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cem_ |
there are lot of games which awesome but still angry bird,minecraft got to top how ? |
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cem_ |
??? |
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SoniEx2 |
cem_: make a lwjgl game |
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SoniEx2 |
give it mods |
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SoniEx2 |
then get a youtuber to play it |
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pdurbin |
SoniEx2: what do you like about lwjgl? |
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pdurbin: minecraft :3 |
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pdurbin |
:) |
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SoniEx2 |
also Slick2D |
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cem_ |
SoniEx2: how many stories have you created ? |
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cem_: http://slick.ninjacave.com/ |
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also it's not an abstraction... not quite at least... |
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cem_ |
these days a 12 years kid makes java app and have quite success in it :P |
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SoniEx2 |
writing java is easy |
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SoniEx2 |
C is a pain :/ |
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SoniEx2 |
D is normal |
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SoniEx2 |
(so basically difficulty: ASM = hardcore, C = hard, D = normal, Java = easy, Lua? = easiest) |
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cem_ |
one of my friend use work in asm said it was easy until i showed him C :) |
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cem_ |
later he never went to asm at all |
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:P |
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you can do ASM in D... |
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ASM isnt hardcore, it's stupid :V |
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I'm confused with grizzly and jersey! what's the relation between jersey+grizzly+tomcat ? |
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pdurbin |
sajjadg: I assume you know what tomcat is. it's a servlet container |
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pdurbin |
javaeebot: lucky jersey java |
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sajjadg |
right |
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javaeebot |
pdurbin: http://jersey.java.net/ |
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pdurbin |
"RESTful Web Services in Java." |
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pdurbin |
javaeebot: lucky grizzly java |
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javaeebot |
pdurbin: http://grizzly.java.net/ |
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pdurbin |
"NIO Event Development Simplified" |
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balo |
lucky I am. Yoda, my name is. |
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balo |
javaeebot: lucky I am. Yoda, my name is. |
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javaeebot |
balo: http://www.yodaspeak.co.uk/ |
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balo |
:DDDDD |
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balo |
awesome |
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pdurbin |
I guess grizzly is a supported jersey container: https://jersey.java.net/documentation/latest/modules-and-dependencies.html |
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acuzio |
yes |
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pdurbin |
so many containers in java ee |
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sajjadg |
:) |
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sajjadg |
use tomcat |
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sajjadg |
if you need an AS then use galssfish or Jboss... |
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AlexCzar |
sajjadg, not Glassfish, if you don't use it (and are happy with it) already |
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pdurbin |
or TomEE |
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pdurbin |
AlexCzar: not glassfish? |
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sajjadg |
hey AlexCzar :) I prefer JBoss but redhat applying sanction against us (Iran) and I have hard time getting it. Oracle apply the sanction too but I can get glassfish hardly. |
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AlexCzar |
pdurbin, when you have a problem with glassfish it's reasonably harder to get help from the community compared to Jboss, for example |
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sajjadg |
then for Containers go with Tomcat and for AS go with JBoss |
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pdurbin |
AlexCzar: well, let's see if anyone replies to my https://java.net/projects/glassfish/lists/dev/archive/2013-11/message/0 |
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AlexCzar |
pdurbin, you see, your message is already 3 days old and goes without reply, I can't remember similar situation with any of the Jboss problems I had at the time I was using it |
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AlexCzar |
I'm talking 4 years in the past |
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sajjadg |
AlexCzar, then we had a winner here :) |
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sajjadg |
AlexCzar, what about containter? |
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sajjadg |
AlexCzar, do you use JBoss with Spring!? |
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AlexCzar |
sajjadg, no :) |
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acuzio |
sajjadg: FWIW - a few of the main JBoss guys hang out in ##java and are very helpful - |
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AlexCzar |
sajjadg, for the past 4-5 years I've been working with Spring and using tomcat |
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AlexCzar |
it's just until then I worked in a company which had several JEE apps running on pre-historic version of JBoss |
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AlexCzar |
I migrated a couple of them to Spring and Tomcat, then I quit and started working in a startup where I made all technology decisions, clearly my choice of the time was Spring/Tomcat |
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AlexCzar |
I'm still most comfortable with this combination, although the company I'm working for now needs wider technology spread than this |
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sajjadg |
AlexCzar, what do you mean by wider techs? |
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AlexCzar |
sajjadg, custom servers, nio stuff, thrift, etc. |
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sajjadg |
AlexCzar, and Spring/Tomcat don't suite you there? |
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AlexCzar |
sajjadg, Spring does sometimes, but Tomcat being a Servlet container just is not suited for some tasks |
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hi all |
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pdurbin |
jypie: hello |
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jypie |
:) what are you up to? |
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pdurbin |
putting a valid cert on glassfish |
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jypie |
oh :) |
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pdurbin |
we have a wildcard cert we use for Apache. I'm trying to re-use it |
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wild-card cert ., heh |
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acuzio: yeah, it's not working. "ProtocolChain exception" |
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pdurbin |
