| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
|
tjsnell |
acuzio likes struts |
| 00:00 |
|
whartung |
and yea, I can agree that JS + Jersey is perhaps a better place to move toward for stateless stuff. But it does over complicate it a bit. Struts/JSP IS simple and really straightforward, still… |
| 00:00 |
|
tjsnell |
haha |
| 00:00 |
|
tjsnell |
wow |
| 00:01 |
|
tjsnell |
I couldn't disagree more |
| 00:01 |
|
whartung |
ok |
| 00:02 |
|
sfisque |
struts isn't stuck in the past. it's commodity. solid, works, gets the job done. like i said, if you're doing view based workflows, a component based framework will be an obstacle (e.g. trying to build a site that allows deep linking with jsf is nightmarish) |
| 00:03 |
|
tjsnell |
it's solidly based on design ideas that are no longer in use |
| 00:03 |
|
tjsnell |
it's old hat |
| 00:03 |
|
tjsnell |
sorry |
| 00:03 |
|
whartung |
which ideas are those? |
| 00:05 |
|
Technodrome |
tjsnell: you're classic :) |
| 00:05 |
|
tjsnell |
why can't schlaw speak? was he bad? |
| 00:06 |
|
tjsnell |
Technodrome: OK |
| 00:06 |
|
Technodrome |
you keep repeating FUD, even if you have worked on those frameworks, webWorks was *praised* for being modern and *extremely* similar to spring MVC, the minute it gets branded as struts, it's an old POS |
| 00:06 |
|
tjsnell |
OK |
| 00:06 |
|
tjsnell |
if you say so |
| 00:06 |
|
Technodrome |
if you like component better and things like GWT that's different |
| 00:06 |
|
Technodrome |
some people hate all view based work flows |
| 00:07 |
|
tjsnell |
as I said, I've got code in struts2 |
| 00:07 |
|
tjsnell |
you? |
| 00:07 |
|
tjsnell |
as in if you use struts you're using some of my code |
| 00:07 |
|
tjsnell |
I know this stuff |
| 00:07 |
|
sfisque |
so, then, what would you recommend for a view based framework "if struts is POS"? |
| 00:07 |
|
tjsnell |
I wouldn't |
| 00:07 |
|
tjsnell |
I'm just spreading fud |
| 00:08 |
|
whartung |
he discounts the entire idiom today. |
| 00:08 |
|
whartung |
seems to... |
| 00:08 |
|
tjsnell |
haha |
| 00:09 |
|
grug |
why wouldn't you use something like angular for the front end and a jersey backend? |
| 00:09 |
|
tjsnell |
ad hominem and saying I said things I didn't |
| 00:09 |
|
tjsnell |
great debate tactics |
| 00:09 |
|
tjsnell |
that's why I've bailed out |
| 00:09 |
|
whartung |
was I mistaken tjsnell ? Didn'tmean to be. |
| 00:10 |
|
Technodrome |
as I mentioned tjsnell is classic |
| 00:10 |
|
tjsnell |
I never said anything negative about viewbase |
| 00:10 |
|
Technodrome |
you have to give him that label |
| 00:10 |
|
tjsnell |
d |
| 00:10 |
|
tjsnell |
I thought personal attacks (even veiled) weren't allowed here |
| 00:11 |
|
tjsnell |
Technodrome: if that's all you got, you lose |
| 00:11 |
|
Technodrome |
all I said , is you are classic |
| 00:12 |
|
tjsnell |
and that I was spreading FUD |
| 00:12 |
|
Technodrome |
in #java you attack everyone and are a very argumentative person |
| 00:12 |
|
tjsnell |
i haven't attacked anyone here |
| 00:12 |
|
Technodrome |
and I don't mean that as a personal attack at all |
| 00:12 |
|
Technodrome |
but i've watched you for years on these channels |
| 00:12 |
|
tjsnell |
I was staying on topic talking the technology and you throw the fud insult at me |
| 00:13 |
|
tjsnell |
but since this has turned to being about me and not the tech I'll bow out |
| 00:13 |
|
tjsnell |
have fun |
| 00:13 |
|
Technodrome |
you are not unique with the FUD , many people say it |
| 00:13 |
|
tjsnell |
the insult continues |
| 00:13 |
|
tjsnell |
heh |
| 00:15 |
|
Technodrome |
now you try to reverse it tjsnell, again, i'm not attacking at all, its not my nature I never do, spend hours reading my logs if you like. You commonly *never* agree, and when things really don't go your way, you ban |
| 00:15 |
|
Technodrome |
but we can agree to disagree, happiness is key |
| 00:15 |
|
tjsnell |
I'm not, you claimed FUD by saying I was arguing a point I never did |
| 00:15 |
|
tjsnell |
and continue to do so instead of debating the tech |
| 00:16 |
|
tjsnell |
and continue to make it personal and not about the tech |
| 00:16 |
|
* tjsnell |
shrugs |
| 00:16 |
|
tjsnell |
this isn't the place |
| 00:16 |
|
Technodrome |
agree to disagree, we can all be friends tjsnell |
| 00:17 |
|
tjsnell |
not if you continue the insults and personal attacks |
| 00:17 |
|
tjsnell |
your choice |
| 00:17 |
|
Technodrome |
my choice? |
| 00:18 |
|
Technodrome |
goodness gracious man, can you seriously just not argue so much tjsnell ? Please, you just are always hostile, always , i've never seen you as a normal respectful person, just on irc of course |
| 00:20 |
|
tjsnell |
I still haven't been hostile to anyone here |
| 00:20 |
|
