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IRC log for #sourcefu, 2014-04-04

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01:11 Topic for #sourcefu is now http://sourcefu.com | logs at http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/today
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01:31 Topic for #sourcefu is now http://sourcefu.com | logs at http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/today
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06:06 sivoais MS has made their compiler for C# open source (Apache 2.0) <https://roslyn.codeplex.com/>
06:06 sivoais and a bunch of .NET
06:10 sivoais some discussion at HN <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7524082>
10:13 pdurbin sivoais: interesting. I just added a comment to https://plus.google.com/+PhilipDurbin/posts/XuGaoFRtxPk
10:13 pdurbin I wonder if this is new/related: http://vagrantbox.msopentech.com
10:14 pdurbin via http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2014-04-03#i_8538936
10:50 aditsu pdurbin: hey, it looks like you and your bot(s) are not present in my channel anymore, what about the logging?
10:54 pdurbin aditsu: excellent question. I was wondering when someone would notice. I was staring at my list of channels last night and I guess I had Spring Cleaning on the brain... so far I haven't been getting a ton of value out of ##friendlyjava (apart from our initial chats over the weekend)
10:54 pdurbin so I don't know... I'm conflicted about it
10:57 pdurbin aditsu: sorry, gotta feed the kids breakfast etc. I'd love to talk more about it over the weekend or whenever
10:57 aditsu pdurbin: well, not sure what "ton of value" you were expecting, anyway, should I remove the notice about logging then?
11:00 aditsu anyway, thanks for bringing some people in
11:00 aditsu I've been busy these days so couldn't chat much
11:13 pdurbin aditsu: yeah, I'm super busy too. If you want, I can send the bots back in. We could consider it an overnight outage. :) ... and figure out the future of the channel later... I don't mean to flake out on you... and you're right that the /topic should be accurate.
11:15 aditsu pdurbin: honestly I care more about you being there than the bots, but it's up to you of course
11:30 pdurbin aditsu: aw. :) ... and for my part my thought is "well, aditsu is in #sourcefu so I'll just talk to him there so some other folks I know and like can see it as well"
11:31 pdurbin anyway, spring cleaning. I'm tellin' ya... that's what's on my mind :)
11:31 * pdurbin bikes to work
11:32 aditsu s'ok :) later then
22:26 pdurbin aditsu: have you ever used http://www.hsqldb.org ?
22:30 pdurbin semiosis: ah, you're an HSQLDB guy, apparently: http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/2013-11-08#i_40084
22:32 aditsu pdurbin: no, but I played a bit with its replacement (H2)
22:33 pdurbin huh. replacement
22:33 pdurbin searchbot: lucky h2 database
22:33 searchbot pdurbin: http://www.h2database.com/
22:37 pdurbin aditsu: do you agree with "Every deveroper should be running some in memory database like HSQLDB as part of the project for development and testing then move the a full size database for unit testing, staging and production." -- http://java.dzone.com/articles/kiss-mysql-goodbye-development\
22:38 aditsu deveroper? :)
22:38 pdurbin heh
22:38 pdurbin [sic]
22:38 pdurbin via http://www.hsqldb.org/web/usagelinks.html
22:38 aditsu anyway, I don't agree
22:38 pdurbin so I should just stick with postgres in dev?
22:39 pdurbin and what about customers evaluating your software?
22:39 pdurbin http://www.jtrac.info/doc/html/installation.html ... "Once you have Java you can start using JTrac right away because you do not need to configure a web-application server or a database. JTrac embeds both of these (Jetty and HSQLDB) to make it easy for you to evaluate JTrac."
22:40 aditsu if the software is designed and tested to work with multiple database servers, then it's fine
22:40 aditsu but you can't just randomly take an application that uses pg and simply put it on H2 or HSQL
22:41 pdurbin well, sure
22:41 pdurbin I'm talking about a rewrite
22:41 pdurbin http://thedata.org/blog/major-dataverse-release-coming-spring-2014
22:43 aditsu if the application should work with both databases, then use both in development
22:44 pdurbin yeah

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