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onr |
what do you use for SQL development? |
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onr |
or, 'database' development in general |
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pdurbin |
onr: we use JPA (EclipseLink) to talk to PostgreSQL |
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personally, JPA -> Hibernate (Jboss) -> MySQL |
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sfisque |
at work here, JPA -> Eclipselink (Glassfish) -> Oracle / SQL Server |
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Quest |
can I use spring core 3.2.x but use spring security 3.1.x as the latest production release of spring sec is 3.1.x ? |
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whartung |
dunno, is there a spring channel somewhere? |
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Quest |
there is. but almost dead |
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whartung |
I think some here use spring, and not to be a channel nazi at all, but, spring != java ee, so…maybe not much luck with that question here |
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Quest |
nazi ? |
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Quest |
hm. ya. |
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whartung |
pounding the desk, screaming OFF TOPIC! make rude emoticons... |
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Quest |
whartung, so isnt it very difficult to do all that what frameworks do, like spring, that be done in plain javaee? |
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Quest |
as i have no idea how / why people (you too) advocate plain javaee over frameworks |
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whartung |
not really, not today. There's some things spring does "more" (spring security is more robust in terms of features in a "one stop shopping" perspective, but it can all be done in jee - we do it. |
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Quest |
whartung, it can all be done in just servlets yes. I used to do it once. but isnt using plain jee much much difficult . well lengthy i should say. and you have to do it for every app |
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Quest |
frameworks are just made by some pom.xml and template daos |
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Quest |
thats it for getting it started |
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whartung |
ya know, where I come from we're able to actually reuse code that we've written before. |
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Quest |
still isnt it lengthy? |
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whartung |
all of our apps share a common core library that handles all sorts of things |
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Quest |
whartung, you are talking about the old fashion way right? where requests are forwarded (dispatched) many times. raw hard coding? |
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whartung |
sure, but like anything it was developed incrementally over time. |
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whartung |
we use the Stripes Action framework -- that makes our web apps pretty easy. |
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whartung |
we're also using JAX-RS for some HTTP web services. |
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whartung |
we don't use JSF |
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Quest |
hm |
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whartung |
(JAX-RS and JSF are both part of JEE) |
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Quest |
jsf is jee standard. any comments about that? |
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whartung |
JSF gets rave reviews by many, I personally am not a fan of component frameworks (of which JSF is one). |
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Quest |
jsf is component based and thus would never by faster that a request / response model like spring./ struts |
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Quest |
whartung, why you are not a fan? |
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whartung |
but I'm sure if I had spent as much time working with JSF as I have with action frameworks, I'd be just as capable. |
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whartung |
they're overly complicated for the web. |
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whartung |
I like the web request -> response metaphor. I like the stateless aspect of requests. |
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whartung |
component frameworks are completely contrary to that |
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whartung |
that said |
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Quest |
hm |
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whartung |
action framework makes super gui rich apps harder to make. |
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* Quest |
have same feelings |
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whartung |
have to run bbl |
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Quest |
see you! |
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Naros |
Quest: Which precise version of Spring Security? |
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Quest |
3.1.4 |
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Naros |
Let me check. |
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Quest |
Latest GA release: 3.1.4.RELEASE |
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Quest |
http://www.springsource.org/download/community |
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Naros |
https://jira.springsource.org/browse/SEC#selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project:changelog-panel&allVersions=true |
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Quest |
I asked because in sec, its the latest. and core is Latest GA release: 3.2.3.RELEASE |
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Naros |
We use 3.1.3 with 3.2.3 without issues here. |
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Quest |
iam afraid though. new devs should be |
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Naros |
They will work happily together. 3.1.4 of SSEC only added OSGI container support for Spring 3.2.0 |
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Quest |
hm. |
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Naros |
What J2EE container are you using? |
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Quest |
i hope different versions of core and sec wont messup with each other |
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Quest |
Naros, tomcat but will shift to jboss |
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Naros |
you'll be OK |
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Naros |
3.1.4 + 3.2.3 = OK |
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Quest |
okie dokie |
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Naros |
alright, off to a late lunch. be back in an hour or so. |
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Quest |
see you! |
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caverdude |
hello |
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Naros |
caverdude: hello |
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caverdude |
sup Naros |
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caverdude |
wanna fix a few bugs for me on this project http://www.sf.net/projects/javaledger ha |
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* Naros |
giggles. |
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Naros |
If i weren't swamped in this huge refactor, sure :P |
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caverdude |
ya refactors can be a bitch |
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caverdude |
its almost seems like you are getting nothing done |
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Naros |
Well I generally target one package at a time when I do refactors like this. |
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Naros |
test and move to next package. |
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caverdude |
ya |
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Naros |
I'm about 70% done with removing this old legacy functionality for multi-lingual text |
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Naros |
problem is I find these strange lines of code in the DAOs and I have to stop myself from wanting to fix those too :P |
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caverdude |
DAO? |
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Naros |
Data Access Objects. |
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caverdude |
ah |
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caverdude |
if its not broken don't fix it |
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caverdude |
ha |
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Naros |
true, but I have this OCD twitch that cringes when code doesn't comfort to the the remainder of the repository :P |
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Naros |
*conform |
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caverdude |
yes |
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caverdude |
consistance is important |
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caverdude |
consistancy |
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