Technodrome |
tjsnell: as i said, we can just put it behind us :) , <3 |
| 00:20 |
|
tjsnell |
I am only responding |
| 00:21 |
|
schlaw |
thank you whartung !! |
| 00:21 |
|
whartung |
it works! |
| 00:21 |
|
tjsnell |
schlaw! |
| 00:21 |
|
schlaw |
omg thank you i wanted to say so muchhh |
| 00:21 |
|
whartung |
but…now he's not in the room O.o |
| 00:21 |
|
* whartung |
can't even spell IRC |
| 00:22 |
|
schlaw |
guys i wanted to ask about struts but ur moved on |
| 00:22 |
|
schlaw |
i will wait |
| 00:26 |
|
Technodrome |
schlaw: just refer to it as Web Works and everything will be fine :) |
| 00:27 |
|
tjsnell |
fine for who? |
| 00:27 |
|
tjsnell |
all these weird accusations and insinuations makes for poor debate |
| 00:28 |
|
schlaw |
i was wondering when it would support the ajax |
| 00:28 |
|
whartung |
I would submit that it does already |
| 00:28 |
|
whartung |
what's to support? |
| 00:28 |
|
schlaw |
like in asp.net we have an ajax panel |
| 00:28 |
|
whartung |
(Well, I don't know if it support HTTP verbs -- Stripes doesn't) |
| 00:29 |
|
whartung |
I don't know what that means |
| 00:29 |
|
schlaw |
i don't think struts supports that |
| 00:29 |
|
schlaw |
or webworks soz |
| 00:30 |
|
Technodrome |
tjsnell: it was meant as a joke, not targeted towards you |
| 00:31 |
|
schlaw |
guys is there an ide that lets you drag the ajax panel |
| 00:31 |
|
schlaw |
i find java so weird |
| 00:31 |
|
whartung |
I don't even know what a ajax panel is... |
| 00:31 |
|
whartung |
anyway, no matter. |
| 00:32 |
|
whartung |
Off to Philly for 3 days…tty'all then... |
| 00:32 |
|
tjsnell |
enjoy |
| 00:33 |
|
schlaw |
how can i call an ejb with curl in php |
| 00:34 |
|
whartung |
facade it with a Servlet, annotate it with @WebService and call it with SOAP. Not sure if you can use JAX-RS annotations on EJBs in JEE 7 or not. |
| 00:35 |
|
schlaw |
how do i know what to make the xml |
| 00:36 |
|
schlaw |
can i use yaml to call the services |
| 00:36 |
|
sfisque |
@WebService is jax-ws in EE5/6 assume its same in 7 |
| 00:36 |
|
crimsonfubot |
sfisque: Error: "WebService" is not a valid command. |
| 00:36 |
|
sfisque |
@WebService is jax-ws in EE5/6 assume its same in 7 |
| 00:36 |
|
schlaw |
do i put that after java -jar |
| 00:37 |
|
schlaw |
it's a shell variable right |
| 00:37 |
|
schlaw |
i have ejb.jar on my classpath, how do i call it from php |
| 00:41 |
|
schlaw |
nothing here is working |
| 00:43 |
|
schlaw |
anyone? |
| 00:55 |
|
|
SoniEx2 joined ##javaee |
| 00:56 |
|
schlaw |
SoniEx2: any ideas? |
| 00:56 |
|
SoniEx2 |
I don't use Java EE |
| 00:56 |
|
SoniEx2 |
I'm only here because ##java isn't friendly |
| 00:57 |
|
schlaw |
how did you get in there? |
| 00:58 |
|
SoniEx2 |
nickserv? |
| 00:58 |
|
grug |
SoniEx2: how are they not friendly? |
| 00:58 |
|
schlaw |
i wish i could get in |
| 01:00 |
|
schlaw |
is anyone who wrote java ee in this channel? |
| 01:04 |
|
Technodrome |
SoniEx2: you nailed it, #java is the most unfriendly channel on free node that i've ever ran into |
| 01:04 |
|
Technodrome |
its full of people who hate Java, which is crazy in itself |
| 01:05 |
|
sfisque |
negative schlaw, we're all posers in here |
| 01:05 |
|
sfisque |
JK |
| 01:05 |
|
grug |
Technodrome: you couldn't be more wrong. |
| 01:05 |
|
grug |
you're confusing "unfriendly" with "aren't willing to help those who can't help themselves" |
| 01:05 |
|
Technodrome |
i see in the #freenode channel, people all the time complaining |
| 01:06 |
|
Technodrome |
and no, many people there themselves don't know Java hardly at all |
| 01:06 |
|
schlaw |
i don't understand how to use jms |
| 01:06 |
|
Technodrome |
so they troll you to death , and then ban you, i see it happen all the time grug |
| 01:06 |
|
schlaw |
does anyone access java ee from php |
| 01:06 |
|
grug |
Technodrome: incorrect |
| 01:07 |
|
Technodrome |
grug: are you an op in there? |
| 01:07 |
|
Technodrome |
grug: read the logs of #freenode, its definitely one of the most talked about channels there, there is days you can see 2-5 people getting banned in one hour |
| 01:07 |
|
sfisque |
JMS is a technology for sending/receiving messages. it's a little unapproachable until you build up the infrastructure (MQ server + container configuration) |
| 01:07 |
|
schlaw |
how do i get in there |
| 01:08 |
|
schlaw |
my boss said to use it to call ejbs from php |
| 01:08 |
|
schlaw |
i'm so confus |
| 01:08 |
|
Technodrome |
i got banned once for i guess a day or so, because I said Play was not a real java technology in my eyes because its not built on the servlet api , its a whole new world all by itself grug |
| 01:09 |
|
Technodrome |
schlaw: http://quercus.caucho.com/ this could help |
| 01:09 |
|
tjsnell |
who in ##java hates java? |
