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k anyone familar in eclipse ? |
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a bit |
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just for a change in html it is deploying the war :( , this is how it works ? |
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not sure |
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with netbeans and glassfish you don't have to redeploy for xhtml changes |
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noticed :set the folder :) |
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set of configuration |
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was getting "Caused an ERROR Provider org.glassfish.json.JsonProviderImpl not found" and this was helpful: http://blog.matthias-reining.com/testing-json-on-javaee--application-server-jsonproviderimpl-not-found/ |
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needed http://search.maven.org/#search|ga|1|a%3A%22javax.json%22 |
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k after going thru , all can say its not :/ |
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* liq |
forever against tomcat |
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neuro_sys |
liq: why |
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liq |
just for small things we need to [break;] and its not structured at all . |
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liq |
faq is bad too |
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* liq |
tomcat is for people who wants to waste tons of time in configuration |
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* liq |
soon i'll how many other feature sucks in :P |
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liq |
http://zeroturnaround.com/rebellabs/the-great-java-application-server-debate-with-tomcat-jboss-glassfish-jetty-and-liberty-profile/ |
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liq |
59% uses Tomcat :/ |
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liq |
glassfish is 11% [just born reasonable] |
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* liq |
ppl go to other server bcuz u know application server :) |
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liq |
k doubt on sngletreadmdel |
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liq |
:P |
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liq |
here goes |
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liq |
is servlet instance re-instalized every now and then after serving the response |
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liq |
since i cant verify since using a host |
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sfisque |
anyone have experience with managing OIDs of things? |
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whartung |
like what sfisque |
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sfisque |
well i want to store things in my app in a hierarchy (probably ldap or similar) and i'd like to do it according to a standard for interoperability. but i'm pretty ignorant of the whole OID framework |
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sfisque |
i'd like to know how it works (registration, etc.) |
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whartung |
Basically, OIDS are like domain names, right? "someone" owns some OID, and then they can do whatever they want down the tree. We work in health care, so we got our OIDs from the HL7 committee. As to who has dominion over which higher level OIDs, I can't say. |
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whartung |
but with our HL7 OIDs, we get it from them, and then we can do anything with that root, since it's "ours" |
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whartung |
so if they send us "1.2.3.4", we can do anything from there: "1.2.3.4.1", "1.2.3.4.1.2.4.3939393", etc. |
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whartung |
the fact that it's an HL7 root OID is really meaningless. |
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whartung |
You're basically quibbling over who made your ethernet card at that level. |
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whartung |
there's no real "authority" "Oh, that's an HL7 OID, that's better than an ASN.1 OID" |
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pdurbin |
I registered an OID once. My name is here: http://www.iana.org/assignments/enterprise-numbers/enterprise-numbers |
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whartung |
yea, that sounds about right |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: if they let me do it they'll let you :) |
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whartung |
16789? |
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pdurbin |
such an awesome number |
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whartung |
well it gets even better. |
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whartung |
You can give sfisque ONE OF YOURS! |
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pdurbin |
! |
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pdurbin |
no way |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: take a hike |
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whartung |
so pdurbin is 1.3.6.1.4.1.16789 |
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pdurbin |
well, berklee.edu |
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pdurbin |
where I used to work |
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whartung |
sfisque can 1.3.6.1.4.1.16789.1337 |
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pdurbin |
:) |
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whartung |
here ya go sfisque |
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whartung |
http://pen.iana.org/pen/PenApplication.page |
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whartung |
http://www.oid-info.com/ |
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pdurbin |
I'm dinking around with junit tests and one of them tests http://localhost:8080/api/search but I'm not sure how to make it execute only when the app has already been deployed |
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whartung |
pretty cool -- so that IANA number |
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pdurbin |
I mean, it passes if I've already deployed the app. But it fails if I undeploy and try to run my tests |
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pdurbin |
for now I'm just adding @Ignore so it doesn't run :) |
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sess |
pdurbin: it's called a bad unit test :V |
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whartung |
1 is "ISO", 3 is "Identified organization", 6 is the Department of Defense, 1 is "the internet", 4 is private projects, 1 is enterprise, |
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sess |
possibly a mock could solve it |
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sess |
a web server mock |
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pdurbin |
sess: yeah, I'm using just straight junit right now... probably need to add a lot more to it. arquillian or whatever |
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sess |
note that it's not a unit test if it's not mocked |
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pdurbin |
ok |
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semiosis |
pdurbin: i use jenkins to orchestrate end-to-end tests. i have projects set up to build automatically in this order, core -> rest api -> test client -> test driver. |
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semiosis |
when i push commits to one of the projects, jenkins runs the job & all the jobs downstream |
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pdurbin |
I guess this is more of an integration test... I'm doing url.openConnection() |
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sfisque |
