to that here: http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#uy-qtyitdlw
02:51 pdurbin heh. i'm fascinated that Branch seems to have a character limit not so different than IRC: http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#4wco59s1-z8
02:52 pdurbin from that same link (pbauch again): "I think any system that involves selecting people ahead of time is going to be too limited."
03:05 pdurbin tweeted at that guy to let him know he's right on: https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/301165608257613824
03:07 pdurbin "Maybe what needs to evolve is the idea that having ownership and control of your public writing is important." -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#8usjovv7lhi
03:08 pdurbin "Every system that has great, immediate, large-scale feedback basically takes away all of your ownership of your content. And conversely, completely owned platforms are often ghost towns." -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#jjjg5uumv1u
03:09 pdurbin "
03:09 pdurbin "
03:09 pdurbin Owning is more work. More responsibility. It also could potentially be more satisfying, but the best parties are at the rentals right now. We give up some control to have the instant network.
03:10 pdurbin -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#hlqggjp1r98
03:10 pdurbin so i'm not sure that last one is true
03:10 pdurbin for me anyway, IRC is a great instant network
03:10 pdurbin well, some of my haunts are more active than others: http://wiki.greptilian.com/haunts
03:11 pdurbin but many of them are quite active (or too active) and i get a response right away
03:12 pdurbin and again, with logging, IRC can be a publishing platform: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-09#i_2910
03:14 pdurbin hmm, interesting: "Paul, been thinking about your landlord vs renter analogy, not sure it's quite right because I'm not sure people *want* to own. It's often like owning a run-down Victorian, you always have to replace pipes that are bursting, plaster walls that collapse, etc. etc. People buy new houses because they don't want that work." -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#twsdc7ym61o
03:16 pdurbin "I do agree so much of why people don't value ownership in social media is that they see it as conversation, not content, but that's often because we don't *know* in advance when it becomes meaningful." -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#xobpznts0mw
03:17 pdurbin i definitely agree with that. that's why i log all the things. you get a little noise but it's easy to grep for the thing you remember writing or seeing. i do it all the time
03:22 pdurbin anyway, great thread. again, it starts at http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve
03:34 pdurbin So if I had to empahsize one thing, it would be "there should be a way to enable peers." I like writing together, the back and forth, the coming to an understanding.
03:34 pdurbin Of course, I'm also fine with just talking to myself, obviously. :)
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13:17 pdurbin i was just listening to http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/11/se-podcast-37/ on my bike ride in to work. paused about 43 minutes in
13:17 pdurbin i love the Stack Exchange podcast, and its predecessor, the Stack Overflow podcast
13:18 pdurbin I was reminded that their mission is to make the Internet better
13:19 pdurbin I'm on board with that mission, of course
13:20 pdurbin I'm curious what they'd think about spanworm though. I suspect they would dismiss it as "just a bunch of links" or "a conversation among a few people"
13:21 pdurbin But links are valuable. They're what the web is all about.
13:21 pdurbin And conversation is valuable too. People reach an understanding.
13:22 pdurbin To be clear, I'm all for Q&A sites like Stack Overflow. I'm fairly active on its parent network: http://stackexchange.com/users/10330/philip-durbin?tab=accounts
13:23 pdurbin But there are many ways to make the Internet a better place. :)
13:23 pdurbin ...
13:24 pdurbin In other news, I just discovered http://libreprojects.net via #unhosted
13:32 AcidNerd pdurbin:
13:33 AcidNerd http://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.indymedia.org/?nick=indy|?#globaleditors,#globalrevnews,#glo​balwatch,#peoplewitness,#spanishrevo​lution,#greecewatch,#europeanspring
13:33 AcidNerd there you can see what i'm messing with
13:33 AcidNerd each channels has bots
13:34 AcidNerd scrapping social nets and rss feed to send content to the channel
13:34 AcidNerd channels are being used to monitor what's going on on a few countries
13:34 AcidNerd around social movements and activism
13:35 AcidNerd bot's can scrape information from any RSS feed, in fact can be customised to watch exactly the information you are looking for
13:35 * pdurbin looks at http://kiwiirc.com
13:35 AcidNerd in fact we're using a similar bot coupled with another one
13:35 AcidNerd called babelbot on a Syrian channel, where one bot send information IN
13:36 AcidNerd the other translate it using google translate API
13:36 AcidNerd so in fact there is indeed many ways to get live content, streamlined into a communication structure
13:37 AcidNerd kiwiirc is just a chat applet, allowing people to connect from any website etc..
13:37 AcidNerd similar to qwebirc
13:38 AcidNerd if you stay on the list of channels, you will see bots sending in information related to the channel you are in
13:38 pdurbin very cool
13:38 AcidNerd for example #globalwatch is watching over
13:38 AcidNerd 700+ streamers around the world
13:38 AcidNerd and each time they go live
13:38 AcidNerd we get the link into the channel
13:39 pdurbin a friend of mine asked about web-based IRC clients recently: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2013-01-25#i_6375956
13:39 AcidNerd and mixers of rebroadcasting channels like occupy news network, or globalrevolution livestream channel, will use the information and rebroadcast to their audience, who and what is being live streamed in the street at X place
13:40 AcidNerd kiwiirc is one cool web-based irc client
13:40 AcidNerd very active coders
13:40 AcidNerd bots can also be used to scrap twitter
13:40 * pdurbin drops a link: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2013-02-12#i_6442491
13:42 AcidNerd and only deliver result based on twitter search operators
13:42 AcidNerd ex : http://search.twitter.com/search.rss?q=%23egypt+-rt+lang:en
13:42 AcidNerd that would give you twits in english about egypt
13:42 AcidNerd keyword egypt
13:42 AcidNerd then it can be refined
13:45 pdurbin AcidNerd: great stuff. i'll take a better look later. thanks
13:50 AcidNerd k
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