| 01:10 |
|
grug |
Technodrome: i'm not an op in there - i can understand the bans for moronic comments like that, though because i assume you argued it with someone who actually knew what they were talking about |
| 01:10 |
|
Technodrome |
i just made a single comment about it, to someone who raised a similar notion tjsnell , it is my opinion, i'm not name dropping etc |
| 01:10 |
|
Technodrome |
grug: lol |
| 01:10 |
|
tjsnell |
you're free with the vague accusations and insults |
| 01:10 |
|
tjsnell |
pot meet kettle eh? |
| 01:10 |
|
Technodrome |
no |
| 01:10 |
|
tjsnell |
yes |
| 01:11 |
|
Technodrome |
listen to you |
| 01:11 |
|
tjsnell |
haha |
| 01:11 |
|
schlaw |
why is irc like this |
| 01:11 |
|
Technodrome |
it is *my* opinion that Play is not a part of the standard Java world |
| 01:11 |
|
tjsnell |
fine by me |
| 01:11 |
|
tjsnell |
who in ##java hates java? |
| 01:11 |
|
Technodrome |
it's not built on the Servlet api, nothing EE about it, and i don't think it will get much enterprise usage |
| 01:11 |
|
tjsnell |
fine by me |
| 01:12 |
|
Technodrome |
that is my opinion, and I think it could almost stand as something very close to a fact, when you look at the reality of the situation |
| 01:12 |
|
tjsnell |
who in ##java hates java? |
| 01:12 |
|
Technodrome |
on the java forums, there is not much play love, in the java channels on free node, there is |
| 01:12 |
|
Technodrome |
tjsnell: i'm not going into it |
| 01:12 |
|
tjsnell |
you brought it up, I'm curious |
| 01:13 |
|
Technodrome |
i just open the channel, and I see tons of people getting banned all the time |
| 01:13 |
|
tjsnell |
and I think play is a dead end too really :) |
| 01:13 |
|
Technodrome |
that's my only gripe, and for things that are just uncalled for |
| 01:13 |
|
tjsnell |
getting banned = hating java? |
| 01:13 |
|
schlaw |
how can u join #java |
| 01:13 |
|
tjsnell |
/join ##java |
| 01:13 |
|
Technodrome |
yes, when half the channel is hating on all the EE stuff, down talking oracle 24/7 , saying how evil and bad it is, how they are loosing interest in java, and the only framework they will use is Play? |
| 01:13 |
|
schlaw |
it doesn't work for me |
| 01:13 |
|
Technodrome |
tjsnell: sound familiar? |
| 01:14 |
|
tjsnell |
no |
| 01:14 |
|
tjsnell |
I don't see it |
| 01:14 |
|
Technodrome |
i'm not biased, i could careless |
| 01:14 |
|
Technodrome |
tjsnell: you a a major part of the problem |
| 01:14 |
|
sfisque |
i wouldnt go that far tjs, but from what i gather on their site, it's a specific deployment concept. not really geared for "e-commerce" model, more consumption based delivery system |
| 01:14 |
|
tjsnell |
java haters typically get the boot fast |
| 01:14 |
|
schlaw |
i think u mean you couldn't care less |
| 01:14 |
|
tjsnell |
more on the personal attacks, where are the ops? |
| 01:15 |
|
Technodrome |
that is not a personal attack |
| 01:15 |
|
tjsnell |
schlaw: I could! |
| 01:15 |
|
Technodrome |
you should know all about them tjsnell |
| 01:15 |
|
tjsnell |
what? I'm a major part of the problem but that's not personal? |
| 01:15 |
|
* tjsnell |
boggles |
| 01:15 |
|
schlaw |
is there anywhere on the internet where u can get java help |
| 01:15 |
|
Technodrome |
tjsnell: i've saw you ban so many people for nothing |
| 01:15 |
|
tjsnell |
schlaw: efnet |
| 01:15 |
|
Technodrome |
but its ok, its irc dude tjsnell |
| 01:15 |
|
schlaw |
is that a channel |
| 01:15 |
|
sfisque |
it would only be personal if it's an opinion and not backed up with fact. so we're at an impass atm |
| 01:15 |
|
Technodrome |
tjsnell: just 2 weeks ago, you went on a ban rampage, and people were pm'ing me about it |
| 01:15 |
|
* tjsnell |
notes he's not attacked anyone here which is following the rules |
| 01:16 |
|
tjsnell |
people pm you when I ban someone? |
| 01:16 |
|
tjsnell |
why? |
| 01:16 |
|
Technodrome |
and all you keep trying to do is reverse it like i'm the aggressor, a common tactic man, call the man a troll first etc, it's childish games |
| 01:16 |
|
tjsnell |
I have not attacked you yet |
| 01:16 |
|
schlaw |
guys do u talk java here ever |
| 01:16 |
|
Technodrome |
sure you have tjsnell |
| 01:16 |
|
tjsnell |
I have only responded to your accusations |
| 01:17 |
|
sfisque |
tech, tjs - take this to /msg if you have to continue it |
| 01:17 |
|
Technodrome |
tjsnell: don't you remember me at all, or do you down play everyone that is all blends together? |
| 01:17 |
|
tjsnell |
I'm talking about here |
| 01:17 |
|
tjsnell |
I'm talking about the rules for this channel |
| 01:17 |
|
Technodrome |
yes sorry, its hard for me to look at *you* in this channel as any different, although i'm trying |
| 01:17 |
|
tjsnell |
thanks |
| 01:18 |
|
schlaw |