cool thx for the link and info. basically i just want to make sure i choose a tree node that isnt taken and "makes sense" when i start generating them internally |
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sfisque |
that way i don't collide |
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whartung |
well, register one with the IANA -- free and easy... |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: cool. for now I'm just working with netbeans and glassfish, no jenkins |
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whartung |
until then, use pdurbins :) |
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* pdurbin |
smacks whartung |
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* sfisque |
grins evilly |
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semiosis |
pdurbin: we have four environments for our apps: dev (local workstations), test (cluster where end to end integration tests run), staging & prod |
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whartung |
kids are neat -- unreadable, but neat |
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whartung |
oidss |
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whartung |
kids are the same way…but… |
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sfisque |
lolz |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: do the dev tests have mocks like sess said? to do the equivalent of curl commands? |
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semiosis |
we use mockito *extensively* |
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semiosis |
but it's not quite the equiv of curl |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: ok. but hopefully you know what I mean |
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sess |
pdurbin: for unit tests you would use mocks, otherwise it's some kind of integration / system test |
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sess |
otherwise you have to setup an actual web server |
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semiosis |
we use the mocks more on the DB side |
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sfisque |
aye. unit test is for internal sanity. IT is for external linkage testing |
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sess |
the tests with mocks would test logic requiring the url.connection, not the actual web parts |
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sfisque |
we leverage arquillian for IT so we get all the EJB goodies like injection and jndi lookup |
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pdurbin |
sess: right. not a unit test. but I do have an actual web server (glassfish) on port 8080 on my laptop (localhost) |
| 19:55 |
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sess |
pdurbin: tests should always be runnable from any computer without any external resources |
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sfisque |
^^^ unit tests |
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sess |
sfisque: I tried arquillian but never got it to work |
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sfisque |
IT tests assume some form of "infrastructure" like dev/qa installs of remote services |
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sess |
a collegue of mine wrote his own test framework for EJB but it didn't handle transactions well so didn't get that working either... |
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sfisque |
we had someone do the heavy lifting on getting it bootstrapped. took him a few months but it's VERY NICE now that it runs |
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sfisque |
arq bootstraps embedded GF and everything links up nicely in IT harness |
| 19:57 |
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sfisque |
whartung - confirmed my iana pen app. waiting .. …. …… ........... |
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sess |
it's supposed to yeah, but never worked for me. Was a few years ago so don't remember the problem :p |
| 19:57 |
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sess |
perhaps I should give it another shot |
| 19:58 |
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sfisque |
if you have a spare resource, it's worth it, but definitely takes a bit of sweat and elbow grease |
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sess |
or i'd just use spring that has everything out of the box :) |
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sess |
writing tests for an existing application is crap anyways |
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sfisque |
oooh tasty… openDJ - ldap in java |
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sfisque |
blogs.forgerock.com/opendj |
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sfisque |
anyone have experience doing the following mech (or suggestions why it would not be good or an alternative) [cont] |
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sfisque |
use REST endpont to accept a url like host/{unique_id} -> redirect to deliver a JSF facelet constructed page |
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sfisque |
where the content is driven by the unique_id |
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sfisque |
that way pages can be templated but the url drives "what" is being rendered as content |
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sess |
to what end |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: forgerock? you should join me in #openam :) |
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sfisque |
done |
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sfisque |
sess - i want to be able to do multi-tenancy. have the url indicate "what", but still decorate with facelets in a templated manner |
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sess |
how would an url not already indicate what |
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sess |
What makes your method different from host/index.jsf |
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sfisque |
index.jsf does not tell me "what' i want to look at, just how to render it |
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sfisque |
lets say i have a site that has dogs, cats, and birds as "what". and i want to be able to dynamically add more "what" so its not hard coded in the face-config.xml or java code. so i need a url that indicates the what, and redirects to the "how" |
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sfisque |
without the application knowing the "what" until request time |
| 20:10 |
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sess |
how would you add more "what" without adding code? |
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sfisque |
for instance, if i have a rest endpont defined as "category/{unique_category_id}. the user (or link) can point to host/category/22394958 and that would redirect to index.jsf after setting some session level vars, that then get rendered in the index.jsf. since the id allows lookup into some repo, it's not hard coded |
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sess |
the design sounds more fitting for spring mvc either way |
| 20:11 |
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sfisque |
aye, but i want to try doing it vanilla EE |
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sess |
how would the server know what 2239blah maps to? |
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sfisque |
the bean that handles the rest request can look it up |
| 20:14 |
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sess |
also it would get a little weird since JSF is stateful |
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sfisque |
the other way would be to hang request params off the url (?unique_cat_id=234283420) but i'd rather have cleaner urls that do not have to process params |
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sess |
