| Time |
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Nick |
Message |
| 14:33 |
|
pdurbin |
"there are people who care deeply about the web they use, the works they create, the connections they make, and the humans on the other side of those connections" -- http://dashes.com/anil/2012/12/rebuilding-the-web-we-lost.html |
| 14:35 |
|
pdurbin |
I like Anil's advice to create public spaces that allow for "the play and the chaos and the creativity and brilliance that only arise in spaces that don't exist purely to generate profit" |
| 14:36 |
|
pdurbin |
that piece is a follow up to http://dashes.com/anil/2012/12/the-web-we-lost.html |
| 14:37 |
|
pdurbin |
where Anil reminds us, "In the early days of the social web, there was a broad expectation that regular people might own their own identities by having their own websites, instead of being dependent on a few big sites to host their online identity." |
| 14:37 |
|
pdurbin |
"In this vision, you would own your own domain name and have complete control over its contents, rather than having a handle tacked on to the end of a huge company's site. This was a sensible reaction to the realization that big sites rise and fall in popularity, but that regular people need an identity that persists longer than those sites do." |
| 14:42 |
|
pdurbin |
There's a comment on that post from Kevin Marks: '"We'll fix these things; I don't worry about that. The technology industry, like all industries, follows cycles, and the pendulum is swinging back to the broad, empowering philosophies that underpinned the early social web." is the bit I like about this post best. I wrote something on this last week: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-antifragility-of-web.html ' |
| 14:44 |
|
pdurbin |
There, he says, "How many times have you followed a link and got a 404 or a different page than you were expecting? Links rot. As Tim Berners-Lee says, eventually every domain becomes a porn site." |
| 14:44 |
|
pdurbin |
which struck me as odd |
| 14:45 |
|
pdurbin |
I searched a bit and couldn't find such a quote, so I asked them both about it: https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/300088136309043200 |
| 14:48 |
|
pdurbin |
Something else that struck me from http://dashes.com/anil/2012/12/the-web-we-lost.html is the following quote: |
| 14:48 |
|
pdurbin |
"A dozen years ago, when people wanted to support publishing tools that epitomized all of these traits, they'd crowd-fund the costs of the servers and technology needed to support them, even though things cost a lot more in that era before cloud computing and cheap bandwidth." |
| 14:49 |
|
pdurbin |
I'd consider spanworm a published platform. |
| 14:50 |
|
pdurbin |
Anyone can just hop in #spanworm via http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=spanworm or other means, start typing and their words appear instantly at http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/today |
| 14:51 |
|
pdurbin |
And what is the cost of this publishing platform? |
| 14:54 |
|
pdurbin |
Well, #spanworm is a channel on Freenode, which didn't cost me anything to create, though I should probably donate to Freenode or help out at some point: http://freenode.net/how_to_help.shtml |
| 14:56 |
|
pdurbin |
http://irclog.greptilian.com doesn't cost me very much to run. It's one of many domains on the same virtual machine that costs me $20 (USD) per month. |
| 14:57 |
|
pdurbin |
It was $10 to register http://spanworm.com |
| 14:58 |
|
pdurbin |
At this low cost, I really don't need to crowd-fund this publishing platform. |
| 15:00 |
|
pdurbin |
It certainly isn't fancy, but it allows for conversation: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08#i_2810 |
| 15:01 |
|
pdurbin |
connections, like Anil said |
| 15:27 |
|
pdurbin |
I just left some comments regarding data liberation of posts to Google+ Communities: https://plus.google.com/104027218792812194992/posts/2dPw5q1nWp5 |
| 15:29 |
|
pdurbin |
Posts made to Google+ Communities can be downloaded, they can be liberated, but they are part of a Google+ user's normal takeout of their Google+ stream. |
| 15:30 |
|
pdurbin |
The person who started a Google+ Community can't simply download all the posts made to the Community. |
| 15:31 |
|
pdurbin |
For this reason, I don't plan to start any Google+ Communities. |
| 15:32 |
|
pdurbin |