what protocol do i talk to ejbs with |
| 01:18 |
|
Technodrome |
i never jump on anyones train, or hate on anyone, or be sarcastic, but you do that man, and then you go, oh its not a personal attack, and then when someone does sayt something to you, you are the first one to call that a personal attack , again, the reverse troll tactic or whatever you want to call it tjsnell |
| 01:18 |
|
sfisque |
and schlaw, yes. there are times when it's quiet and there are times when we ponder interesting things like CDI injection in @Asynch methods |
| 01:18 |
|
schlaw |
this architect is MAKING ME MAD |
| 01:18 |
|
Technodrome |
but again, i never start beef, just be easy tjsnell |
| 01:18 |
|
tjsnell |
heh, you've been attacking me here all night |
| 01:18 |
|
schlaw |
guys do you like dancing |
| 01:18 |
|
tjsnell |
I didn't start that |
| 01:19 |
|
* tjsnell |
twerks with schlaw |
| 01:19 |
|
sfisque |
ok, once more, tech, tjs, if you want ot continue debating this, take it /msg |
| 01:19 |
|
pdurbin |
+1 |
| 01:20 |
|
tjsnell |
I only respond |
| 01:20 |
|
tjsnell |
I'm not allowed to respond to allegations and attacks? I haven't started any |
| 01:20 |
|
tjsnell |
storry |
| 01:20 |
|
tjsnell |
sorry |
| 01:20 |
|
sfisque |
i did not ask for an explanation |
| 01:20 |
|
sfisque |
i stated |
| 01:20 |
|
tjsnell |
I volunteered it |
| 01:21 |
|
tjsnell |
and asked a question |
| 01:21 |
|
schlaw |
tjsnell u seem like u want trouble maybe just idle moar |
| 01:21 |
|
schlaw |
otherwise help me |
| 01:21 |
|
tjsnell |
I try to be very careful here, that's why I only responded and having initiated anything |
| 01:21 |
|
tjsnell |
sorry |
| 01:22 |
|
sfisque |
so schlaw back to your ?. i've not specifically used php to consume EE, but i'm assuming, if you have a php lib that can talk to your ee, either via RMI, REST, CORBA, JMS, etc. then it should be just a trip through the docs of that library |
| 01:22 |
|
schlaw |
why doesn't this guy get a ban and i ask a real question of u and get silenced |
| 01:23 |
|
sfisque |
i am unaware how that happened. it is unfortunate, but it has been alleviated |
| 01:23 |
|
pdurbin |
sfisque: that makes sense |
| 01:23 |
|
schlaw |
i don't understand why this is so hard |
| 01:24 |
|
sfisque |
well, you're wiring up two separate techs. there is always going to be some "glue work" to be done |
| 01:24 |
|
pdurbin |
hence why REST is so popular |
| 01:24 |
|
schlaw |
can i use yaml with rest |
| 01:24 |
|
tjsnell |
if you like |
| 01:24 |
|
pdurbin |
schlaw: sure. Puppet has YAML-based REST APIs |
| 01:25 |
|
tjsnell |
it's really unusual though |
| 01:25 |
|
schlaw |
but for the jbs |
| 01:25 |
|
schlaw |
nobody ever explains what the javabeans are |
| 01:25 |
|
sfisque |
in a nutshell... |
| 01:25 |
|
sfisque |
an EJB is a transaction boundary |
| 01:26 |
|
schlaw |
i have to use this caml library |
| 01:26 |
|
sfisque |
if you're going to do something that requires some form of ACID with rollback/commit features, you're going to do it in an EJB |
| 01:26 |
|
sfisque |
otherwise, using an EJB is overkill |
| 01:26 |
|
tjsnell |
you can do ACID without EJB if you like too |
| 01:26 |
|
schlaw |
the ejbs are already there but the caml library has the entities |
| 01:26 |
|
schlaw |
and i have php and i want to serialize the caml things to rest |
| 01:27 |
|
schlaw |
or ejb whatever |
| 01:27 |
|
schlaw |
i'm so confused |
| 01:27 |
|
sfisque |
true tjs, but his question was based on talking to an EE layer |
| 01:27 |
|
schlaw |
in php i want to go to the federated saml provider |
| 01:27 |
|
sfisque |
the real question is. ultimately, what problem are you solving and then you can decide what techs will solve what parts |
| 01:28 |
|
schlaw |
serialize my caml entities |
| 01:28 |
|
schlaw |
and then with rest or ejbs call an ejb |
| 01:28 |
|
schlaw |
starting in php |
| 01:28 |
|
sfisque |
if you're serializing to a file, you'll need a JCA adapter (so you can run XA transactions to handle the file/io) |
| 01:28 |
|
SoniEx2 |
back |
| 01:28 |
|
schlaw |
where does caml fit in |
| 01:29 |
|
sfisque |
if you're serializing to a db (either split into columns or as a blob) then you'll need an EJB transaction against a db (JDBC,JPA, etc.) |
| 01:29 |
|
SoniEx2 |
Technodrome: tjsnell banned me from ##java for having an opinion... |
| 01:29 |
|
tjsnell |
that's off topic here |
| 01:29 |
|
tjsnell |
maybe ##javaee-offtopic? |
| 01:30 |
|
schlaw |
okay, let's make this easy |
| 01:30 |
|
schlaw |
how do i make rest serialize the caml |
| 01:30 |
|
schlaw |
that would be a start |
| 01:30 |
|
SoniEx2 |
sfisque: is backseat moderation allowed in here? |
| 01:31 |
|
sfisque |
i would posit that you can always make "suggestions" via /msg |
| 01:31 |
|
sfisque |