prettyfaces could be of interest perhaps |
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sfisque |
does prettyfaces have a "url dispatch" mech? afaik, faces does not support that out of the box and primefaces doesnt offer it either from what i see |
| 20:16 |
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sfisque |
one of those cases where i wish jsf was more like struts/tiles |
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sess |
not sure, never used |
| 20:16 |
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pdurbin |
I'm definitely interested in prettyfaces. I think the newer version is called rewrite |
| 20:17 |
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sfisque |
but yah, i remember spring mvc having url->method linkage which was nice |
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sess |
Now with dynamic view ID mapping for URLs (through El method expressions,) you can show different views based on run-time conditions, effectively de-coupling the URL from the JSF view. |
| 20:17 |
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sfisque |
but i'd rather not go down that route if possible. :-P |
| 20:17 |
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sess |
this was perhaps what you were looking for? |
| 20:17 |
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sfisque |
yeah, but thats EE7, no? |
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sess |
it stands as a prettyfaces feature |
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sess |
and I dont see why they wouldnt be able to do it without EE7 |
| 20:18 |
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sfisque |
oh… then i shall have to look at it |
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sess |
http://ocpsoft.org/prettyfaces/#features |
| 20:18 |
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sess |
the features does sound temptating |
| 20:19 |
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sess |
though I love being able to instantly see what xhtml file i should edit when having an url |
| 20:19 |
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sfisque |
hopefully it does what i want. which is the opposite of what they indicate. i dont want to dispatch to templates dynamically, i want to dispatch to data dynamically and decorate in a standard way |
| 20:19 |
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sess |
...dispatch to data? |
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sfisque |
basically do the standard struts model of url -> bean -> render. which is opposite of jsf which is url -> render for gets (not posts which does its own magic) |
| 20:21 |
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sess |
it sounds like you REALLY shouldn't use JSF |
| 20:21 |
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sess |
if you want to force spring mvc behavior into it |
| 20:21 |
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sfisque |
e.g. host/78886766 dispatches to index.xhtml but uses the data that maps to 78886766 whereas host/77777 dispatches to index.xhtml but renders the data that maps to 77777 |
| 20:21 |
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Naros |
yah the action frameworks are nice to map a uri to an action or even a specific method in an action bean |
| 20:22 |
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sfisque |
personally i would use struts/tiles for this (it's baked into it's model) but i find struts/tiles ajax klunky compared to jsf |
| 20:22 |
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Naros |
Using the ModelDriven interface in Struts makes decoupling reusable parameter cases to the action dispatch really clean |
| 20:22 |
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Naros |
sfisque: it isn't too bad if you leverage the json plugin for your ajax-stuff |
| 20:23 |
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Naros |
There is even a conversation plugin for struts that gives you JSF backing bean functionality |
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sfisque |
oh? |
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sfisque |
i must look into this too |
| 20:24 |
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Naros |
Yep, look up struts2-conversation |
| 20:24 |
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sfisque |
nifty |
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Naros |
You basically decorate your action classes with designated annotations that describe the conversation boundaries and what fields in the action class are part of the conversation. On the start of a convo, it stores it in a session scope and then retrieves it on future requests that use the same conversation id. |
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sfisque |
do i have to pass the conv id around or does it handle that transparently for me? |
| 20:25 |
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Naros |
so basically a convo id + session id -> lookup map get objects -> rehydrate action -> invoke action |
| 20:26 |
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Naros |
there is a sc:conversations tag that just embeds it into your forms for you |
| 20:26 |
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sfisque |
N I C E |
| 20:26 |
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Naros |
it even has a sc:form that builds atop of struts's form tag to do it too |
| 20:26 |
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Naros |
and even has a url tag that does the same |
| 20:26 |
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Naros |
so its just as simple as changing from s:form to sc:form :P |
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sfisque |
h:form |
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sfisque |
:P |
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Naros |
I reworked it in-house for some changes we needed but it has worked really nicely. |
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sfisque |
oh struts.. right |
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sfisque |
s:form |
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sfisque |
lolz |
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Naros |
Yep |
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sfisque |
TY naros. i will look into this |
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Naros |
Anytime :P |
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Naros |
It certainly bridges the gap between JSF and Action frameworks iimo |
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sfisque |
i really like how jsf streamlines the backing bean linkage, so having that with struts/tiles would be great |
| 20:28 |
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Naros |
Altho I do like the prettyfaces & primefaces features |
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sfisque |
cool |
| 20:28 |
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sfisque |
aye. i'm leveraging prime so i need "jsf" in some capacity under the hood |
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Naros |
Yah, its very similar to annotating the backing bean like in JavaEE with annotations. |
| 20:29 |
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Naros |
I've tried playing with the Struts2-JSF plugin but haven't gotten it to work too well yet |
| 20:30 |
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Naros |
Trying to merge an action framework with JSF feels wrong :P |
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sfisque |
i got it to work, but it does not decouple the individual fields very well in the back end |
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Naros |
decouple how exactly? |
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sfisque |
oh wait, not that plugin, it was the struts-ajax plugin i got working |
| 20:31 |
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sfisque |