this seems helpful: http://i-cat.blogspot.com/2009/02/glassfish-and-intermediate-ssl.html |
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but I think I'm going to just get an individual cert |
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Tomcat (Servlet container) vs. Grizzly (NIO framework) For RESTful applications? |
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sfisque |
javaeebot lucky grizzly java |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: http://grizzly.java.net/ |
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sfisque |
i'm guessing with grizzly, you're basically writing your own container, vs getting a container for free with tomcaty |
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sfisque |
they give you the tools, you "put it all together" |
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sfisque |
i know glassfish makes use of grizzly. i see that package often in stack traces |
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sfisque |
so, arguably, if you used a modern EE container, you'd be using grizzly, anyway |
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sfisque, Glassfish uses grizzly, but JBoss uses netty. but about tomcat and jetty? what do they use!? non? |
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grizzly and netty are NIO implementation. I think tomcat implements NIO itself! |
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how do I use ASM? |
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I mean this ASM: http://asm.ow2.org/ |
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java.util.zip.ZipException: invalid entry crc-32 |
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sfisque |
i've seen that before. from what i recall, it can be when an archive is compressed with an algorithm that java does not grok |
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sfisque: remember the other day you mentioned it gets tricky when you want to Join & Fetch a collection? |
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Naros |
For hibernate as the provider, it seems ok to cast the Fetch<> to a Join<> and use them interchangably, but not sure if that is the correct approach. |
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Naros |
Otherwise, it appears if you create a Join<> and Fetch<>, it creates two references in the generated SQL to that particular entity. |
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how to zip ? |
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cem_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1206970/creating-zip-using-zip-utility |
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cem_ |
oh! i visited that thread already |
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SoniEx2 |
could someone help me with a forth VM in ASM? |
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(basically ASM is what I'm gonna use to compile words... it'll help avoid possible stack overflows... not entirely sure how to handle recursive/loop words, tho...) |
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(well, at least forth doesn't have returns, so it's a lot easier...) |
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SoniEx2 |
oh well :/ I tried... |
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SoniEx2 |
sfisque: could you help me? |
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pdurbin |
"Certificate chain length: 4" \o/ |
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pdurbin |
but does it work? |
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sfisque |
exactly naros. hibernate has a slightly different inheritence graph. under JPA you cannot cast one to the other. under hibernate, you can |
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Naros |
how would you do it non-hibernate? |
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sfisque |
you have to do both, and swallow the double joins, OR craft the "troublesome" part of the query as a "view" and model the view as a readonly entity and use that entity for joins |
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Naros |
I see. |
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Naros |
One last question. |
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Naros |
One query fetches parent, a filtered Set<> of children and a filtered Set<> of grand-children. |
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Naros |
One query needs to fetch the first grand-child non-filtered. |
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Naros |
Is there anyway to model this without doing 2 unique queries? |
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sfisque |
so you want X -> childOfX[ 0 ]-> grandChildOfX[ 0 ]? or do you want X->entireSetOfChildren -> grandChildOfX[ 0 ] |
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Naros |
The first. |
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Naros |
Work Order -> Operation -> Service |
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Naros |
I need a specific operation and a specific filtered set of services (active vs all) |
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pdurbin |
it works!! |
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Naros |
But in the case of active may mean no services get returned, i need to get the top 1 of services to fetch some denormalized attributes :P |
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Naros |
We used to fetch all services in the hibernate criteria way and let the view filter. |
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Naros |
But trying to push that off to the database for cases where large number of service grand-child could exist but be deactivated |
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shakes his fist at SAP BI giving me flat denormalized structures. |
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sfisque |
you might want to craft a view for this and model it. |
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Naros |
Hm. |
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sfisque |
that way the view can do whatever native sql optimizations you can throw at it, and the model only cares about the returned data |
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sfisque |
we have a view like that here that does a recursive join, which is impossible in jpa |
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sfisque |
the one thing to keep in mind, only do this if the resultset is a top level object. if you start doing jpa joins against the model of the view, it can play havoc with the rdbms's explain planner |
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sfisque |
we have some pathological queries like that which drive oracle bonkers |
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sfisque |
people started consuming some of the views as "join linkages" and all havoc ensued |
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looks for a 2x4 to start LARTing his co-workers |
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pdurbin |
combining http://stackoverflow.com/questions/906402/importing-an-existing-x509-certificate-and-private-key-in-java-keystore-to-use-i/8224863#8224863 and http://i-cat.blogspot.com/2009/02/glassfish-and-intermediate-ssl.html was the solution |
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Naros |
hehe, believe me know that all too well. We used to have this table in oracle long time ago called XSR_USER_ACCESS_V which joined a plethora of oracle-apps tables to give us some role authorizations. We then in turn used that view in a number of places, even against oracle's own views and zomgz. |
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Naros |
And that was before JPA, hehe pure JDBC :/ |
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sfisque |
>.< |
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Naros |
hehe, yah |
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Naros |
in cases where it was hitting say po_lines_all view, it was sslllooooowwwwww |
