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IRC log for #javaee, 2014-03-29

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01:20 firebird1 :'(
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02:37 SoniEx2 still waiting
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07:28 firebird1 any active linux forums
07:28 * firebird1 believe in forums then IRC :)
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09:12 Guest11175 lot of doubts
09:13 Guest11175 first: i have location obj it has state object, location has state obj with id ... Now its saying give persistent state obj instead of transient obj
09:17 Guest11175 sfisque, helpy
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11:29 pdurbin tjsnell: when you have a moment... I've reviewed the logs and http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/2014-03-28#i_65919 is where you started causing noise and drama in this channel yet again. I'd like you to find other places to work out your differences with people. Not here.
11:48 neuro_sys now I wonder about the curse mentioned
11:50 pdurbin neuro_sys: well, take it to ##curses please :)
11:51 pdurbin neuro_sys: you're the founder of the ##javaee channel. do we need a code of conduct or whatever? some rules of the road? I'm hoping we can keep the signal high and the noise low.
11:51 * neuro_sys nods
11:53 pdurbin neuro_sys: you agree?
11:54 neuro_sys well I don't believe in enforcements of any kind, me being the founder or whatsoever. I believe in the common sense of the whole lot.
11:55 pdurbin +1 for common sense
11:55 pdurbin and respect
11:56 pdurbin introducing noise and drama into this channel is disrespectful of everyone's time
11:59 neuro_sys agreed, especially if it pertains to hate speech
11:59 neuro_sys even remotely
11:59 neuro_sys but still, I also respect people's right to dispute their points no matter how conflicting they are regardless of the platform, unless it interferes with the functioning of the real purpose.
12:02 neuro_sys I'm not the authority here, if that's your feeling. I'd like every regular in the channel to be opped.
12:05 neuro_sys anyways, I'm experimenting and learning with my hobby application, and it's getting really interesting for me. Leveraging a message queue server for the first time.
12:06 neuro_sys It's running as a standalone SE JVM, and talks with the httpserver (and the websocket server) via message queues.
12:07 neuro_sys coming along pretty neater
12:07 neuro_sys so, no JEE container.
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12:37 tjsnell he's evil, you can pretend in the name of warm fuzzy niceness he's not. I will not.
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12:52 Guest33728 pdurbin, neuro_sys can u help me
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13:03 Guest33728 Location --- > State aka M to 1
13:04 Guest33728 now wen i store location ...giving state object with id <transient obj>
13:04 Guest33728 its not persisting
13:04 Guest33728 saying give persist state obj
13:08 pdurbin tjsnell: would you please consider taking a break from this channel? leaving for a while?
13:08 tjsnell no
13:08 tjsnell you can ban if you like
13:08 tjsnell I was not rude to him
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13:09 tjsnell but I will not be pretend there is niceness where there is evil
13:10 pdurbin tjsnell: if I kick you, do you plan to re-join?
13:10 tjsnell of course
13:11 pdurbin tjsnell: why?
13:11 tjsnell because I like folks here and I like helping when I can
13:11 pdurbin me too
13:14 pdurbin tjsnell: sadly, I don't expect you to change your ways
13:14 tjsnell I've clearly stated I wouldn't, I will not pretend to be nice to someone who is evil
13:14 tjsnell in fact to do so I consider morally wrong
13:14 tjsnell so it would be weird for you to expect me to change when I've stated I wouldn't
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13:16 pdurbin tjsnell: how about this... I'll write up a page under http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/ laying out my argument for why I don't appreciate your behavior. And every time you exhibit the same behavior, I'll simply drop a link to that page.
13:16 tjsnell do what ever you like :)
13:16 pdurbin ok. my four year old wants me to read her a book right now. but I'll think about what I'll write
13:17 tjsnell I won't read it :)
13:17 tjsnell and reading to a 4 year old trumps all irc
13:17 tjsnell have fun
13:28 tjsnell for the record, nothing I've said here was hate speech
13:34 neuro_sys off topic, but my ambivalent thought on this is
13:35 neuro_sys pacifism to me is a better moral. if we were omniscient beings, we'd either have to commit suicide, or be a fulltime vigilante. we should not intervene unless the threat is inevitable.
13:35 neuro_sys I lied there, I even welcome hate speech from others.
13:35 tjsnell how does the pacifist stand up to those espousing murder?
13:36 tjsnell and actively promoting their agenda?
13:37 neuro_sys better engage in healthy discourse than showing emotionally induced useless opposition
13:38 Bombe Healthy discourse with a fanatic?
13:39 tjsnell I tried discourse, I didn't say anything out of line, I asked questions
13:40 tjsnell 8 bans active here, one preventing the web gateway, that's pretty active enforcement
13:41 neuro_sys haha dreamreal is also banned?
13:41 neuro_sys I can easily guess by whom
13:42 tjsnell heh, I'm not sure, mshaw I can even understand, when he's drunk he's a trolling machine
13:43 neuro_sys wish there was a feature of IRC where the channel operators could issue an ignore X for everyone command.
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13:43 neuro_sys anyways, it all boils down to politics, we humans can't get on well
13:46 tjsnell you mean human nature :)
13:50 neuro_sys ah yes
14:02 pdurbin tjsnell: my goal is to move the "ilhami is evil and here's why" discussions out of ##javaee. What if someone created ##javaee-offtopic? Would you be willing to move the discussion there?
