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pdurbin |
"the first release candidate build of JDK 8" -- Update on JDK 8 builds and release candidate status - http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk8-dev/2014-February/003990.html |
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whartung |
I can hardly wait for JDL 8 |
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whartung |
JDK 8 |
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pdurbin |
whartung: calm yourself |
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whartung |
no |
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pdurbin |
whartung: get down from there |
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whartung |
whats in it for me? |
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pdurbin |
lambdas |
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pdurbin |
'"Reading code is more important than writing code" is probably the greatest guiding principle behind Java.' -- https://plus.google.com/+JustinLee1/posts/jYuKE7GFWuW |
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whartung |
you mean forgetting what the perl you wrote 6 mos ago is a bad thing? |
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pdurbin |
whartung: that may or may not have happened to me today |
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firebird1 |
why clients change there location |
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firebird1 |
that dude has changed job... I feel like dropping this project and start with someother thing :'( |
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firebird1 |
changes place* |
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firebird1 |
changed place* |
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fabioportieri |
o/ |
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neuro_sys |
\o |
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AlexCzar |
o/ |
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neuro_sys |
\o |
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fabioportieri |
\o/ |
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sajjadg |
:-/ |
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fabioportieri |
wonderful, accidentally drop a table in db :| |
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sajjadg |
now recycle bin looks smart :P |
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fabioportieri |
ahah indeed |
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sajjadg |
and backup of course |
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fabioportieri |
fucking wizard of mssql studio for creating tables doesn't work |
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sajjadg |
fabioportieri: do you mean mysql workbench? |
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sajjadg |
workbench is so buggy but very helpful and easy |
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fabioportieri |
no mssql |
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fabioportieri |
microsoft sql server |
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sajjadg |
really? M$ products? your on your own :P call tech support :P |
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fabioportieri |
it's a fucking pile of shit |
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sajjadg |
yeah. escape from it asap |
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fabioportieri |
how the fuck is possible to have a wizard generates an invalid code, did the developers tested it or what |
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sajjadg |
fabioportieri: they let you test it for them ;) it's cheaper :P |
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acuzio |
fabioportieri: hmm - MS products might be shit - but their wizards usually work |
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fabioportieri |
acuzio: i don't know if some weird setting on the db, but my drop and create wizard and create table wizard produced invalid code in mssql studio 2008 |
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acuzio |
have never used it but in general easy things work with MS products |
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CJ_ |
I hate when I forget to save a file before committing changes. |
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acuzio |
auto-save its 2014 |
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CJ_ |
I don't think Eclipse auto saves. |
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CJ_ |
And it prompts me to do so when I run anyways. |
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acuzio |
there is your problem - Eclipse |
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sess |
god i love working in JSPs with 4300 lines |
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sess |
with scriptlets and JS |
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sess |
often combined :D |
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sess |
intellij is dying trying to process tuff |
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sess |
stuff |
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fabioportieri |
^ reminds me of the bad old times |
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whartung |
sounds like a good time sess |
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whartung |
don't forget to rage post on blogs and forums the awfulness of JSP because of this, you know it's all its fault. |
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sess |
well it is partly |
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sess |
semi-forced to keep js in jsp to access scriptlets |
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whartung |
"access" scriptlets? |
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sess |
use scriptlets in js |
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whartung |
well, sess, you can refactor those in to includes and such. |
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sess |
yeah you can get around it of course |
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sess |
just saying, jsp helps bad coders be bad :> |
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whartung |
hola sfisque |
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sfisque |
greetings! |
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whartung |
when do you start you new gig? |
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sfisque |
soon. have to pass background check (trivial) and drug screen (trivial). so once those are completed, i guess a few days hence from then |
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sfisque |
so it's a race to complete some personal projects while i still have "copious" spare time :P |
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whartung |
yeah |
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whartung |