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sfisque |
yah. we have one that consumed a bunch of tables and another view (flattens a recursive relationship) and then joined against it. i think oracle's explain planner finally settled on something that was like O( n^9 ), which of course scaled very well! |
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Naros |
lol |
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Naros |
one more quick question. |
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Naros |
lets say I have a CPK with 5 fields |
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Naros |
of which I want to query against 4 of the 5 CPK values |
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Naros |
field0 through field3 |
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Naros |
typical just to list those as individual predicates to the 4 fields in the CPK metamodel? |
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sfisque |
yah |
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Naros |
ugh, starting to hate CPKs |
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Naros |
insane verbosity |
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Naros |
would prefer like a new Id(field0, field1, field2, field3), findbyExample(id) |
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sfisque |
does jpa support QBE? i know hibernate has (or had) it at one point |
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sfisque |
and it's the core of mybatis |
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Naros |
not entirely sure, i haven't gotten that far into JPA |
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sfisque |
man i hate job searching. the down side of being a contractor |
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Naros |
im still a jpa2 noob |
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sfisque |
i know a fair amount, but i havent really touched QBE other than reading about it |
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sfisque |
javaeebot lucky query by example jpa support |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: http://docs.spring.io/spring-integration/reference/html/jpa.html |
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sfisque |
javaeebot lucky query by example jpa support -spring |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: http://www.playframework.com/documentation/1.0.1/jpa |
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sfisque |
looks like it was slated for consideration in jpa2, but dropped: from SO :: m sorry to say that we didn't actually get to do QBE in JPA 2.0. Criteria API does not have any special operators for it so entity equality is just like in JP QL, based on PK value. Sorry, but hopefully we'll be more successful on that front in the next go-round. For now it is one of those vendor features that every vendor supports, but is not in the s |
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sfisque |
so you can grab the native peer behind the jpa facade, and do it if need be and supported by the impl/peer |
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sfisque |
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2880209/jpa-findbyexample |
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Naros |
gotcha. |
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Naros |
or just do it the verbose way and be spec compliant :P |
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Naros |
without vendor-specifics |
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sfisque |
right |
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whartung |
I so miss QBE from back in the old Informix 4GL days -- it was so great |
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sfisque |
write a dsl that calls into JPA? |
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whartung |
nah, QBE was a form mode in I4GL. You were presented a form, you filled it in, and it generated a SQL filter that you could use. |
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whartung |
it was elegant and simple |
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whartung |
and handled things like >123 or 123:456 or ABC|DEF |
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whartung |
it was a simpler time, when app developers were actually productive... |
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sfisque |
ROFL |
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when hibernate pulls objects from database, it doesnt pulls them according to id , ascending order? |
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sfisque |
it pulls them however the db returns them. if you don't supply an ordering, order is "indeterminate" |
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Quest |
how can i supply the order ascending/descending |
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Quest |
without passing a query^ |
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sfisque |
Collections.sort() |
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sfisque |
and supply your comparator |
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Quest |
hm |
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Quest |
sfisque, i would implement interface Comaparable and do the compare() ? or jus tcollection.sort()? |
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sfisque |
both. if you dont pass in a comparator, you're going to get the native Object.hashCode() ordering |
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Quest |
both? |
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sfisque |
or whatever default compareTo() is defined in the hierarchy |
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Quest |
hm |
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sfisque |
collections.sort() has two versions. one takes a comparator, one uses the objects native comparison |
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Quest |
whats a objects native comparison |
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Quest |
Object.hashCode() ordering ^ ? |
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sfisque |
depends. some objects implement comparable, some dont |
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Quest |
mine dont |
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sfisque |
for those that don't, hashCode() is the default ordering |
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Quest |
I never knew what hashCode() is. would read it |
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sfisque |
so you would implement Comparator, and pass that to Collections.sort with your Collection<?> |
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sfisque |
it's the "unique-ish" key for an object so the jvm can track them uniquely for things like GC, proxying, etc. |
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sfisque |
it |
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sfisque |
it's part of the "equals()" contract |
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pdurbin |
I just wrote a little howto: http://wiki.greptilian.com/java/glassfish/howto/reuse-a-wildcard-ssl-cert-from-apache/ |
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hm |
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Quest |
sfisque, thanks |
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sfisque |
nifty |
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sfisque, hascode is the memory addresss type of thing or just a unique code for a unique object |
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sfisque |
can't be a memory address. the jvm does not expose that to the java layer. it's "just a number" as far as your code is concerned. the contract is basically this: hashCode returns a number that is unique for that object type. if two object's of the exact type (discard erasures and sub/super classing) have the same hashCode() they "should" be considered equal(). if they aren't, it can break things like Comparator, Map, and |
