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SoniEx2 |
who's the owner? |
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pdurbin |
SoniEx2: try /msg ChanServ access ##javaee list |
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SoniEx2 |
yeah that doesn't help much... |
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SoniEx2 |
I would say neuro_sys but idk |
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pdurbin |
he's the founder |
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SoniEx2 |
well I wanna bring a bot in here and I need permission first... |
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SoniEx2 |
so yeah who can give me that permission? |
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pdurbin |
SoniEx2: why would you need permission? is the bot annoying? :) |
| 17:51 |
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SoniEx2 |
I don't know... |
| 17:51 |
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SoniEx2 |
it has ¬topic, dynamic prefixes, and some other fun stuff |
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pdurbin |
SoniEx2: send in the bot and let's find out :) |
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SoniEx2 |
eh I can't invite |
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SoniEx2 |
I'll just use the join command |
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pdurbin |
huh. I sent javaeebot and philbot in without needing any kind of invitation... |
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SoniEx2 |
it's connected to 2 networks atm |
| 17:54 |
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SoniEx2 |
and it has dynamic prefixes |
| 17:55 |
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SoniEx2 |
because typing "¬" is a pain, what prefix should I use here? |
| 17:55 |
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SoniEx2 |
(ps I only use that prefix to avoid conflicts on bot channels) |
| 17:57 |
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SoniEx2 |
¬topic |
| 17:57 |
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SExJ |
Core Java (Java SE) AND Java Enterprise Edition (Java EE) discussion | ##javaee-offtopic for all kinds of non-tech chat| logs at http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/today |
| 17:57 |
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SExJ |
Topic set by Quest!~syncsys 202.166.165.50 on 9 Sep 2013 19:51:21 GMT |
| 17:59 |
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SoniEx2 |
¬source |
| 17:59 |
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SExJ |
https://github.com/SoniEx2/SoniJava |
| 17:59 |
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SoniEx2 |
I'm probably doing everything wrong btw :P |
| 18:41 |
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pdurbin |
¬help |
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pdurbin |
¬say foo |
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SExJ |
foo |
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yosan |
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zoot |
tjosan |
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SoniEx2 |
¬cprefix channel add ##javaee -- |
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SoniEx2 |
--say pdurbin: this is probably easier to type |
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SExJ |
pdurbin: this is probably easier to type |
| 19:15 |
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pdurbin |
--say much easier |
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SExJ |
much easier |
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zoot |
--help |
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zoot |
--say hey |
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SExJ |
hey |
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pdurbin |
it's a start :) |
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zoot |
--say --say loop? |
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SExJ |
--say loop? |
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pdurbin |
heh |
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sfisque |
—say —say —say —say —say blah blah blah |
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sfisque |
bah adium changes my double hyphen into a long hyphen |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: you're too fancy for us |
| 20:10 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: I appreciated the cookie at http://echelog.com/logs/browse/netbeans/1383260400 :) |
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sfisque |
:-) |
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SoniEx2 |
¬cprefix channel add ##javaee — |
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SoniEx2 |
sfisque: fixed |
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SoniEx2 |
also my bot died :/ kinda |
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* pdurbin |
weeps |
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SoniEx2 |
lets hope this works |
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sfisque |
—say —say —say blah |
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SExJ |
—say —say blah |
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sfisque |
oh, nifty |
| 21:08 |
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SoniEx2 |
--say test |
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SExJ |
test |
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sfisque |
now if you could have it recursively detect "sub says", then we could have some fun :P |
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SoniEx2 |
¬_¬ |
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pdurbin |
SoniEx2: make it turing complete |
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sfisque |
>.< |
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SoniEx2 |
no bot loops please |
| 21:09 |