14:02 tjsnell I can't just pretend he's not evil
14:03 pdurbin tjsnell: I'm not asking you to
14:03 tjsnell I won't hang out with evil and just let it slide
14:04 tjsnell we can ban dreamreal but can't ban ilhami?
14:04 pdurbin who is we?
14:04 pdurbin I haven't banned anyone. Or kicked anyone for that matter
14:04 tjsnell I'm speaking collectively as a channel
14:05 tjsnell there's a nice active ban list here
14:05 pdurbin can we tell who put in what ban?
14:07 acuzio Yes we can
14:08 pdurbin how?
14:08 acuzio neuro_sys should be able to do that. He is the Channel Owner
14:11 tjsnell /msg chanserv akick ##javaee list
14:11 acuzio Yeah that would work as well
14:11 tjsnell quest and sircle set them all
14:12 acuzio cheeser is banned as well , this is stupid.
14:13 acuzio tjsnell: FWIW , Quest and Sircle are the same.
14:14 tjsnell ahh
14:14 acuzio indeed
14:16 acuzio neuro_sys: FWIW - re healthy discourse - Yesterday i followed the letter and spirit of the edict laid down by sfisque , Mr.Ilhami was not happy. He reckons that when he speaks its freedom of speech while if the rest say anything - it hurts his feelings.
14:18 pdurbin acuzio: ilhami entered the channel and was on-topic: http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/2014-03-28#i_65847
14:19 pdurbin tjsnell is the one who went off topic (about ilhami): http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/2014-03-28#i_65919
14:19 pdurbin which is the problem... going off topic... making things personal
14:19 tjsnell that is pretty damn evil to go off topic
14:19 tjsnell ilhami is evil, that is the problem
14:20 tjsnell ignoring evil is morally wrong
14:20 pdurbin tjsnell: what do you think about the ##javaee-offtopic idea?
14:20 tjsnell I will not
14:20 tjsnell I don't need another channel
14:20 pdurbin tjsnell: I invite you to leave this one. One less channel :)
14:20 tjsnell nope
14:21 * sfisque sighs
14:21 pdurbin tjsnell: what if we start a new channel... ##javaee-redux or something. Will you join?
14:21 tjsnell dunno
14:21 pdurbin hmm!
14:21 pdurbin now we're getting somewhere :)
14:35 pdurbin maybe a new channel could be called ##javaee-ontopic :)
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14:53 acuzio pdurbin: with all due respect - all those ideas are pretty moronic.
14:55 pdurbin acuzio: trying to keep ##javaee on topic?
14:56 acuzio Keeping it on topic is fine , thats a given your ideas for trying to keep it on-topic are complete non-starters .
14:57 acuzio BTW , how was tjsnell off-topic on that comment , he was asking politely.
14:58 pdurbin acuzio: I don't like some of your behavior in this channel either. A case in point: http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/2014-03-25#i_65344
15:02 acuzio pdurbin: That was a considered opinion to help a fellow human being
15:03 acuzio If you read further you will notice that he actually provided evidence that being a Door stop might be a stretch for him - next time i would advise him to being assistant Door Stop
15:03 pdurbin acuzio: it was a mean-spirited comment. It's not the kind of culture I want here.
15:03 acuzio It was not mean spirited , it was given with the kind of clean headed thinking that we need here
15:06 pdurbin acuzio: I guess I'll ask you the same question I asked tjsnell... have you considered leaving this channel?
15:06 acuzio YOu cannot argue that i try and be very helpful , i can point out instances where i have been helpful, informative and generally useful. However , its impossible to help people who do not want to be helped.  They need a kind, gentle push in the right direction
15:06 acuzio pdurbin: have you?
15:07 acuzio May be thats the solution - would you like to leave the channel pdurbin
15:09 pdurbin I've certainly considering leaving and no logger logging this channel at http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/today
15:09 pdurbin er. "no longer logging this channel" I meant
15:15 pdurbin most of the time, I really like this channel because it's something of a "big tent" that brings together people who work with related technologies. it's sort of a sister channel to ##virtualjug, ##jsf, #glassfish, #forge, #netbeans, etc.
15:15 pdurbin acuzio: and I appreciate the insight you bring
15:15 pdurbin tjsnell: I appreciate the insight you bring as well
15:16 pdurbin but I'll speak out when this channel gets mean-spirited or off topic.
15:20 tjsnell well you'll never find me in jsf or netbeans
15:21 pdurbin exactly. those are not big tents
15:21 tjsnell and techs I'll use
15:22 pdurbin sure. we all pick various technologies
15:23 tjsnell I pick good techs :)
15:24 pdurbin :)
15:25 pdurbin we all have reasons for using the techs we do :)
15:28 tjsnell I have well thought out ones
15:30 * pdurbin says the serenity prayer ;)
15:32 tjsnell those 2 are on my list of turn down gig if they are being used
15:33 pdurbin jsf is awfully close to making that list for me
15:35 tjsnell heh
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15:45 tjsnell of course of late I'm a complete angularjs fanboi :)
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17:17 Topic for ##javaee is now Java Enterprise Edition | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_EE | logs at http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/today
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17:19 Topic for ##javaee is now Java Enterprise Edition | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_EE | logs at http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/today
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17:25 kinabalu wheee!  hello all
17:27 tjsnell that's off topic
17:28 kinabalu you're off topic!
17:28 kinabalu how about that python, pretty great right?
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23:37 ilhami hey
23:37 ilhami is it correct to put ones context.xml in META-INF?

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