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xll11 |
Hello! |
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xll11 |
A question regarding to inheritance, says I have superclass A that has a constructor of that type -> public A(int x) { ... }, when I'll have a class that inherits from it, B extends A for example, I must, in B constructor to run the A constructor first? |
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sfisque |
depends xll11 |
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sfisque |
if A has a "default constructor" then you don't HAVE to call the complex constructor. if there is no default constructor, then you have to call the complex one. |
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xll11 |
once I have an abstract method in a class, I can not instaniate it, right? |
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Naros |
Abstract classes can't be instantiated, correect. |
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sfisque |
not directly |
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sfisque |
only via subclass or proxy |
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neuro_sys |
win 36 |
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sfisque |
releases sometime in 2163? |
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babaj |
hey |
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buharin |
someone knows ejb? |
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cedric_ |
Hi ! can some one tell me why, with the JavaEE hello1 Tutorial, when i enter my name with an accent (é), It failed to print it correctly on the reponse page ? |
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sfisque |
encoding mismatch? |
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cedric_ |
yes, sfisque. But i've put an UTF-8 meta on both pages, and it changes anything :( |
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sfisque |
don't forget that the data is also being processed by java. anytime during the round trip, are you forcing the data to be ASCII or something other than UTF-xx |
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sfisque |
either implicitly or explicitly |
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cedric_ |
Yes, i don't forget it, that's why i'm here :) |
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sfisque |
are you persisting the data into a database during the round trip?: |
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cedric_ |
How could i correct this ? The Hello1 example only contains an single Hello class (A Named and Requestscoped Bean) |
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cedric_ |
No, no persistance at all ... ! |
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sfisque |
ok |
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buharin |
cedric_, cuz jee is only for white people |
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sfisque |
lmao |
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sfisque |
and english speaking ones at that! |
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* buharin |
:D |
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xll11 |
what I meant is, that once I have a regular class, without the abstract signature |
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xll11 |
the minute I put an abstract signature on a method |
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xll11 |
it implicitly says that the class is now abstract too? |
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sfisque |
yes |
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sfisque |
how could you have a class that isn't abstract but contains an abstract method? |
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xll11 |
no idea, my world views of java have been rattled |
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xll11 |
I have an exam tommorow |
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xll11 |
and he gives many trick questions |
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xll11 |
regarding polymorphism and inheritance |
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xll11 |
I doubt everything i know |
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sfisque |
trick questions are counter productive to education |
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sfisque |
imo |
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xll11 |
Interesting, elaborate? |
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xll11 |
(When you mention it, I feel so too) |
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sfisque |
if you are supposed to be educating someone, teaching them, helping them understand, trying to trick them seems disingenuous |
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xll11 |
I second that. |
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xll11 |
well, I don't know if I can render those questions trick questoins or just questions that looks tricky since polymorphism and inheritance has some confusion about it |
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xll11 |
On an unrelated note - sfisque, you work in the field as a developer? |
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xll11 |
or used to? |
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sfisque |
currently. sr enterprise java engineer atm |
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xll11 |
I'm currently a student, but what its generally expected from a junior software engineer? |
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xll11 |
what level of knowledge? |
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xll11 |
I don't want to start applying and making a fool outj of myself |
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sfisque |
to be honest. i'd expect a junior to understand java fairly well. understand the difference between a stateful and stateless session bean. know about EE interceptors. understand what kind of logic goes in an entity versus a controller versus a session bean |
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xll11 |
That's pretty helpful |
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xll11 |
thanks! |
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xll11 |
I know squat about beans and the other stuff you just stated |
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xll11 |
I guess I need to step my game up :p |
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xll11 |
any recommendation on how to become a 'desired' junior? :p |
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sfisque |
that's a hard question for me to answer. i kind of stumbled into my career ( i started out as a lan administrator for a bunch of designers on high end macintoshes back in early 90's) and the company had a project that fell apart and i scooped the ball up and ran it to the endzone, so to speak |
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sfisque |
i would recommend being a hobbyest. make something, no matter how bizarre or useless, just to show that you're interested in the language/platform/industry. |
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Naros |
sfisque: its quite funny how much of what you said can be translated to game development too :P |
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Naros |
Just in the C/C++ world its just different words to describe similar constructs |
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Naros |
xll11: Some companies do hire new programmers right out of college and pair them up with senior programmers and architects |
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Naros |
Those companies are not easy to find but they do exist. Much like sfisque, the one I am presently training started as a QA tester and expressed interest in the internals of what they're testing. |
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sfisque |
QA is a good way to move into dev. if you can show enough skill to convert from being black-box to white-box, that can easily springboard to moving to being a developer |
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pdurbin |
I recenty moved from a "sysadmin who codes" kind of job to a full time Java job. It's been really fun so far. :) |
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pdurbin |
lots to learn about Java but there are plenty of resources out there |