basically the ajax requests back to the original rendering method, which can do too much heavy lifting if youre just updating a single field |
| 20:31 |
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Naros |
If you want ajax/jquery widgets, take a sneak peak at struts2-jquery-plugin |
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Naros |
the taglib for it is pretty slick but there are a fair number of things I've uncovered that are a tad buggy but its open-source and can be tweaked iirc. |
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Naros |
as to your particular test case, I don't see how that would be too much heavy lifting if you want to change a single field |
| 20:33 |
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Naros |
send ajax request with convo id or record pk plus the field |
| 20:35 |
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sfisque |
if the method before dispatching to the render layer marshals alot of data, it would remarshall even if we only need a single field repopulated |
| 20:35 |
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Naros |
json result type? |
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Naros |
you can have json on serialize specific properties of a pojo |
| 20:36 |
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Naros |
*only |
| 20:36 |
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Naros |
Many of our grids contain a plethora of fields but we only serialize the 5 or 6 columns of data via json |
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pdurbin |
speaking of JSON, do folks like http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/7/api/javax/json/JsonObject.html as opposed to older JSON libraries? pre-spec libraries |
| 20:37 |
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Naros |
Haven't looked at it as of yet but anything that lets me get away from third-party apis make me happy :P |
| 20:38 |
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sfisque |
aye. i'm happy they finally folded it in |
| 20:38 |
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pdurbin |
yeah, that's what I was thinking... try to use what's in the spec. it seems fine. there's even a decent example on that page |
| 20:38 |
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Naros |
I think the jqGrid sends a marshalled JSON string when users want to do searches and I had to exploit the JSON plugin's API to deserialize it into something I could manage in the action framework :E |
| 20:40 |
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Naros |
anyway sfisque, the key is inside your result type="json" tag, you can use <param name="includeProperties">some comma delimited list or regex of included proeprties</param> |
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Naros |
you can even use name="excludeProperties" to exclude things |
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Naros |
that way your json result to the UI is bloated |
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Naros |
*isnt |
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Naros |
the only issue I've seen with the json plugin is when I serialize out an entity that has references which were not loaded and those nasty lazily load issues happen :P |
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sfisque |
right but that is what gets serialized, not what gets executed. when i say marshal, i mean method->repo not UI->method |
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sfisque |
but anyway, this new avenue looks promising to pursue |
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Naros |
Not sure I necessarily follow, but ok :) |
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Naros |
I would presume your talking more about ajax action mapping -> method invocation |
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Naros |
which contains your calls to whatever service/business api you need |
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sfisque |
i believe so. it's been a few months since i abandoned struts2/tiles2 and went with jsf2 |
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sfisque |
i just remember not liking the ability to bind "alternate" methods to components like jsf does |
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Naros |
Well action mappings can include method mappings too. <action name="someAction" method="mySpecialMethod" class="com.company.packageA.MyAction">...</action> |
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Naros |
you could get fancy and use wildcards too :P |
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Naros |
and you can use wildcards in conjunction with hardcoded mappings. e.g.: name="editAction" vs name="*Action" |
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sfisque |
anywho, i'm going to look at prettyfaces |
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sfisque |
for now |
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Naros |
ciao |
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sfisque |
laters naros |
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Naros |
you could write this base cost api for me :P |
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Naros |
so I dont have to |
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sfisque |
anywho, on a side note, anyone ever bridged jabber or irc with JMS |
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sfisque |
? |
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Naros |
That'd be a fun experiment |
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sfisque |
i know AMQ has a bridge, but i was hoping i could find a driver (sar/rar) that would bridge with jbossmq embedded in jboss-as |
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sfisque |
if it's a paying gig naros, i'd be game. my contract ends in 2 weeks, so i'm actively looking for a new gig |
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sfisque |
:-D |
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Naros |
:) |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: good luck. I'm sure you'll find something |
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sfisque |
TY pdurbin |
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sfisque |
slow time of the year, but i can spend time working on crossroads (my fb replacement) during the down time ;-D |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: let us know when we can look at it |
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sfisque |
of course |
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* cem__ |
getting scoldings :( |
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neuro_sys |
stab them |
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cem__ |
lol its my elder bro :/ |
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sfisque |
even more reason! |
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sfisque |
:P |
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cem__ |
he scolds me often |
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cem__ |
no big deal used to it |
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cem__ |
k 'm back with my computer |
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* cem__ |
yappy! |
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Naros |
hehehe |
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Naros |
Joys of sibling disputes. |
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cem__ |
well i changed something and it was not working so he scolded me not my fault |
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* cem__ |
how can i know :( |
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Naros |
always the lil siblings fault :P |
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Naros |
did that to my sister growing up all the time |
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cem__ |
gn |
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