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* sfisque |
starts to code a bot that will talk to SExJ and respond to what SExJ responds with.... |
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sfisque |
like putting 2 furbies on the same table and starting one up |
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pdurbin |
anybody doing any android development? |
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sfisque |
yes |
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* sfisque |
raises his hand |
| 21:10 |
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sfisque |
well, did. i finished porting my j2me app to android |
| 21:11 |
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* SoniEx2 |
tells tt to kline sfisque for thinking about doing bot loops and spam |
| 21:11 |
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SoniEx2 |
I mean |
| 21:11 |
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SoniEx2 |
I can do that at any time... |
| 21:11 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: I'm thinking of studying http://sourceforge.net/projects/learnmusicnotes/ to get my head around Android development. Maybe add an option for bass clef (only treble clef is supported) |
| 21:11 |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix get ##GenderQueer |
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SExJ |
No command prefixes for channel ##GenderQueer |
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SoniEx2 |
huh... |
| 21:11 |
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SoniEx2 |
oh wait |
| 21:11 |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix add ##GenderQueer + |
| 21:12 |
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SoniEx2 |
shit I'm doing that wrong |
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sfisque |
since you're fluent in java pdurbin, any android tutorial will do fine. |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix remove ##GenderQueer + |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix channel add ##GenderQueer + |
| 21:12 |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix channel remove ##GenderQueer + |
| 21:12 |
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sfisque |
in fact i found my j2me knowledge kind of "getting in the way" because android does things "differently" |
| 21:12 |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix get ##GenderQueer |
| 21:12 |
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SExJ |
No command prefixes for channel ##GenderQueer |
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SoniEx2 |
huh... |
| 21:13 |
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cem_ |
why there is double # ? |
| 21:14 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: you don't like the idea of improving an existing app? I and others would benefit from a bass clef: http://sourceforge.net/p/learnmusicnotes/feature-requests/7/ |
| 21:14 |
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pdurbin |
(comes up a lot on Play Store reviews too) |
| 21:16 |
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pdurbin |
huh, I'm surprised this is still only "early access preview": http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/studio.html |
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sfisque |
not at all. i'm just saying since you're already fluent in java, any android tutorial would do fine, so your desire to use an open source projecta s a tutorial will probably be quite fine |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix get ##GenderQueer |
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SExJ |
No command prefixes for channel ##genderqueer |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix channel add ##GenderQueer + |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix channel remove ##GenderQueer + |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix get ##GenderQueer |
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SExJ |
No prefixes for channel irc.freenode.org/##genderqueer |
| 21:18 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: the app as a tutorial. right |
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SoniEx2 |
sfisque: so I guess you like my dynamic prefix system? |
| 21:40 |
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sfisque |
soniex2 i have no clue what you are referring to |
| 21:41 |
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SoniEx2 |
the whole --cprefix thing |
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SoniEx2 |
--source /tree/master/src/com/github/soniex2/sonijava/cmd/PrefixCommand.java |
| 21:43 |
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SExJ |
https://github.com/SoniEx2/SoniJava/tree/master/src/com/github/soniex2/sonijava/cmd/PrefixCommand.java |
| 21:43 |
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SoniEx2 |
sfisque: ^ |
| 21:48 |
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cem_ |
i want to make FPS game :) |
| 21:49 |
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sfisque |
so what am i looking at soniex2? |
| 21:49 |
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SoniEx2 |
my prefix manager |
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sfisque |
for? |
| 21:51 |
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SoniEx2 |
for the bot? |
| 21:52 |
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SoniEx2 |
it's just a command that lets you manage the prefixes and stuff, both global and channel |
| 21:53 |
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sfisque |
sure. keep in mind that i'm a chanbot newb so i vaguely get what you're talking about |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: you objected to the prefix of my last bot, which was @ |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix get irc.esper.net/#soni |
| 22:02 |
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SExJ |