I'm happy to participate in them, though. It's an interesting feature of Google+. |
| 15:32 |
|
pdurbin |
I'm happy to comment on posts in Google+ communities, I mean. |
| 15:33 |
|
pdurbin |
I prefer to post to my main stream so anyone who has me in a circle can see it. |
| 17:12 |
|
pdurbin |
"I think we're about to see a wave of technically excellent software in a lot of different categories. Feels that way to me. More software like Discourse that can be hooked into everything else, and we'll be looking at a lot of new opportunity for everyone." -- http://threads2.scripting.com/2013/february/thanksToJeffAtwood |
| 21:19 |
|
pdurbin |
"Everyone should own and control their data. So when you make a web site on Branchable, we don't lock you in. You can use git to download the entire source code of your web site at any time, and move it elsewhere if you desire." -- http://www.branchable.com/about/freedom/ |
| 21:20 |
|
pdurbin |
Branchable is behind ikiwiki, which I just adore: http://ikiwiki.info |
| 21:21 |
|
pdurbin |
I use ikiwiki for my wiki: http://wiki.greptilian.com |
| 21:21 |
|
pdurbin |
Being backed by git means that it's easy for me to move it around and to always have a local copy of my wiki on any computer. |
| 21:32 |
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ironm joined #spanworm |
| 21:33 |
|
pdurbin |
ironm: welcome! |
| 21:33 |
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ironm |
pdurbin, hi. really nice entries .. http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-09 :) |
| 21:34 |
|
pdurbin |
thanks! that's day 2. here's day 1: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08 :) |
| 21:35 |
|
pdurbin |
ironm: i'd love to hear your thoughts on either day :) |
| 21:36 |
|
ironm |
sure .. I am just reading the second link |
| 21:43 |
|
pdurbin |
no hurry: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08#i_2841 :) |
| 21:45 |
|
ironm |
100% ACK... |
| 21:45 |
|
ironm |
I've pretty much reached the point where I don't want to put my content into any system that doesn't let me get it out. |
| 21:50 |
|
ironm |
stackoverflow has overloaded / terrible layout. ikiwiki is just the proper way ... "stackoverflow is an example of a system where comments are not second-class. if i comment on someone's question, the person asking the question can't just delete my comment" |
| 21:52 |
|
pdurbin |
well, i still like stackoverflow for what it is. and you can download all of your content via their API |
| 21:52 |
|
pdurbin |
they have quite a nice API, actually |
| 21:52 |
|
pdurbin |
but i haven't bother to download my data regularly because i trust them. they make regular dumps of their data, which is creative commons-licensed |
| 21:53 |
|
ironm |
from my point of view there is too much garbage on the net. |
| 21:53 |
|
ironm |
it is better to keep info in one most current status / place |
| 21:54 |
|
ironm |
and one place |
| 21:54 |
|
pdurbin |
hmm, momentum has fizzled for a stackexchange plugin for thinkup: https://github.com/ginatrapani/ThinkUp/issues/592 :( |
| 21:54 |
|
pdurbin |
well, sure, i guess. but a tool like thinkup can help you pull all your data together |
| 21:54 |
|
pdurbin |
from various places |
| 21:54 |
|
pdurbin |
with their various plugins |
| 21:55 |
|
pdurbin |
for google+, twitter, facebook, etc. |
| 21:55 |
|
pdurbin |
foursquare too, looks like: http://thinkupapp.com/docs/userguide/settings/plugins/ |
| 21:55 |
|
ironm |
well .. I am probably strange. I don't use (and don't like) google+, twitter, facebook, etc. |
| 21:56 |
|
ironm |
however I do use google search |
| 21:56 |
|
pdurbin |
i've never been a fan of facebook. too much shifting sand |
| 21:57 |
|
ironm |
so you can see how many "silly" people are worldwide ;) |
| 21:57 |
|
pdurbin |
:) |
| 21:58 |
|
pdurbin |
i'm not sure how much people love facebook |
| 21:58 |
|
pdurbin |
i think people love their friends and family |
| 22:01 |
|
ironm |
do you know psyced / psyced.ord and http://secushare.org/ ? |
| 22:02 |
|
ironm |
yes .. I agree 100% .. "<pdurbin> i think people love their friends and family" |
| 22:02 |
|
pdurbin |
no... hmm. "This is psyced, a scalable multi-protocol multi-casting chat, messaging and social server solution to build decentralized chat networks upon" -- http://www.psyced.org |
| 22:03 |
|
ironm |
yes |
| 22:03 |
|
ironm |
check the second link, please |
| 22:10 |
