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Nick |
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| 01:54 |
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pdurbin |
"The living breathing conversations reveal minutely who we are" -- http://thecommandline.net/wiki/2013_01_29 |
| 01:56 |
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pdurbin |
that's from cmdln, the guy i mentioned here: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08#i_2883 |
| 01:56 |
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pdurbin |
he was talking about the somewhat official history we write about ourselves, such as in a resume |
| 01:57 |
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pdurbin |
versus living breathing conversations we have on mailing lists or in blog posts or comments |
| 01:57 |
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pdurbin |
i'm realizing that i like the living breathing conversations a lot |
| 01:58 |
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pdurbin |
it's what attracted me to twitter... people feel less inhibited |
| 01:58 |
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pdurbin |
maybe too uninhibited :) |
| 01:59 |
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pdurbin |
it's the same here. people chat, get to know each other |
| 02:00 |
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pdurbin |
get a feeling for one another |
| 02:00 |
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pdurbin |
and it's not too stuffy or formal |
| 02:01 |
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pdurbin |
I mentioned on day one of spanworm that i have a variety of topics in mind: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08#i_2717 |
| 02:02 |
|
pdurbin |
I focused initially on data liberation and owning your own words because I think they're important |
| 02:02 |
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pdurbin |
but I have other things rattling around in my brain too |
| 02:03 |
|
pdurbin |
and it's all sort of related, but there's less of a... cause, I guess |
| 02:03 |
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pdurbin |
I guess social media is what we call it these days |
| 02:04 |
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pdurbin |
connecting with people |
| 02:04 |
|
pdurbin |
the Internet was built by people for people |
| 02:05 |
|
pdurbin |
It's thrilling, really, how easy it is to gather people together. |
| 02:06 |
|
pdurbin |
So I guess I'm saying that I'll probably be talking about social software |
| 02:06 |
|
pdurbin |
almost all software is social software: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08#i_2864 |
| 02:07 |
|
pdurbin |
It sounds a little mundane to say that at the get go though |
| 02:07 |
|
pdurbin |
people have social media overload |
| 02:07 |
|
pdurbin |
which I completely understand |
| 02:08 |
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pdurbin |
but it's not about the software |
| 02:08 |
|
pdurbin |
it's about the people |
| 02:35 |
|
pdurbin |
that's funny, I just left a comment linking back here at http://thecommandline.net/2013/01/29/history/comment-page-1/#comment-41803 |
| 02:35 |
|
pdurbin |
and it got me thinking about how i had emailed back and forth with cmdln about how to see all the comments i've made on his blog |
| 02:36 |
|
pdurbin |
which led me to this tweet i had sent: "@anildash nice thread! I agree that I'd like to own my comments. and i can with ThinkUp! (twitter comments anyway)" -- https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/172852799531520000 |
| 02:37 |
|
pdurbin |
that thread being http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve |
| 02:37 |
|
pdurbin |
Anil kicks off that thread with " |
| 02:37 |
|
pdurbin |
Anil kicks off that thread with " |
| 02:37 |
|
pdurbin |
It seems like some of the basic elements of the form, such as comments, have been stuck in a model that doesn't work very well to encourage quality responses and also doesn't fit the way people do things socially online these days. Oddly, a blog comment isn't even as good a social object as a photo. |
| 02:38 |
|
pdurbin |
whoops. copy paste fail. meh. anyway :) |
| 02:40 |
|
pdurbin |
some good comments in that thread |
| 02:40 |
|
pdurbin |
"The whole idea of comments is based on the assumption that most people reading won't have their own platform to respond with. So you need to provide some temporary shanty town for these folks to take up residence for a day or two. And then if you're like Matt--hanging out in dozens of shanty towns--you need some sort of communication mechanism to tie them together. That sucks." -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#xzjgitngbhk |
| 02:42 |