whether an ops decides it's a good idea, is up to them |
| 01:31 |
|
schlaw |
what library makes YAML with CAML |
| 01:31 |
|
SoniEx2 |
no I mean tjsnell is backseat moderating |
| 01:32 |
|
tjsnell |
I'm I not allowed to respond to comments about me here? |
| 01:32 |
|
tjsnell |
I'm not initiating any off topic chatter |
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schlaw |
holy shit u guys can you stop feeding this troll and help me |
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grug |
hahahahahhha i just read the conversation that you got banned for SoniEx2 |
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grug |
you were the guy who did the "refactoring" |
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grug |
oh christ |
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schlaw |
grug: shut your mouth if you have nothing constructive |
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SoniEx2 |
IMHO public final fields should be used when possible |
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schlaw |
where can people get help with this online |
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SoniEx2 |
that's my opinion |
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SoniEx2 |
I got banned for having an opinion about that |
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schlaw |
you people are making me maddddd!!!1 |
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SoniEx2 |
schlaw: there's this thing called /ignore... |
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schlaw |
why are u using it |
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SoniEx2 |
I'm not... |
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schlaw |
guys i'm just trying to do this for my customers |
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SoniEx2 |
but if you get mad at everyone... yeah you should use it... |
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pdurbin |
schlaw: what's the name of the caml php library you're using? |
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schlaw |
no it's a caml library in caml |
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schlaw |
in php i need to read those entities and make them into yaml |
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schlaw |
and then call an ejb |
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schlaw |
the sales data is in caml |
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SoniEx2 |
... calm down... |
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schlaw |
but i also need the saml token |
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schlaw |
from the federator |
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schlaw |
how can i read a the securid token from php |
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schlaw |
this just seems wrong |
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schlaw |
CAN SOMEONE JSUT TELL ME WHAT PROTOCOL THE JEBS ARE |
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SoniEx2 |
yeah I'm not sure if telling you to calm down is going to make any difference... :/ |
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schlaw |
this is why java will never be popular |
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schlaw |
it's stupid and overly complex |
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schlaw |
and nobody can help u with it |
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SoniEx2 |
lies. |
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schlaw |
okay SoniEx2 what protocol is the jebs? |
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schlaw |
ejbs* |
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SoniEx2 |
I don't know... I don't use Java EE... |
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schlaw |
you and nobody else |
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schlaw |
i have to do this by wednesday |
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schlaw |
i feel like some1 has set me up 2 fail |
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schlaw |
nobody can even define a jebs let alone tell me how to call it |
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SoniEx2 |
ever heard of google? |
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schlaw |
if i hadn't googled do u think i'd be here? |
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SoniEx2 |
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ejbs+protocol |
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schlaw |
/ignore |
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schlaw |
you're useless what are u doing in a java ee channel |
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schlaw |
