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whartung |
not used it, not familiar with any of the json jars exposing comments, frankly - -but I haven't needed it |
| 00:16 |
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cem_ |
Date sucks for java |
| 00:29 |
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whartung |
Well, if that's the kind of date you're looking for... |
| 00:29 |
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cem_ |
i have 2 dates both having same value yet it says date 1 is before date2 |
| 00:29 |
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whartung |
then they don't have the same value. How do you know they have the same value? |
| 00:30 |
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cem_ |
when i convert toString() , get the result for both |
| 00:30 |
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whartung |
what kind of string? |
| 00:30 |
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cem_ |
same result for both date's |
| 00:31 |
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whartung |
what fields does it show? |
| 00:32 |
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cem_ |
date1--> Sat Nov 23 09:32:20 JST 2013 date 2--> Sat Nov 23 09:32:20 JST 2013 |
| 00:32 |
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cem_ |
see both are same |
| 00:32 |
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whartung |
neither of those show msec |
| 00:33 |
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whartung |
so, they may well not be the same |
| 00:34 |
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cem_ |
in another example i have 2 dates date 3 and date 4 but where date 3 comes before date4 and it says both are same |
| 00:34 |
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whartung |
those date strings are MISSING INFORMATION |
| 00:34 |
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whartung |
so if that's all you're seeing, then you don't KNOW |
| 00:35 |
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cem_ |
i got a long format for botjh (aka in millisec) both are same |
| 00:35 |
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whartung |
what does getTime say? |
| 00:36 |
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cem_ |
i checked it both are same for date3 and date4 |
| 00:42 |
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whartung |
well, there's nothing wrong with Date…it basically compares the millisecond numbers |
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pdurbin |
there's a new date api in java 8 |
| 01:45 |
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pdurbin |
javaeebot: lucky java 8 date api |
| 01:45 |
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javaeebot |
pdurbin: https://blogs.oracle.com/thejavatutorials/entry/javaone_2013_jdk_8_date |
| 01:56 |
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* cem_ |
linux time :) |
| 04:26 |
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cem_ |
bye all! |
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sfisque |
dont use date to parse strings. 90 |
| 05:13 |
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sfisque |
date should only be used to convert and manipulate milliseconds <-> date. string manipulation should be done with Calendar and SimpleTimeFormat. 90% of Date's api is deprecated for many reasons |
| 05:13 |
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sfisque |
javaeebot later tell cem_ date should only be used to convert and manipulate milliseconds <-> date. string manipulation should be done with Calendar and SimpleTimeFormat. 90% of Date's api is deprecated for many reasons |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: The operation succeeded. |
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| 14:59 |
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pdurbin |
a good read: http://blog.arungupta.me/2013/11/glassfish-commercial-is-dead-wildfly-and-jboss-eap-to-rescue/ |
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| 15:01 |
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pdurbin |
oh, and I'll probably watch http://www.adam-bien.com/roller/abien/entry/hello_javaee_7_with_maven when a get a chance. seems very similar to a talk he gave at javaone about setting up a simple rest service |
| 15:51 |
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sajjadg |
pdurbin, who's he? so many interesting post on that site |
| 16:37 |
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pdurbin |
sajjadg: Arun? Adam? They're both big figures in Java EE. |
| 16:39 |
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sajjadg |
pdurbin, I saw adam's blog. very good. he's netbeans guy ;) |
| 16:39 |
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sajjadg |
pdurbin, I can't open Arun blog! |
| 16:41 |
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pdurbin |
sajjadg: maybe you can open https://twitter.com/arungupta or https://github.com/arun-gupta |
| 17:09 |
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sajjadg |
yeah |
| 17:09 |
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sajjadg |
I saw him |
| 17:09 |
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sajjadg |
I like to see that presentation |
| 17:10 |
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sajjadg |
pdurbin, what ide do you use? |
| 17:21 |
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pdurbin |
sajjadg: netbeans |
| 17:22 |
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sajjadg |
pdurbin, :) what's your opinion on idea and eclipse? |
| 17:39 |
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pdurbin |
sajjadg: Android Studio (based on idea) seems very nice. I used Eclipse a few years ago and it seemed ok. I downloaded it about a week ago and I'm having trouble getting into it... feels a little clunky and code completion seems slow... I don't see any reason to switch from Netbeans to Eclipse |
| 17:42 |
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* pdurbin |
checks out IRC logs for "Design is a Process, not a Document" by Trisha Gee - Google Drive - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZrbIT_tvCtQ0lABZ4ugJEobwl7YH_AIrrvBjXI4o1iw/edit |
| 17:43 |
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pdurbin |
via "Design is a Process, not a Document" by Trisha Gee - YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GixwXNlZ7dI |
| 17:53 |
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sajjadg |
what that? |
| 17:55 |
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sajjadg |