|
pdurbin |
"The dynamic now is thread master and subordinates. There should be a way to enable peers." -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#mwcriasvzky |
| 02:43 |
|
pdurbin |
hmm, those last two are from https://twitter.com/pbausch . following |
| 02:44 |
|
pdurbin |
"peer" was definitely one of the words I was grepping for when I came up with spanworm: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08#i_2773 |
| 02:47 |
|
pdurbin |
"What I'm hoping is that we can develop good ways of connecting writing, on a consensual basis. I'd like to team up with people whose writing complements mine. People who have ideas that I would like to see gain more exposure. Without opening it up to spammers and emotional thrill-seekers. That's the challenge, to strike a balance, to create something new and better." -- http://scripting.com/stories/2012/02/21/whatIsRelativeWriting.html |
| 02:48 |
|
pdurbin |
@ev from twitter linked to that here: http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#uy-qtyitdlw |
| 02:51 |
|
pdurbin |
heh. i'm fascinated that Branch seems to have a character limit not so different than IRC: http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#4wco59s1-z8 |
| 02:52 |
|
pdurbin |
from that same link (pbauch again): "I think any system that involves selecting people ahead of time is going to be too limited." |
| 03:05 |
|
pdurbin |
tweeted at that guy to let him know he's right on: https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/301165608257613824 |
| 03:07 |
|
pdurbin |
"Maybe what needs to evolve is the idea that having ownership and control of your public writing is important." -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#8usjovv7lhi |
| 03:08 |
|
pdurbin |
"Every system that has great, immediate, large-scale feedback basically takes away all of your ownership of your content. And conversely, completely owned platforms are often ghost towns." -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#jjjg5uumv1u |
| 03:09 |
|
pdurbin |
" |
| 03:09 |
|
pdurbin |
" |
| 03:09 |
|
pdurbin |
Owning is more work. More responsibility. It also could potentially be more satisfying, but the best parties are at the rentals right now. We give up some control to have the instant network. |
| 03:10 |
|
pdurbin |
-- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#hlqggjp1r98 |
| 03:10 |
|
pdurbin |
so i'm not sure that last one is true |
| 03:10 |
|
pdurbin |
for me anyway, IRC is a great instant network |
| 03:10 |
|
pdurbin |
well, some of my haunts are more active than others: http://wiki.greptilian.com/haunts |
| 03:11 |
|
pdurbin |
but many of them are quite active (or too active) and i get a response right away |
| 03:12 |
|
pdurbin |
and again, with logging, IRC can be a publishing platform: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-09#i_2910 |
| 03:14 |
|
pdurbin |
hmm, interesting: "Paul, been thinking about your landlord vs renter analogy, not sure it's quite right because I'm not sure people *want* to own. It's often like owning a run-down Victorian, you always have to replace pipes that are bursting, plaster walls that collapse, etc. etc. People buy new houses because they don't want that work." -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#twsdc7ym61o |
| 03:16 |
|
pdurbin |
"I do agree so much of why people don't value ownership in social media is that they see it as conversation, not content, but that's often because we don't *know* in advance when it becomes meaningful." -- http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve#xobpznts0mw |
| 03:17 |
|
pdurbin |
i definitely agree with that. that's why i log all the things. you get a little noise but it's easy to grep for the thing you remember writing or seeing. i do it all the time |
| 03:22 |
|
pdurbin |
anyway, great thread. again, it starts at http://branch.com/b/how-do-blogs-need-to-evolve |
| 03:34 |
|
pdurbin |
So if I had to empahsize one thing, it would be "there should be a way to enable peers." I like writing together, the back and forth, the coming to an understanding. |
| 03:34 |
|
pdurbin |
Of course, I'm also fine with just talking to myself, obviously. :) |
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| 13:17 |
|
pdurbin |
i was just listening to http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/11/se-podcast-37/ on my bike ride in to work. paused about 43 minutes in |
| 13:17 |
|
pdurbin |
i love the Stack Exchange podcast, and its predecessor, the Stack Overflow podcast |
| 13:18 |
|
pdurbin |
I was reminded that their mission is to make the Internet better |
| 13:19 |
|
pdurbin |
I'm on board with that mission, of course |
| 13:20 |
|
pdurbin |
