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| 00:18 |
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pdurbin |
'A "definition" is usually relatively short, measured by a few sentences. |
| 00:18 |
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pdurbin |
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg12973.html |
| 00:18 |
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pdurbin |
good point |
| 00:20 |
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whartung |
Well whatever the "concise definition of REST" is, the "industry" appears to have it wrong. |
| 00:22 |
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mamund |
the definition will need to treat REST as a style, not a spec. it will look close to the definitions of impressionism, swedish modern, etc. |
| 00:22 |
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whartung |
sounds fruitful |
| 00:22 |
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whartung |
just reminds me |
| 00:23 |
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whartung |
"the specification is specific, the language English, in which it is written, is not. |
| 00:28 |
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pdurbin |
whartung: that's awesome |
| 00:29 |
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pdurbin |
whartung: oh hey, some progress: Philip Durbin on Twitter: "And now, with the new pluggable auth model @michbarsinai and I came up with... getting shibboleth login working!" - https://twitter.com/philipdurbin/status/510571782261465088 |
| 00:31 |
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whartung |
nice! |
| 00:31 |
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whartung |
it's only been, what, a year? |
| 00:31 |
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pdurbin |
quiet you |
| 00:32 |
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pdurbin |
keep getting pulled off to other projects |
| 00:33 |
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pdurbin |
and in our new code base, we're able to make auth pluggable more easilyl |
| 00:33 |
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whartung |
cool |
| 00:33 |
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whartung |
gotta run, ttyl |
| 00:34 |
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pdurbin |
o/ |
| 00:47 |
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mamund |
just added the |
| 00:47 |
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mamund |
just added the REST Definition topic as a 5in5 for RESTFest https://github.com/RESTFest/2014-Greenville/wiki/Mike-Amundsen#rest |
| 01:00 |
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pdurbin |
mamund: good stuff |
| 01:05 |
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mamund |
will be interesting to see if anything comes out of that short session. |
| 01:05 |
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mamund |
i think we could write a one or two para definition that would be useful (even if everyone in the world won't like all of it ;) |
| 01:05 |
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mamund |
pdurbin: you at RESTFEet this year? |
| 01:06 |
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pdurbin |
nope. javaone in a couple weeks. giving a talk |
| 01:06 |
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mamund |
ahh, right |
| 01:06 |
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mamund |
thx for the RT, btw ;) |
| 01:07 |
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pdurbin |
it was a fav but sure :) |
| 01:07 |
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pdurbin |
looking forward to your definition |
| 01:07 |
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mamund |
;) me, too! |
| 01:07 |
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pdurbin |
heh |
| 01:11 |
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mamund |
pdurbin: was just wracking my brain trying to remember what i recently shared from your greptillian.com domain.... |
| 01:11 |
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mamund |
can't put my finger on it. |
| 01:12 |
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pdurbin |
hmm! |
| 01:13 |
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pdurbin |
logs for this channel maybe :) |
| 01:13 |
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mamund |
ROFL! that might be it! |
| 01:13 |
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mamund |
sheesh |
| 01:13 |
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mamund |
it's a name that sticks w/ ya -- great job |
| 01:13 |
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pdurbin |
it's supposed to scream unix |
| 01:15 |
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mamund |
screams lizard to me;) |
| 01:15 |
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pdurbin |
that too |
| 01:16 |
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mamund |
unix lizard -- yeah, that works. |
| 02:39 |
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* talios |
idles |
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talios |
allo |
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singh_abhinav |
I'm new to restful web services ...any pointers on books/ blogs/ videos to start with |
| 06:14 |
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tmoore |
singh_abhinav: http://restfulwebapis.com/ |
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| 15:07 |
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graste |
when I have an http accept or content-type header having a value like "application/foo+json;bar=baz" |
| 15:07 |
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graste |
what are the parts called and how would I call the whole specific media type string (including the parameters) |
| 15:07 |
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graste |
type/subtype+format;parameters? |
| 15:07 |
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graste |
what's the name for the whole string then? |
| 15:09 |
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graste |
application/atom+xml;type=entry ,charset=UTF-8 |
| 15:09 |
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graste |
application/hal+json;profile=foo |
| 15:10 |
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mamund |
graste: there are a handful of RFCs on this. |
| 15:11 |
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mamund |
basically, IIRC, you have type/subtype;paramters |
| 15:11 |
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graste |
yeah, but under registry are only the parts and not a name for "the whole specific string" |
| 15:11 |
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mamund |
http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types.xhtml |
| 15:11 |
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graste |
click |
| 15:12 |