I want photos of you shipping the urine sample to Hawaii at the UPS store :) |
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sfisque |
lol, it's through a lab here in town. show up, sign paper, go in room, come out. done |
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whartung |
figured drug tests were long done by now |
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sfisque |
nah, my last one expired. so i have to go in for a freshy |
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whartung |
are't you in Portland? Doesn't that disqualify you outright? |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: you're shipping your facebook killer already?! ;) |
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sfisque |
lolz. i wish. i ran down a dead end and decided to dismantle the project and start fresh with what i learned |
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pdurbin |
and what have we learned? |
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sfisque |
i'm finding it takes more than a little finesse to build a site with no static content on top of JSF |
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sfisque |
basically every screen and in fact almost every url will be dynamic, which definitely creates a chicken/egg aspect to testing and bootstrapping |
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sfisque |
navigation rules become "interesting" when none of the urls are solid |
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sfisque |
for all i know, i might end up having to craft a new framework. i'll call it "shades" (in the vein of struts, wicket, tiles, etc.) :P |
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sfisque |
every page will be a shade of grey, amorphous, fluffy, ephemeral. vapor, even >.< |
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sfisque |
:P |
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whartung |
isn't that a book? |
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whartung |
JSF Pages of Gray? |
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sfisque |
50 shades of nailing jelly to a tree :P |
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sfisque |
50 shades of mythic man month |
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sfisque |
50 shades of ejb in anger :P |
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sfisque |
50 design patterns of grey |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: maybe try angular.js next time instead of JSF |
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sfisque |
i would but i'm not a fan of building the ui on the client. i find the interfaces, though slick, tend to be brittle and hard to maintain. i generally like to construct as much on teh server side as possible and leverage ajax only where needed |
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sfisque |
i prefer commodity over "gee whiz" |
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whartung |
I like building the ui on the client. I like the ways it stalls and makes the spinny thing work. |
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whartung |
it's fun. |
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whartung |
especially on a mobile |
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sfisque |
lolz |
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whartung |
nothing says "user experience" like a stalled popup loading a an ad from an overloaded ad server on 3G... |
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pdurbin |
so just use JSF? what else is there? |
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whartung |
I've come to tactically hitting the X button on my iPhone and hoping that the (Reader) badge highlights |
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whartung |
any of 10 million frameworks for java |
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neuro_sys |
I like the idea of using as much processing power of the client's as possible |
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pdurbin |
whartung: they're all better than JSF? ;) |
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whartung |
I can't say, I don't use it |
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whartung |
but I think using JSF is an environment where you really want solid control over the "url" experience, is kind of a square peg/round hole thing. It's possible, but it's not the happy path for JSF |
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whartung |
neuro_sys: some clients aren't as powerful as others |
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neuro_sys |
:( |
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pdurbin |
whartung: JSF is terrible for controlling the URL experience... that's why there's PrettyFaces and Rewrite |
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whartung |
I also struggled with JSF to make "dynamic" pages. But I was quite new to it, so I may have missed something specific. But it certainly wasn't easy to me |
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whartung |
I had the same problem in .NET, but my domain was small enough that I just used IFS in the page templates to blot things out |
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whartung |
they were "always there", just not necessarily rendered. |
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whartung |
the hard part wasn't so much rendering out to the client, but accepting the forms back, at least for me. |
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whartung |
couldn't quite grok how that all worked and never found a solid example on the webz |
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whartung |
but this was pre 2.0, so |
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sfisque |
from what i can conceptualize, it "can be done", but would require building "generic" templates that have zero content and only "layout" with punch-ins. and then do all marshalling via actionHandlers and ajax |
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sfisque |
each view would have several controllers.. one for metadata punch-ins, one for specific user experience, and several for "cross connects", like "subscription feeds", "notifications", etc. |
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whartung |
just sounds like your working around JSF at that point |
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sfisque |
nah. |
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semiosis |
look at how the guardian rebuilt their site |
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sfisque |
but it does require a fair amount of "book keeping" since none of the UI is static |
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semiosis |
i've seen some good talks & articles from them |
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