pdurbin, I used netbeans since 6.7 until 7.2 then I moved to sts (spring eclipse based IDE) 4.x for EE dev. I used eclipse 3.x before and it was good. but I have lots of problems with eclipse 4.x I think they are not going forward |
| 17:57 |
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sajjadg |
the only downside of netbeans was it's hardware requirements. I suffered from it. but eclipse is somehow lightweighter than netbeans. |
| 17:58 |
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sajjadg |
but now that I have a good hardware I don't see any problem with netbeans |
| 17:58 |
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sajjadg |
and I see netbeans more like idea than eclipse |
| 17:58 |
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sajjadg |
and I also am thinking about simple editors like vim or emacs! |
| 17:59 |
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sajjadg |
some bugs in IDEs will kill your days |
| 17:59 |
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sajjadg |
I had problem with eclipse m2e maven plugin. and it was driving me crazy |
| 18:00 |
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sajjadg |
I abandoned spring because of that problem. (I was thinking it is a spring problem :P) |
| 18:00 |
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sajjadg |
and now that I compared both spring and JEE7 I don't see any reason to use spring anymore |
| 18:17 |
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sess |
spring is testable |
| 18:17 |
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sess |
spring doesn't require a java ee container |
| 18:17 |
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sess |
spring has more rapid development |
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| 18:30 |
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sajjadg |
sess, for those who worked with spring before java ee 6 (year 2009) that's perfectly true. but for those who want to choose and start learning from ground up now (year 2013) it's very hard to choose. and I think Java EE 6, 7 are easier to start now... |
| 18:30 |
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sajjadg |
spring became a bloatware lately |
| 18:31 |
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sajjadg |
I really really tried to dive into it. but I couldn't ... but JEE I always succeed when I tried! |
| 18:32 |
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sajjadg |
it's kinda like talking an idea user about other IDEs :D someone who knows IDEA can rock with it (and someone who knows spring can rock with it too) |
| 18:32 |
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sajjadg |
so there's no reason to change it |
| 18:32 |
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sess |
neither spring nor ejb is hard to use |
| 18:33 |
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sajjadg |
but for those who are new in this field...they can try and see what is best for them |
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| 18:33 |
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sess |
and the facts i listed still stands |
| 18:33 |
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sajjadg |
sess, for a pro yes. but for a newcomer...I can't say that |
| 18:33 |
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sess |
the big differences is in the web frameworks though |
| 18:33 |
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sajjadg |
you're right |
| 18:33 |
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sess |
spring mvc vs jsf |
| 18:34 |
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sess |
ejb/spring core is basicly just throwing a few annotations of classes |
| 18:34 |
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sess |
for basic functionality |
| 18:34 |
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sess |
and they are extremly similar |
| 18:34 |
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sajjadg |
yeah...it really matter...what you want them to do for you... |
| 18:34 |
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sajjadg |
I'm not using them! |
| 18:35 |
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sajjadg |
I am building a RESTful app. front-end with angularjs and server-side with JAX-RS |
| 18:35 |
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sajjadg |
I'm using JPA but I don't know if I need ejb or not... |
| 18:36 |
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sajjadg |
I don't see any need right know...I don't know what it provides exactly |
| 18:37 |
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sess |
using jpa with ejb is hardly an option |
| 18:37 |
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sess |
or spring |
| 18:37 |
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sess |
ejb offers dependency injection and transaction management mainly |
| 18:38 |
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sajjadg |
JTA...I don't know... |
| 18:38 |
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sess |
dont know what? |
| 18:38 |
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sajjadg |
if I need it' |
| 18:38 |
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sess |
why dont _need_ anything |
| 18:39 |
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sess |
but why would you not use the tools that are available |
| 18:39 |
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sajjadg |
why should I? |
| 18:39 |
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sess |
why = you |
| 18:39 |
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sess |
because it lessens boiler plate code |
| 18:39 |
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sess |
makes code more readable |
| 18:39 |
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sess |
and forces some design patterns |
| 18:40 |
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sajjadg |
hummm |
| 18:40 |
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sajjadg |
you're right |
| 18:40 |
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sajjadg |
If there's a tool that I can use why not using it. |
| 18:41 |
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sess |
with EJB you can update a database entity with practicaly zero code |
| 18:41 |
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sess |
without EJB you would have to get an entityManager somehow, then start transactions, commit transactions etc |
| 18:41 |
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sajjadg |