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graste |
yes, been there |
| 15:12 |
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mamund |
"the whole specific string" -- you mean the "media type"? |
| 15:13 |
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graste |
yes, my question is a "naming things" question |
| 15:13 |
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mamund |
i see, well, i see "media type" and "MIME media type" all over these RFCs and the page we shared. |
| 15:14 |
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mamund |
i've said "media type identifier" in the past, too. |
| 15:14 |
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graste |
I could say "application/atom+xml" is atom media type and "application/atom+xml;type=entry" is a specific media type itself |
| 15:14 |
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mamund |
wait, you want two names now? |
| 15:14 |
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graste |
so a combination of type, subtype, format? and parameters is "one specific thing" |
| 15:14 |
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mamund |
LOL - it's a media type. |
| 15:15 |
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mamund |
why do you want two names? |
| 15:15 |
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graste |
:\ |
| 15:15 |
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mamund |
i am missing something |
| 15:15 |
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graste |
because it is two things for me when I want to render it |
| 15:15 |
|
graste |
depending on format, parameters etc |
| 15:15 |
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mamund |
hmmmm..... |
| 15:15 |
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graste |
even though it may be all "atom media type" |
| 15:15 |
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mamund |
so you want to separate ones that have params from ones that don't? |
| 15:16 |
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mamund |
in your names, i mean |
| 15:16 |
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graste |
for example |
| 15:16 |
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graste |
yes |
| 15:16 |
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mamund |
well "parameterized media type"? |
| 15:16 |
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graste |
as rendering hal as json and utf8 may be something different from hal as xml with profile foo and utf-16 |
| 15:17 |
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mamund |
well, "different" is what i am curious about. |
| 15:17 |
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graste |
does the "+json" have a name? |
| 15:17 |
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mamund |
different in the bits on the wire, right? -- the representation |
| 15:17 |
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mamund |
no, that's just a convention. |
| 15:17 |
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graste |
yes, I'm talking representation |
| 15:17 |
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mamund |
well, the XML peeps might have called that +thing something... |
| 15:17 |
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* mamund |
grabs the xML spec |
| 15:17 |
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graste |
:D |
| 15:18 |
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mamund |
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3023#section-7 |
| 15:18 |
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mamund |
"suffix" |
| 15:18 |
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_ollie |
Just twenty lines into the conversation and we're at XML already… some countries would consider this rude behavior… |
| 15:19 |
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graste |
col |
| 15:19 |
|
graste |
suffix, thanks |
| 15:19 |
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mamund |
hey, i go where the trail leads me! |
| 15:19 |
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graste |
cool |
| 15:19 |
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mamund |
that's just something the XML peeps made up |
| 15:19 |
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daxim__ |
RFC 6839 |
| 15:19 |
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mamund |
IIRC, it kinda annoys some in the media type space ;) |
| 15:19 |
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graste |
I just need a name for that part as I may need to parse that or whatever |
| 15:19 |
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daxim__ |
IT'S GROWING |
| 15:19 |
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mamund |
Crockford has said he _hates_ that thing and didn' |
| 15:20 |
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mamund |
want to see it get popular w/ JSON types |
| 15:20 |
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daxim__ |
"structured syntax suffix" |
| 15:20 |
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mamund |
you know how that worked out ;) |
| 15:20 |
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graste |
thx for the hint at http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6839 |
| 15:20 |
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mamund |
"Although the use of a suffix was not considered as part of the original MIME architecture, this choice is considered to provide the most functionality with the least potential for interoperability problems or lack of future extensibility. " |
| 15:21 |
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mamund |
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3023#appendix-A |
| 15:21 |
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graste |
:> |
| 15:21 |
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mamund |
hvae fun! |
| 15:21 |
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graste |
good pointers all around - googling that stuff just doesn't work that good ^^ |
| 15:22 |
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graste |
I was just wondering about the naming things stuff as a php lib I had a look at names the media type variants just "format" and does not take parameters into account |
| 15:22 |
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graste |
https://github.com/willdurand/Negotiation/issues/30 |
| 15:23 |
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mamund |
graste: it helps to know where the skeletons are buried ;) |
| 15:23 |
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graste |
and I was wondering if I understood the whole thing wrong |
| 15:23 |
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graste |
hehe :> |
| 15:24 |
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graste |
in that issue I made an example of parameter usage for streaming vs. non-streaming content for odata |
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