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sfisque |
bah |
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sfisque |
well, he'll see it in the log |
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hascode is the memory addresss type of thing or just a unique code for a unique object |
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* Disconnected (Connection tim |
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read the logs Quest |
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Guest4970 |
oh, I nearly forgot we had logs |
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Guest4970 |
got it. thx |
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huh. "For those of you who will get this problem, it was related to the fact that the Java Cryptography Extension (JCE) Unlimited Strength Jurisdiction Policy Files was not installed and it was not letting me use encryption better than AES-128" -- http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9422545/decrypting-encrypted-assertion-using-saml-2-0-in-java-using-opensaml/9500718#9500718 |
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I don't know if I even have that |
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sfisque |
you have to explicitly upgrade the containers JCE provider for full encryption. there is a download from oracle |
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sfisque |
it's fairly trivial but not obvious |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth " test" . |
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test |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth " test" . . |
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testEmpty stack |
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SoniEx2 |
I may be doing that wrong... |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth " test test" . . |
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SExJ |
test testEmpty stack |
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SoniEx2 |
well I'm not doing that wrong... |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth " test test " . . |
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SExJ |
test test Empty stack |
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SoniEx2 |
:D |
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SoniEx2 |
the only problem is recursion and I don't have a timeout... |
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sfisque |
recursion is like venture capitalism, you should always have an exit strategy |
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sfisque |
:-) |
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lets see... OutOfMemoryError sounds like a good exit strategy... |
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sfisque |
oh yeah. turing machine, here we come!! |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth : test " just testing ;)" ; |
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SoniEx2 |
I can't tell if that worked... |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth test |
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SoniEx2 |
eh I guess not :/ |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth : test " just testing ;)" ; |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth : test " just testing ;)" ; |
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SoniEx2 |
oh wait |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth : test " just testing ;)" . ; |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth test |
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SoniEx2 |
huh... |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth test . |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth " test" test |
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SoniEx2 |
--forth test |
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sfisque |
—forth spam the crap out of us |
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SExJ |
spam? |
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SoniEx2 |
fine I'll test somewhere elase |
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SoniEx2 |
else* |
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sfisque |
this channel isnt really for testing s/w. make a temp channel for it |
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cem_ |
J omg all i see quit-joined loop |
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SoniEx2 |
fixed |
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pdurbin |
whartung and sfisque: #openam is becoming my sso channel: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/openam/2013-11-04#i_7812160 :) |
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whartung |
cool pdurbin |
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sfisque |
nifty |
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shakes fist at ADFS |
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sfisque |
is that the oracle JSF impl? |
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sfisque |
oh wait, thats ADF |
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sfisque |
what's ADFS |
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sfisque |
? |
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pdurbin |
javaeebot: lucky windows adfs |
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javaeebot |
pdurbin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Directory_Federation_Services |
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sfisque |
gotcha |
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SoniEx2 |
how do I do an HTTP GET in Java? |
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whartung |
you can use URL.openStream |
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whartung |
but most folks use the Apache commons HTTP client suite |
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sfisque |
unless you're doing something fancy, the vanilla jdk java.net will do fine, but as whartung indicates, the apache lib will help too |
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SoniEx2 |
ok |
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SoniEx2 |
what about POST? |
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whartung |
HttpURLConnection is the JDKs way of doing that |
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whartung |
I've never reallyused the JDK stuff, always used Apaches |
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whartung |
though I thin kthe current kit is not the most intuitive to use |
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sfisque |
afaik httpurlconnection will perform get or post |
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sfisque |
at least it did last time i used them |
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sfisque |
as for PUT or DELETE, not sure if it supports those |
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whartung |
yea, should work |
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whartung |
probably doesn't care |
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cem_ |
SExJava not again |
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sfisque |
sexj must be 14. it keeps leaving and coming back in. upto no good, i say... |
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sfisque |
:P |
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SoniEx2 |
cem_: it's SoniExJava |
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cem_ |
is that your bot ? |
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SoniEx2 |
yeah |
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cem_ |
:D |
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cem_ |
I made my bot too much better then javaeeb o t |
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cem_ |
i tried i channel :D they kicked it :D |
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cem_ |
other * |
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cem_ |
Bye ALL lots of love for this channel :) |