| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 14:42 |
|
pdurbin |
Does anyone here remember me writing about spam at http://crimsonfu.github.io/2012/02/06/crimsonfu-freenode-irc-channel-setup.html or doesn't anyone want to discuss IRC spam? |
| 18:51 |
|
bear |
I know the indieweb folks on freenode (and a lot of freenode channels) all had to deal with a sudden surge of irc spam |
| 18:51 |
|
bear |
they ended up making the bots more aggressive in silencing new nicks IIRC |
| 19:55 |
|
pdurbin |
bear: thanks! Or is it that the bot (Loqi) is quick of voice well known nicks? Or perhaps nicks that join and don't spam right away? 18 seconds after I just joined, I was voiced by the bot. |
| 20:06 |
|
pdurbin |
"Anyone who has added themselves to the chat-names list will be automatically given "voice" (+v) in the IndieWeb channels by Loqi as a way to indicate that you have access and are listed in the wiki." https://indieweb.org/IRC#Voice |
| 20:09 |
|
pdurbin |
And a while back I put myself on the chat-names list so I assume that's why I'm voiced. |
| 20:18 |
|
bear |
it's more than just voice on some of the other channels - I think it monitor's other factors |
| 20:19 |
|
pdurbin |
other channels like #indieweb-dev or #indieweb-meta or whatever? |
| 20:31 |
|
pdurbin |
bear: I just found another detail: "When someone joins a channel, Loqi sets a timer for 30 seconds. If they are still in the channel after 30 seconds, they are automatically given +v" https://indieweb.org/IRC#Red_Alert_Mode |
| 21:37 |
|
pdurbin |
"Red alert" is right. All the spam this month is shaking my faith in IRC. |
| 21:38 |
|
pdurbin |
I just re-read http://crimsonfu.github.io/2012/02/06/crimsonfu-freenode-irc-channel-setup.html myself and there are a couple lines I laughed at out loud. |
| 21:39 |
|
pdurbin |
"usually spam isn't much of a problem on freenode" |
| 21:42 |
|
pdurbin |
"My advice is to deal with spam if and when it appears." |
| 21:43 |
|
pdurbin |
I was writing and reading all this when I was very new to IRC, a little over 6 years ago. I've had to deal with a tiny bit of spam here and there, but it hasn't taken much time. |
| 21:44 |
|
pdurbin |
Since I log a few channels with philbot, I had to jump into the MySQL database and run a DELETE here and there. No big deal. |
| 21:45 |
|
pdurbin |
But now the experience of freenode is changing. |
| 21:45 |
|
pdurbin |
A few channels that I used to join don't let me in anymore: "Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services" |
| 21:46 |
|
pdurbin |
In other channels, I can't talk: "Cannot send to nick/channel" |
| 21:48 |
|
pdurbin |
I know that if I identify with NickServ that these problems will go away but then I'm out of step with new and casual users of IRC. I have very little interest in explaining all of this to anyone. It brings the complexity level way up. The opposite of "Don't Make Me Think". |
| 21:49 |
|
pdurbin |
So if this is the new normal, registration and identificaion is now required, I may need start looking more seriously at alternatives. |
| 21:50 |
|
bear |
yea, the solution of NickServ registration is normally how this is solved but that also closes the door to very casual users |
| 21:52 |
|
pdurbin |
Right. I set up a channel here on freenode for the software I work on for my day job and most of the users are very casual IRC users. |
| 21:52 |
|
pdurbin |
So I might have to close the channel if the spam takes over. |
| 21:57 |
|
pdurbin |
Hopefully this is not the new normal. Hopefully, the spam will pass. The channels that I can't join will reopen. The channels were I can't talk will allow me to talk. I hope this isn't a pipe dream. |
| 21:57 |
|
bear |
i've seen these spam waves come and go |
| 21:58 |
|
bear |
they mostly last a few months and then they fade away |
| 21:58 |
|
pdurbin |
That's good to hear. |
| 22:05 |
|
pdurbin |
I guess time will tell if the channels that added +r eventually drop it. And if the ones who now quiet all non-registered users start letting them talk. First we have to wait for the spam to pass, I guess. This is definitely the worst spam I've seen since I got into IRC a little over 6 years ago. |