'!' |
| 22:02 |
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SoniEx2 |
yay it works :D |
| 22:03 |
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sfisque |
i did? |
| 22:03 |
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pdurbin |
:) |
| 22:03 |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix get stuffy stuff |
| 22:03 |
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SExJ |
'@SExJ ', '@SoniJava ', '¬' |
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pdurbin |
javaeebot doesn't have a prefix |
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javaeebot |
pdurbin: Error: "doesn't" is not a valid command. |
| 22:03 |
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pdurbin |
whoops :) |
| 22:03 |
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sfisque |
oh, i actually did not. i was just pointing out that my client did bad things with "--" |
| 22:03 |
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SoniEx2 |
yes it does |
| 22:03 |
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sfisque |
which interfiered with me mucking with your bot |
| 22:04 |
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sfisque |
javaeebot is the prefix |
| 22:04 |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 22:04 |
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sfisque |
see |
| 22:04 |
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SoniEx2 |
sfisque: you know that's why I added the long hyphen to the prefixes |
| 22:04 |
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sfisque |
javaeebot say javaeebot is my prefex |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: Error: "say" is not a valid command. |
| 22:04 |
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SoniEx2 |
--cprefix get ##javaee |
| 22:04 |
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SExJ |
'--', '—' |
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sfisque |
i figured :-) |
| 22:05 |
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pdurbin |
well, trying to get Android Studio to run on Fedora 19 has been an exercise in frustation |
| 22:05 |
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sfisque |
i was just clarifying that i did not have any judgement, pos or neg to your prefix :-) |
| 22:05 |
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sfisque |
pdurbin just use nbandroid plugin |
| 22:05 |
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SoniEx2 |
@ is an awful prefix |
| 22:06 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: is it any good? |
| 22:06 |
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SoniEx2 |
because some ppl like to write stuff like |
| 22:06 |
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sfisque |
it is "good enough" |
| 22:06 |
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SoniEx2 |
@sfisque <message> |
| 22:06 |
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sfisque |
not densely featured, but it integrates android building and debugging into nb which is all i needed |
| 22:06 |
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SoniEx2 |
and if @ is your factoid prefix... yeah that could get messy... |
| 22:11 |
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* pdurbin |
looks at http://nbandroid.org/wiki/index.php/Installation |
| 22:13 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: this seems fine but I'd probably just as soon set up all the eclipse stuff, which I did before on a different machine a while back |
| 22:14 |
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sfisque |
gotcha |
| 22:14 |
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pdurbin |
especially because the way to migrate an app from eclipse is to export it first |
| 22:14 |
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sfisque |
??? |
| 22:15 |
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pdurbin |
from eclipse to android studio, I mean, the new intellij thing |
| 22:15 |
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sfisque |
oh |
| 22:15 |
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pdurbin |
http://developer.android.com/sdk/installing/migrate.html |
| 22:15 |
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sfisque |
from inside nb, i can build, debug, and export final release version. no need for any externals other than the AVD for running/debugging |
| 22:15 |
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pdurbin |
"to generate gradle build files" |
| 22:16 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: cool. always happy to hear about options |
| 22:17 |
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pdurbin |
when my dad plays Hearts we call him "Option Man" ... you never know if he's running or not :) |
| 22:17 |
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cem_ |
should i make it in swing or applet ? |
| 22:17 |
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sfisque |
lolz |
| 22:18 |
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sfisque |
cem_ make "what" into swing or applet (and btw, the two are not mutually exclusive) |
| 22:19 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: cem_ said he's making a FPS |
| 22:19 |
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sfisque |
OH |
| 22:19 |
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pdurbin |
cem_: SoniEx2 is a game maker |
| 22:19 |
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sfisque |
i would say go native swing if you're going java. browser plugin is only going to slow down the game play and give you UX headaches |
| 22:19 |
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sfisque |
you can release via JWS |
| 22:19 |
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SoniEx2 |
I'm not a game maker |
| 22:20 |
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sfisque |
to keep people's installs upgraded |
