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firebird1 |
any active linux forums |
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* firebird1 |
believe in forums then IRC :) |
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Guest11175 |
lot of doubts |
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Guest11175 |
first: i have location obj it has state object, location has state obj with id ... Now its saying give persistent state obj instead of transient obj |
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Guest11175 |
sfisque, helpy |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: when you have a moment... I've reviewed the logs and http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/2014-03-28#i_65919 is where you started causing noise and drama in this channel yet again. I'd like you to find other places to work out your differences with people. Not here. |
| 11:48 |
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neuro_sys |
now I wonder about the curse mentioned |
| 11:50 |
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pdurbin |
neuro_sys: well, take it to ##curses please :) |
| 11:51 |
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pdurbin |
neuro_sys: you're the founder of the ##javaee channel. do we need a code of conduct or whatever? some rules of the road? I'm hoping we can keep the signal high and the noise low. |
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* neuro_sys |
nods |
| 11:53 |
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pdurbin |
neuro_sys: you agree? |
| 11:54 |
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neuro_sys |
well I don't believe in enforcements of any kind, me being the founder or whatsoever. I believe in the common sense of the whole lot. |
| 11:55 |
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pdurbin |
+1 for common sense |
| 11:55 |
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pdurbin |
and respect |
| 11:56 |
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pdurbin |
introducing noise and drama into this channel is disrespectful of everyone's time |
| 11:59 |
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neuro_sys |
agreed, especially if it pertains to hate speech |
| 11:59 |
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neuro_sys |
even remotely |
| 11:59 |
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neuro_sys |
but still, I also respect people's right to dispute their points no matter how conflicting they are regardless of the platform, unless it interferes with the functioning of the real purpose. |
| 12:02 |
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neuro_sys |
I'm not the authority here, if that's your feeling. I'd like every regular in the channel to be opped. |
| 12:05 |
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neuro_sys |
anyways, I'm experimenting and learning with my hobby application, and it's getting really interesting for me. Leveraging a message queue server for the first time. |
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neuro_sys |
It's running as a standalone SE JVM, and talks with the httpserver (and the websocket server) via message queues. |
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neuro_sys |
coming along pretty neater |
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neuro_sys |
so, no JEE container. |
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tjsnell |
he's evil, you can pretend in the name of warm fuzzy niceness he's not. I will not. |
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Guest33728 |
pdurbin, neuro_sys can u help me |
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Guest33728 |
Location --- > State aka M to 1 |
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Guest33728 |
now wen i store location ...giving state object with id <transient obj> |
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Guest33728 |
its not persisting |
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Guest33728 |
saying give persist state obj |
| 13:08 |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: would you please consider taking a break from this channel? leaving for a while? |
| 13:08 |
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tjsnell |
no |
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tjsnell |
you can ban if you like |
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tjsnell |
I was not rude to him |
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tjsnell |
but I will not be pretend there is niceness where there is evil |
| 13:10 |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: if I kick you, do you plan to re-join? |
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tjsnell |
of course |
| 13:11 |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: why? |
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tjsnell |
because I like folks here and I like helping when I can |
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pdurbin |
me too |
| 13:14 |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: sadly, I don't expect you to change your ways |
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tjsnell |
I've clearly stated I wouldn't, I will not pretend to be nice to someone who is evil |
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tjsnell |
in fact to do so I consider morally wrong |
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tjsnell |
so it would be weird for you to expect me to change when I've stated I wouldn't |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: how about this... I'll write up a page under http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/ laying out my argument for why I don't appreciate your behavior. And every time you exhibit the same behavior, I'll simply drop a link to that page. |
| 13:16 |
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tjsnell |
do what ever you like :) |
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pdurbin |
ok. my four year old wants me to read her a book right now. but I'll think about what I'll write |
| 13:17 |
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tjsnell |
I won't read it :) |
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tjsnell |
and reading to a 4 year old trumps all irc |