but when there are lots of tools and I don't know them and it takes times to learn them and I'm a single lonely developer :( what now? |
| 18:42 |
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sess |
basic EJB is very simple |
| 18:42 |
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sess |
JPA is the hard part |
| 18:42 |
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sajjadg |
really? with EJB I can update db without EM? |
| 18:42 |
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sess |
no you still use entity manager |
| 18:42 |
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sajjadg |
I know JPA |
| 18:42 |
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sajjadg |
I worked with eclipselink and hibernate before |
| 18:43 |
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sajjadg |
the basic thing... |
| 18:43 |
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sajjadg |
transaction, entitymanager, entity and ... |
| 18:43 |
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sess |
the only thing you need to learn about EJB really to get started is to annotate service/dao classes with @Stateless, and thjat transactions will be started/commited automatically |
| 18:43 |
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sess |
and rolled back on unchecked exception throw |
| 18:46 |
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sess |
sajjadg: you actually used jpa without spring or ejb? |
| 18:46 |
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sajjadg |
:-/ |
| 18:47 |
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sajjadg |
I don't know. in one project there was EJB but I was not working with it. we just used netbeans code generation to generate EJB controller for us |
| 18:47 |
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sess |
EJB controller? |
| 18:47 |
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sajjadg |
Controller class |
| 18:47 |
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sess |
you dont use EJB for controller classes |
| 18:48 |
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sajjadg |
:-/ maybe ...I don't really remember! |
| 18:48 |
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sajjadg |
sorry... |
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sajjadg |
but I don't think JPA needs EJB |
| 18:49 |
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sess |
suit yourself |
| 18:52 |
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sajjadg |
I don't know what is EJB. and I think if I know it I will use it :) why not :) |
| 18:53 |
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sajjadg |
I'm kinda lazy ... I don't read Java Books and tutorials. I just jumped into it... |
| 18:53 |
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sess |
if you dont know what EJB is, how can you then state that you dont gain anything from using it? |
| 18:53 |
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sajjadg |
I start using it little by little and when I see something is wrong or I need some functionality I go and search about how to do it... |
| 18:53 |
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sajjadg |
I read |
| 18:54 |
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sajjadg |
I spend lots of time in debates on different technologies.... |
| 18:54 |
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sajjadg |
I just heard... |
| 18:54 |
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sajjadg |
I don't say EJB is bad...I just say I don't want to use it until I have no choice! |
| 18:55 |
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sajjadg |
stupid isn't it!? |
| 18:55 |
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sess |
you wont make it far as a developer with that attitude |
| 18:55 |
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sajjadg |
I should just start reading Java tutorial (1200 page) and then use what I need from it :D |
| 18:57 |
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sajjadg |
it's just a hard era for me. I will change myself as soon as I can. I just need to do some work. that's it. I know this attitude is not good and won't get me far. and I feel like I don't know anything :( |
| 18:59 |
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sess |
if you understand JPA, EJB should take about 10 minutes to learn |
| 18:59 |
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sess |
well enough to use it |
| 19:16 |
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sajjadg |
if it's as easy as you say, then I should read it. I worked with JPA before... |
| 19:25 |
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sajjadg |
sess, any resource you want to suggest for EJB? |
| 19:25 |
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sajjadg |
what about the official tutorial? |
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sajjadg |
gotta go. see you later |
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pdurbin |
javaeebot: later tell sajjadg that youtube video and IRC chat log is from ##virtualjug, which is new: http://www.meetup.com/virtualJUG/ and https://blogs.oracle.com/java/entry/vjug_worldwide_virtual_jug_created |
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javaeebot |
pdurbin: The operation succeeded. |
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cem_ |
S completed the game in 5:13 ##DrWhoDoodle |
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cem_ |
wow javaeebot has to check to each login that really sucks go regex :P |
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cem_ |
brb |
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cem_ |
Is there anyway to get what is going wrong in sql under SQLexception ? |
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cem_ |
SQLException * |
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cem_ |
k how to insert timestamp value in sql? |
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jaip |
setDate? |
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cem_ |
? |
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semiosis |
has anyone ever tried using test coverage tools (cobertura, jacoco, etc) on a project that uses either lombok or powermock or similar magic? |
| 23:19 |
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semiosis |
can't find any solutions on the googles |
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cem_ |
org.postgresql.util.PSQLException: ERROR: syntax error at or near "04" |
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cem_ |
got lol ! |