ur probs like 14 |
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SoniEx2 |
schlaw: and you're a troll... |
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* schlaw |
sighs |
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schlaw |
fuck this channel |
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SoniEx2 |
and I'm not even voiced... |
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schlaw |
yeah i had to be voiced to speak in this channel so much for support |
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schlaw |
lots of good that did me |
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SoniEx2 |
I'm not sure why I still bother to speak to you... |
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schlaw |
me neither because you are now on /ignore |
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SoniEx2 |
sfisque: could you help me? |
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schlaw |
and you can stop |
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schlaw |
why even be here if you can't even know basic java ee |
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schlaw |
Fubar^:, sfisque, whartung do u know java ee and can help me? |
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schlaw |
fuck this irc |
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SoniEx2 |
I can see someone going to #freenode and saying "fuck freenode" very soon... |
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schlaw |
you're on /ignore shut up |
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grug |
hahaha why mode +i |
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sfisque |
why not? |
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tjsnell |
why? |
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grug |
it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense |
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grug |
you'll never catch evil ##java's 400 users with +i |
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Quest |
who made the channel invite only with +i ? |
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tjsnell |
not me! |
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Quest |
I have faith in you. :) |
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tjsnell |
it helps that I don't have the power to do so :) |
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Quest |
thats why I have faith :) |
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grug |
http://masoodahmad.com/resume/ |
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grug |
i would definitely hire this person |
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Quest |
Not Found |
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Quest |
The requested URL /resume/ was not found on this server. |
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grug |
try again |
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Quest |
grug, by the way, what was so special about this guy |
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grug |
oh hang on it's been taken down |
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grug |
fortunately i still have it up so i can copy paste |
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Quest |
grug, you cache makes it up. other wise its not |
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Quest |
grug, by the way, what was so special about this guy |
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Quest |
grug, i know him as a side note |
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grug |
Quest: http://puu.sh/4to6x.png http://puu.sh/4to6Z.png http://puu.sh/4to7g.png |
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grug |
Quest: it's just funny - i don't know how anyone would take him seriously |
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Quest |
well our company did took him :) |
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Quest |
he is my junior dev here |
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grug |
wait - you get paid to program? |
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Quest |
me. yes. I am a dev . and on job |
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Quest |
grug, and you should not make fun of other people. |
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grug |
found the cached version |
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grug |
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:U0jLRdK5gu8J:masoodahmad.com/resume/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=firefox-a |
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Quest |
....... it online any way. and dont make fun of people. I find his CV layout better than my CV by the way |