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tjsnell |
have fun |
| 13:28 |
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tjsnell |
for the record, nothing I've said here was hate speech |
| 13:34 |
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neuro_sys |
off topic, but my ambivalent thought on this is |
| 13:35 |
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neuro_sys |
pacifism to me is a better moral. if we were omniscient beings, we'd either have to commit suicide, or be a fulltime vigilante. we should not intervene unless the threat is inevitable. |
| 13:35 |
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neuro_sys |
I lied there, I even welcome hate speech from others. |
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tjsnell |
how does the pacifist stand up to those espousing murder? |
| 13:36 |
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tjsnell |
and actively promoting their agenda? |
| 13:37 |
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neuro_sys |
better engage in healthy discourse than showing emotionally induced useless opposition |
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Bombe |
Healthy discourse with a fanatic? |
| 13:39 |
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tjsnell |
I tried discourse, I didn't say anything out of line, I asked questions |
| 13:40 |
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tjsnell |
8 bans active here, one preventing the web gateway, that's pretty active enforcement |
| 13:41 |
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neuro_sys |
haha dreamreal is also banned? |
| 13:41 |
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neuro_sys |
I can easily guess by whom |
| 13:42 |
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tjsnell |
heh, I'm not sure, mshaw I can even understand, when he's drunk he's a trolling machine |
| 13:43 |
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neuro_sys |
wish there was a feature of IRC where the channel operators could issue an ignore X for everyone command. |
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neuro_sys |
anyways, it all boils down to politics, we humans can't get on well |
| 13:46 |
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tjsnell |
you mean human nature :) |
| 13:50 |
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neuro_sys |
ah yes |
| 14:02 |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: my goal is to move the "ilhami is evil and here's why" discussions out of ##javaee. What if someone created ##javaee-offtopic? Would you be willing to move the discussion there? |
| 14:02 |
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tjsnell |
I can't just pretend he's not evil |
| 14:03 |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: I'm not asking you to |
| 14:03 |
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tjsnell |
I won't hang out with evil and just let it slide |
| 14:04 |
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tjsnell |
we can ban dreamreal but can't ban ilhami? |
| 14:04 |
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pdurbin |
who is we? |
| 14:04 |
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pdurbin |
I haven't banned anyone. Or kicked anyone for that matter |
| 14:04 |
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tjsnell |
I'm speaking collectively as a channel |
| 14:05 |
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tjsnell |
there's a nice active ban list here |
| 14:05 |
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pdurbin |
can we tell who put in what ban? |
| 14:07 |
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acuzio |
Yes we can |
| 14:08 |
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pdurbin |
how? |
| 14:08 |
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acuzio |
neuro_sys should be able to do that. He is the Channel Owner |
| 14:11 |
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tjsnell |
/msg chanserv akick ##javaee list |
| 14:11 |
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acuzio |
Yeah that would work as well |
| 14:11 |
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tjsnell |
quest and sircle set them all |
| 14:12 |
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acuzio |
cheeser is banned as well , this is stupid. |
| 14:13 |
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acuzio |
tjsnell: FWIW , Quest and Sircle are the same. |
| 14:14 |
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tjsnell |
ahh |
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acuzio |
indeed |
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acuzio |
neuro_sys: FWIW - re healthy discourse - Yesterday i followed the letter and spirit of the edict laid down by sfisque , Mr.Ilhami was not happy. He reckons that when he speaks its freedom of speech while if the rest say anything - it hurts his feelings. |
| 14:18 |
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pdurbin |
acuzio: ilhami entered the channel and was on-topic: http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/2014-03-28#i_65847 |
| 14:19 |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell is the one who went off topic (about ilhami): http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/2014-03-28#i_65919 |
| 14:19 |
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pdurbin |
which is the problem... going off topic... making things personal |
| 14:19 |
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tjsnell |
that is pretty damn evil to go off topic |
| 14:19 |
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tjsnell |
ilhami is evil, that is the problem |
| 14:20 |
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tjsnell |
ignoring evil is morally wrong |
| 14:20 |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: what do you think about the ##javaee-offtopic idea? |
| 14:20 |
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tjsnell |
I will not |
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tjsnell |
I don't need another channel |
| 14:20 |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: I invite you to leave this one. One less channel :) |
| 14:20 |
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tjsnell |