I'm curious what they'd think about spanworm though. I suspect they would dismiss it as "just a bunch of links" or "a conversation among a few people" |
| 13:21 |
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pdurbin |
But links are valuable. They're what the web is all about. |
| 13:21 |
|
pdurbin |
And conversation is valuable too. People reach an understanding. |
| 13:22 |
|
pdurbin |
To be clear, I'm all for Q&A sites like Stack Overflow. I'm fairly active on its parent network: http://stackexchange.com/users/10330/philip-durbin?tab=accounts |
| 13:23 |
|
pdurbin |
But there are many ways to make the Internet a better place. :) |
| 13:23 |
|
pdurbin |
... |
| 13:24 |
|
pdurbin |
In other news, I just discovered http://libreprojects.net via #unhosted |
| 13:32 |
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AcidNerd |
pdurbin: |
| 13:33 |
|
AcidNerd |
http://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.indymedia.org/?nick=indy|?#globaleditors,#globalrevnews,#globalwatch,#peoplewitness,#spanishrevolution,#greecewatch,#europeanspring |
| 13:33 |
|
AcidNerd |
there you can see what i'm messing with |
| 13:33 |
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AcidNerd |
each channels has bots |
| 13:34 |
|
AcidNerd |
scrapping social nets and rss feed to send content to the channel |
| 13:34 |
|
AcidNerd |
channels are being used to monitor what's going on on a few countries |
| 13:34 |
|
AcidNerd |
around social movements and activism |
| 13:35 |
|
AcidNerd |
bot's can scrape information from any RSS feed, in fact can be customised to watch exactly the information you are looking for |
| 13:35 |
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* pdurbin |
looks at http://kiwiirc.com |
| 13:35 |
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AcidNerd |
in fact we're using a similar bot coupled with another one |
| 13:35 |
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AcidNerd |
called babelbot on a Syrian channel, where one bot send information IN |
| 13:36 |
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AcidNerd |
the other translate it using google translate API |
| 13:36 |
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AcidNerd |
so in fact there is indeed many ways to get live content, streamlined into a communication structure |
| 13:37 |
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AcidNerd |
kiwiirc is just a chat applet, allowing people to connect from any website etc.. |
| 13:37 |
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AcidNerd |
similar to qwebirc |
| 13:38 |
|
AcidNerd |
if you stay on the list of channels, you will see bots sending in information related to the channel you are in |
| 13:38 |
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pdurbin |
very cool |
| 13:38 |
|
AcidNerd |
for example #globalwatch is watching over |
| 13:38 |
|
AcidNerd |
700+ streamers around the world |
| 13:38 |
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AcidNerd |
and each time they go live |
| 13:38 |
|
AcidNerd |
we get the link into the channel |
| 13:39 |
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pdurbin |
a friend of mine asked about web-based IRC clients recently: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2013-01-25#i_6375956 |
| 13:39 |
|
AcidNerd |
and mixers of rebroadcasting channels like occupy news network, or globalrevolution livestream channel, will use the information and rebroadcast to their audience, who and what is being live streamed in the street at X place |
| 13:40 |
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AcidNerd |
kiwiirc is one cool web-based irc client |
| 13:40 |
|
AcidNerd |
very active coders |
| 13:40 |
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AcidNerd |
bots can also be used to scrap twitter |
| 13:40 |
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* pdurbin |
drops a link: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2013-02-12#i_6442491 |
| 13:42 |
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AcidNerd |
and only deliver result based on twitter search operators |
| 13:42 |
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AcidNerd |
ex : http://search.twitter.com/search.rss?q=%23egypt+-rt+lang:en |
| 13:42 |
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AcidNerd |
that would give you twits in english about egypt |
| 13:42 |
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AcidNerd |
keyword egypt |
| 13:42 |
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AcidNerd |
then it can be refined |
| 13:45 |
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pdurbin |
AcidNerd: great stuff. i'll take a better look later. thanks |
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AcidNerd |
k |
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