|
ironm |
do you have any idea how to make templates in "/usr/share/ikiwiki/templates" visible to ikiwiki ? |
| 22:13 |
|
ironm |
+<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width"> |
| 22:14 |
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pdurbin |
hmm. "Our goal is to give developers an easy to use framework that hides the complexity of decentralized message passing, a distributed social graph and naturally embeds encryption." -- http://secushare.org |
| 22:14 |
|
pdurbin |
dunno about the ikiwiki thing. sorry. best to bring it to #ikiwiki i think |
| 22:17 |
|
ironm |
thank you. ikiwiki is so silent |
| 22:18 |
|
pdurbin |
IRC has a nice slow pace :) |
| 22:19 |
|
pdurbin |
plus fits of activity :) |
| 22:20 |
|
ironm |
sometimes terribly slow *_* |
| 22:22 |
|
pdurbin |
but! freenode is on the rise: https://plus.google.com/107770072576338242009/posts/h5JM15hb9WB :) |
| 22:24 |
|
ironm |
yes. However I have the feeling that people on IRC are less active than years ago |
| 22:25 |
|
ironm |
BTW: nice picture of you :) |
| 22:26 |
|
pdurbin |
i'm late to the IRC party. everyone says things like, "i remember that from high school" |
| 22:26 |
|
pdurbin |
but i think if you add logging to IRC, it's a very compelling publishing platform |
| 22:26 |
|
ironm |
but .. don't worry .. my interest are only intelligent and sporty women ;) |
| 22:27 |
|
pdurbin |
:) |
| 22:27 |
|
pdurbin |
i mentioned the IRC logging thing here: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08#i_2767 |
| 22:27 |
|
ironm |
I think it more effective to use ML (mail lists) than IRC channels |
| 22:27 |
|
pdurbin |
maybe |
| 22:27 |
|
pdurbin |
email is great for annoucements |
| 22:27 |
|
pdurbin |
it starts to break down after too many replies |
| 22:28 |
|
pdurbin |
to me the real power is in the link |
| 22:28 |
|
pdurbin |
as long as what you're writing has a permalink, you're good |
| 22:28 |
|
ironm |
s/it /it is / |
| 22:29 |
|
ironm |
because of permalinks open data should be stored only in one (mirrored) place |
| 22:30 |
|
pdurbin |
you're gonna need a big boat. lots of open data out there :) |
| 22:30 |
|
ironm |
compare to earlier altavista serach engines results the quality of google search is rather quit low |
| 22:31 |
|
pdurbin |
true |
| 22:31 |
|
ironm |
quite |
| 22:31 |
|
pdurbin |
wait wait |
| 22:31 |
|
pdurbin |
you're saying which is better quality? |
| 22:34 |
|
ironm |
the one from altavista (in the past) |
| 22:36 |
|
ironm |
exactly I should say an "average quality" |
| 22:52 |
|
pdurbin |
ok |
| 22:53 |
|
pdurbin |
a corrollary to the permalink thing is ... Hypertext Style: Cool URIs don't change. - http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html |
| 22:53 |
|
pdurbin |
the not changing bit |
| 22:59 |
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AcidNerd joined #spanworm |
| 22:59 |
|
pdurbin |
AcidNerd: welcome! |
| 23:00 |
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AcidNerd |
hey |
| 23:00 |
|
AcidNerd |
is it easy to install ilbot ? |
| 23:01 |
|
pdurbin |
yes: https://github.com/dvn/iqirclog-vagrant |
| 23:02 |
|
pdurbin |
and if you have any trouble, mortiz is very helpful: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/ilbot/2013-02-09 |
| 23:16 |
|
pdurbin |
I don't mean to make it sounds like IRC is the solution to the data liberation and own your own words problems. |
| 23:16 |
|
pdurbin |
But for me it works quite well. |
| 23:20 |
|
pdurbin |
AcidNerd: if you have any opinions on all of this, I'm all ears |
| 23:20 |
|
ironm |
what is it for? ... ilbot |
| 23:21 |
|
ironm |
?ilbot |
| 23:21 |
|
ironm |
??ilbot |
| 23:21 |
|
ironm |
!ilbot |
| 23:21 |
|
pdurbin |
heh |
| 23:21 |
|
ironm |
there is not bot installed here ;) |
| 23:22 |
|
pdurbin |
well, i call mine philbot |
| 23:22 |
|
pdurbin |
it's an instance of ilbot: http://moritz.faui2k3.org/en/ilbot |
| 23:22 |
|
ironm |
ilbot |
| 23:23 |
|
pdurbin |
you know, unlike my other bot, i never talk to philbot. it just listens. and logs :) |
| 23:24 |
|
ironm |
most channels have a kind of answering bot. It is quite useful |
| 23:25 |
|
ironm |
however I have to say that I didn't installed one inside my channel on FreeNode (#ironm) |
| 23:54 |
|
ironm |
pdurbin, is it possible to comment out some part of .mdwn files ? (like /* ... */ |
| 23:58 |
|
pdurbin |
i think <!-- ... --> works |