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fr0ggler |
hey guys! |
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acuzio |
is Quest here ? |
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tjsnell |
fr0ggler! |
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acuzio |
fr0ggler ? |
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acuzio |
and tjsnell dont create any trouble here - this is a good channel |
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tjsnell |
I never do and never have |
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scoob_ |
hi i'm having some trouble compiling a simple servlet that imports a package. for some reason i run javac -cp <path_to_package_foo>:<path_to_servlet-api.jar> MyServlet.java, javac complains that it can't find package_foo. Any ideas? I can get it to compile fine if I remove class Bar from package foo. I've tried setting classpath and that hasn't worked either |
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tjsnell |
what's path_to_package_foo set to and what dir is foo in? |
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tjsnell |
what do you mean remove it from Bar? |
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tjsnell |
and BTW - the convention for package names is all lowercase |
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acuzio |
yes but convetions are so *conventional* |
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acuzio |
they are boring |
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scoob_ |
I have CLASSPATH=$HOME/tomcat/WEB-INF/classes |
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scoob_ |
WEB-INF/classes/servlet-api.jar |
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scoob_ |
WEB-INF/classes/counter/Counter.java |
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tjsnell |
wow |
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scoob_ |
WEB-INF/classes/CounterServlet.java |
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tjsnell |
not a great convention there |
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scoob_ |
I understand i'm just trying to understand how the packages work |
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acuzio |
scoob_: Ok , so what happens next |
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scoob_ |
i have import counter.*; in CounterServlet.java |
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tjsnell |
files have to be in a directory that matches their package name |
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scoob_ |
and javac can find my Counter class perfectly fine |
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scoob_ |
but complains that it can't find servlet-api.jar stuff |
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tjsnell |
for if you have package foo.bar; and that's the package for Counter the directory is classes/foo/bar/Counter.java |
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tjsnell |
scoob_: because it's package is counter |
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acuzio |
counter to what ? |
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scoob_ |
so why is javac failing to import from my servlet-api.jar? I don't understand |
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scoob_ |
and if i do javac -cp servlet-api.jar it complains it can't find package count. |
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scoob_ |
Can I not compile from a .jar and a seperate package? |
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acuzio |
of course you can |
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tjsnell |
scoob_: google java getting started |
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tjsnell |
and find the trail on using the classpath |
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scoob_ |
i have the classpath set already |
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tjsnell |
you have a bunch of misunderstandings and that should help |
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tjsnell |
not correctly |
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tjsnell |
you don't understand classpath |
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tjsnell |
or packages |
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scoob_ |
ok ill take a look at it |
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tjsnell |
the tutorial will save you on both topics I think |
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scoob_ |
the problem was I was trying to use javac -cp and only giving the path to the .jar file assuming that it javac would still look in env CLASSPATH but this is not the case |