| 22:20 |
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SoniEx2 |
but use #lwjgl |
| 22:20 |
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cem_ |
lately i got distracted so i decided to make a game .. I choosed FPS |
| 22:20 |
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SoniEx2 |
cem_: ^ |
| 22:20 |
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sfisque |
i would use whatever jmonkey was using before the project lost steam |
| 22:20 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: swing over javafx? |
| 22:20 |
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sfisque |
they were pretty much at the leading edge of MMO java dev |
| 22:21 |
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sfisque |
he asked swing or applet |
| 22:21 |
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sfisque |
wouldnt javafx still instantiate swing anyway. i thought javafx was just a "meta" tech |
| 22:22 |
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pdurbin |
buh. i thought javafx was the new swing |
| 22:22 |
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sfisque |
javaeebot lucky javafx description mechanics |
| 22:22 |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: https://blogs.oracle.com/java/entry/the_enterprise_side_of_javafx1 |
| 22:23 |
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sfisque |
that's what i thought. javafx -> java is like flex -> actionscript |
| 22:23 |
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sfisque |
it's a "describe the UX" mechanism that you then bind code too |
| 22:23 |
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sfisque |
**ti |
| 22:23 |
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sfisque |
**to |
| 22:24 |
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sfisque |
but i would guess the actual widgets are just swing components, once the meta layer gets "executed" |
| 22:26 |
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sfisque |
it looks like javafx is the "recommended mech" for non-webapp deployments |
| 22:26 |
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sfisque |
so, yeah, if you're not constrained, cem_ to applet, go javafx |
| 22:27 |
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SoniEx2 |
use lwjgl for 3D java games |
| 22:27 |
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sfisque |
it looks like javafx has standard bindings for D3D and opengl directly |
| 22:28 |
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SoniEx2 |
like... with no abstraction? |
| 22:28 |
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sfisque |
via something called Quantum Toolkit |
| 22:28 |
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sfisque |
opengl is already an anbstraction layer |
| 22:28 |
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sfisque |
and so is D3D |
| 22:28 |
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SoniEx2 |
well yeah |
| 22:28 |
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sfisque |
they hide talking to the native graphics drivers |
| 22:28 |
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SoniEx2 |
but you get what I mean |
| 22:28 |
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sfisque |
i do, but i'm not a fan of abtracting alreayd abstraction layers |
| 22:28 |
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sfisque |
creates unnecessary obfuscation |
| 22:29 |
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SoniEx2 |
unless you want obfuscation |
| 22:30 |
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sfisque |
well yes, but that then sends the message that you're siloing, which carries all sorts of connotation with it |
| 22:31 |
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SoniEx2 |
"siloing"? |
| 22:32 |
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pdurbin |
ok, android studio seems to work. it's a 32 bit app so I had to install a bunch of 32 bit libraries on my 64 bit fedora box |
| 22:33 |
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SoniEx2 |
pdurbin: :/ |
| 22:37 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: so I'll probably stick with this. seems to be the future |
| 22:44 |
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sfisque |
gotcha |
| 22:44 |
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pdurbin |
I mean, who knows if I have time for this, but it's fun right now :) |
| 22:45 |
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pdurbin |
plus it gets me into intellij a bit |
| 22:45 |
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sfisque |
that's how i approached my j2me -> android port |
| 22:45 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: the fun of it? |
| 22:45 |
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sfisque |
intellij is nice (at least for a pay IDE) not sure how mature the freebie version is these days |
| 22:45 |
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sfisque |
yah |
| 22:46 |
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pdurbin |
this might get me into gradle too |
| 22:46 |
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sfisque |
my app is freeware, so if i get 1 user who benefits, cool, but i'm not losing any sleep over it |
| 22:46 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: you don't have angry paying customers banging down your door :) |
| 22:46 |
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sfisque |
yub |
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cem_ |
how long it will take to learn frameworks ? |
| 23:15 |
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sfisque |
which one? |
| 23:15 |
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cem_ |
hibernate |
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sfisque |
passingly, a few weeks. intimately, a year |
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