nope |
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* sfisque |
sighs |
| 14:21 |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: what if we start a new channel... ##javaee-redux or something. Will you join? |
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tjsnell |
dunno |
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pdurbin |
hmm! |
| 14:21 |
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pdurbin |
now we're getting somewhere :) |
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pdurbin |
maybe a new channel could be called ##javaee-ontopic :) |
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acuzio |
pdurbin: with all due respect - all those ideas are pretty moronic. |
| 14:55 |
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pdurbin |
acuzio: trying to keep ##javaee on topic? |
| 14:56 |
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acuzio |
Keeping it on topic is fine , thats a given your ideas for trying to keep it on-topic are complete non-starters . |
| 14:57 |
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acuzio |
BTW , how was tjsnell off-topic on that comment , he was asking politely. |
| 14:58 |
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pdurbin |
acuzio: I don't like some of your behavior in this channel either. A case in point: http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/2014-03-25#i_65344 |
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acuzio |
pdurbin: That was a considered opinion to help a fellow human being |
| 15:03 |
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acuzio |
If you read further you will notice that he actually provided evidence that being a Door stop might be a stretch for him - next time i would advise him to being assistant Door Stop |
| 15:03 |
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pdurbin |
acuzio: it was a mean-spirited comment. It's not the kind of culture I want here. |
| 15:03 |
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acuzio |
It was not mean spirited , it was given with the kind of clean headed thinking that we need here |
| 15:06 |
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pdurbin |
acuzio: I guess I'll ask you the same question I asked tjsnell... have you considered leaving this channel? |
| 15:06 |
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acuzio |
YOu cannot argue that i try and be very helpful , i can point out instances where i have been helpful, informative and generally useful. However , its impossible to help people who do not want to be helped. They need a kind, gentle push in the right direction |
| 15:06 |
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acuzio |
pdurbin: have you? |
| 15:07 |
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acuzio |
May be thats the solution - would you like to leave the channel pdurbin |
| 15:09 |
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pdurbin |
I've certainly considering leaving and no logger logging this channel at http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/today |
| 15:09 |
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pdurbin |
er. "no longer logging this channel" I meant |
| 15:15 |
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pdurbin |
most of the time, I really like this channel because it's something of a "big tent" that brings together people who work with related technologies. it's sort of a sister channel to ##virtualjug, ##jsf, #glassfish, #forge, #netbeans, etc. |
| 15:15 |
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pdurbin |
acuzio: and I appreciate the insight you bring |
| 15:15 |
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pdurbin |
tjsnell: I appreciate the insight you bring as well |
| 15:16 |
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pdurbin |
but I'll speak out when this channel gets mean-spirited or off topic. |
| 15:20 |
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tjsnell |
well you'll never find me in jsf or netbeans |
| 15:21 |
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pdurbin |
exactly. those are not big tents |
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tjsnell |
and techs I'll use |
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pdurbin |
sure. we all pick various technologies |
| 15:23 |
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tjsnell |
I pick good techs :) |
| 15:24 |
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pdurbin |
:) |
| 15:25 |
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pdurbin |
we all have reasons for using the techs we do :) |
| 15:28 |
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tjsnell |
I have well thought out ones |
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* pdurbin |
says the serenity prayer ;) |
| 15:32 |
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tjsnell |
those 2 are on my list of turn down gig if they are being used |
| 15:33 |
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pdurbin |
jsf is awfully close to making that list for me |
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tjsnell |
heh |
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tjsnell |
of course of late I'm a complete angularjs fanboi :) |
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Topic for ##javaee is now Java Enterprise Edition | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_EE | logs at http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/today |
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Topic for ##javaee is now Java Enterprise Edition | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_EE | logs at http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/today |
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kinabalu |
wheee! hello all |
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tjsnell |
that's off topic |
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kinabalu |
you're off topic! |
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kinabalu |
how about that python, pretty great right? |
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ilhami |
hey |
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ilhami |
is it correct to put ones context.xml in META-INF? |
