| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:11 |
|
prologic |
Anyone see in the news that the AU govn has passed an anti-encryption law today? |
| 00:12 |
|
prologic |
Basically giving government agencies the power to force "technical assistance" and the creation of backdoors into systems to circumvent transport and data encryption |
| 00:14 |
|
pdurbin |
What kind of systems? Not open source software, right? |
| 00:20 |
|
prologic |
All systems |
| 00:20 |
|
prologic |
So far from what I've read |
| 00:20 |
|
prologic |
If you are asked by a government agency (typically the Police, Australian Federal Police or Home Affirs) to provide "Technical Assistance" then you have to do so. |
| 00:21 |
|
prologic |
Most of us here believe this effectively means we either have to hand over keys and passwords or build backdoor into the software we write to circumvent any transport/data encryption being used |
| 00:22 |
|
pdurbin |
An open source project can't just close the pull request with "thank, but we don't want backdoors"? |
| 00:45 |
|
prologic |
I believe there is enough evidence to suggest that if you responded like that you would go to jail |
| 01:22 |
|
pdurbin |
Even if you don't live in Australia? |
| 03:07 |
|
prologic |
correct |
| 03:07 |
|
prologic |
It also looks like the law may also apply to large tech companies like Google, Apple, Facbook, etc |
| 03:08 |
|
prologic |
Where its believe such companies will be heavily fined until they comply |
| 14:17 |
|
prologic |
https://tox.chat/index.html |
| 22:32 |
|
aditsu |
if you're not in Australia, Australian laws obviously have no effect, and their police have no authority |
| 22:33 |
|
aditsu |
the right response would be for all major companies to stop doing business in Australia, shut down all their services over there |
| 22:34 |
|
aditsu |
then if the users care enough, they'll burn the politicians at the stake :p |
| 22:36 |
|
aditsu |
prologic: interesting I haven't heard of tox |
| 22:36 |
|
aditsu |
wikipedia says "The initial commit to GitHub was pushed on June 23, 2013, by a user named irungentoo." ^__^ |
| 23:03 |
|
prologic |
yeah I haven't either |
| 23:03 |
|
prologic |
lemme know when you have it set-up and we'll swap Tox IDs |
| 23:03 |
|
prologic |
I have noticed a few things though (mostly just part of the design); |
| 23:03 |
|
prologic |
[09:01:06] <prologic>a) When your switch away from the Antitode iOS app you effectively go offline |
| 23:03 |
|
prologic |
[09:01:29] <prologic>b) There is therefore (becuase of a) no way to receive messages or get notifications of somsone trying to reach you otherwise |
| 23:03 |
|
prologic |
[09:01:51] <prologic>This all makes sense however -- part of the decentralized p2p design -- so there is no Push Notifgications or APN / etc |
| 23:03 |
|
prologic |
[09:02:14] <prologic>c) Connecting to the "p2p network" is a bit slow I've noticed -- maybe all the bootstrap nodes are in EU? I'm in AU |
| 23:24 |
|
aditsu |
I'd like to understand how it works first, i.e. the structure of the network and how messages are routed |
| 23:24 |
|
aditsu |
prologic: are you saying it doesn't support offline messages? |
| 23:52 |
|
aditsu |
https://wiki.tox.chat/users/faq : "Support for multiple devices is planned." "Offline messages are planned." |