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scoob_ |
thanks for the help |
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acuzio |
scoob_: tell us how it works , i am keen to learn |
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fr0ggler |
ooh get you guys |
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scoob_ |
acuzio, javac will look in env var CLASSPATH for packages to import. So when you tell javac -cp it says okay I am going to ignore CLASSPATH and use the one you gave me |
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scoob_ |
that's where my confusion came in, I assumed it would still check your env var CLASSPATH |
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acuzio |
Quest: whats +vv ? |
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acuzio |
scoob_: so is it working now ? |
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grug |
why did you ban him? |
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grug |
he didnt do anything wrong |
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fr0ggler |
hahah |
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tjsnell |
it's the future irc crime division, they flagged him as a future trouble maker |
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grug |
they're getting good at that! |
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fr0ggler |
"they're" |
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acuzio |
how come you are still here tjsnell ? why are you not banned ? |
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grug |
oh christ |
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fr0ggler |
how come anyone useful is still in here? |
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grug |
that was terrible grammar! |
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grug |
i should get banned for that! |
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fr0ggler |
huh? |
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fr0ggler |
i wasn't correcting you |
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grug |
oh woops :P |
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grug |
it's late :P |
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yawns |
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tjsnell |
crickets |
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sfisque |
nothing wrong with a little silence |
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tjsnell |
wasn't complaining |
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shoky |
eurmie |
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Guest97193 |
shoky, whats eurmie? |
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tjsnell |
are you dreamreal? |
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Quest |
who is? |
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tjsnell |
I was asking shoky |
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Quest |
people are known by their nicks. famed or defamed. dreamreal has none here with its nick |
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Quest |
tjsnell, so looks like quite in room and all are boring up? |
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tjsnell |
it's been a quiet day |
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Quest |
tjsnell, what are you currently working on, in java? |
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Quest |
ya |
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tjsnell |
at work implementing some SOA stuff for an insurance company |
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tjsnell |
and working with a healthcare company and their systems |
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Quest |
SOA ? |
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tjsnell |
in my spare time, it's usually apache camel |
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tjsnell |
Service Oriented Architecture |
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Quest |
oh |
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shoky |
it's not ungh, it's not erm, it's not uhh, it's eurmie |
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sfisque |
which healthcare company tjs? |
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tjsnell |
PeraHealth |
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sfisque |
ah. not familiar with them |
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tjsnell |
who has a wide variety of hospitals as customers |
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tjsnell |
small |
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Quest |
I am also linked with accurefference |
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