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| 04:47 |
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mr_lou |
pdurbin, I'm still curious to hear about platforms that can live up to all my other wishes. |
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mr_lou |
Time to go to work. Later. |
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| 18:33 |
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aditsu |
mr_lou: well, any cross-platform language/framework that can handle video and audio can help .. how about python? :) |
| 18:40 |
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mr_lou |
aditsu, So you'd create an executable for multiple platforms? |
| 18:40 |
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mr_lou |
Why not use Java then? |
| 18:41 |
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aditsu |
you already considered java and it already matches pretty much all your other wishes |
| 18:41 |
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mr_lou |
Except it would still be a 24 gb download. |
| 18:41 |
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mr_lou |
- which many people complain about. |
| 18:41 |
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mr_lou |
They want it to be an online thing. |
| 18:42 |
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aditsu |
embed youtube videos :) |
| 18:42 |
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mr_lou |
With Kodi v18 it can be an online thing without requiring any additional work. |
| 18:43 |
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mr_lou |
Nah, don't want to use different services. |
| 18:43 |
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aditsu |
then stream from your site |
| 18:43 |
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mr_lou |
Yea... but might as well just refer to Kodi then. |
| 18:44 |
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mr_lou |
It's already set up actually. |
| 18:45 |
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mr_lou |
You simply play the Blu-ray from a remote source. |
| 18:46 |
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aditsu |
ok, I was just giving you alternatives |
| 18:47 |
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mr_lou |
Most important criteria: It must continue to work 50 years into the future. |
| 18:47 |
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mr_lou |
Impossible to achieve with a website. |
| 18:48 |
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aditsu |
are you sure blu-ray videos will be playable 50 years in the future? |
| 18:48 |
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mr_lou |
Blu-ray will work, just like a modern media player still handles very old formats. (A Blu-ray player still supports VCD). |
| 18:48 |
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mr_lou |
Absolutely they will. |
| 18:49 |
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mr_lou |
Just like emulators of various retro computers will continue to be able to play Z80, DSK, ADF and D64 files. |
| 18:49 |
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mr_lou |
There will always be software media players that can handle Blu-ray ISO files. |
| 18:50 |
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mr_lou |
I'm up for a bet if you are. ::-) Then we can meet back here 50 years from now. ;-) |
| 18:50 |
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aditsu |
right.. you'll have to rely on a dwindling group of unpaid enthusiasts who still have an interest in ancient platforms, and if you're lucky, you will get *most* things to play right |
| 18:51 |
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aditsu |
I think there are already dos games that can't be played right anymore |
| 18:51 |
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mr_lou |
There will always be enthusiasts. Just look at the number of different emulators for any retro computer. It's crazy. DOS games are easy: Just install dosbox. |
| 18:52 |
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mr_lou |
And once the various media players have included support for Blu-ray, why remove it again? Once it's there, it'll work forever, because it's a dead platform. |
| 18:52 |
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aditsu |
dosbox doesn't behave exactly like an old computer.. I've had some issues |
| 18:53 |
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aditsu |
some media players will die out, others will likely need to be rewritten |
| 18:54 |
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mr_lou |
True. But I don't think we'll see any such big changes within the next 50 years. |
| 18:55 |
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mr_lou |
It'll be easy to find cheap used Blu-ray players too. |
| 18:55 |
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mr_lou |
Just like you can buy a ton of cheap VHS machines nowadays. |
| 18:56 |
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mr_lou |
8-bit Memoirs can't die. |
| 18:56 |
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mr_lou |
;-) |
| 18:58 |
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aditsu |
also see https://xkcd.com/1909/ and https://xkcd.com/1683/ :) |
| 18:59 |
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mr_lou |
I know that first one. And that's exactly why I refused to use web. |
| 18:59 |
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mr_lou |
8-bit Memoirs is a book. |
| 19:00 |
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mr_lou |
Using web would be really stupid. |
| 19:00 |
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mr_lou |
It had to be a "dead" platform. One that doesn't change. |
| 19:00 |
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aditsu |
books don't have video :p |
| 19:00 |
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mr_lou |
Exactly. |
| 19:00 |
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mr_lou |
It's an eBook. |
| 19:01 |
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mr_lou |
Welcome to the future. ;-) |
| 19:01 |
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mr_lou |
Diskmag-like eBook. |
| 19:01 |
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mr_lou |
My Amstrad CPC464 is 30 years old. I still use it. |
| 19:01 |
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mr_lou |
I like the retro stuff. |
| 19:02 |
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mr_lou |
30 years from now, there will be people using PS3 and PS4 and XB1. |
| 19:02 |
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mr_lou |
Same reason. |
| 19:02 |
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mr_lou |
Blu-ray players will be around for a loooong time. |
| 19:02 |
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aditsu |
browsing/watching your memoirs 50 years later will be like a retro-ception :p |
| 19:02 |
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mr_lou |
:-) |
| 19:03 |
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mr_lou |
Will be a history lesson by then. |
| 19:03 |
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mr_lou |
Complete with examples. |
| 19:03 |
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aditsu |
I think with the advent of streaming and digital downloads, blu-ray players will become retro sooner than you'd expect |
| 19:04 |
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mr_lou |
People have been saying that for ages. Just like they've been claiming Java was dead since its release. |
| 19:04 |
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mr_lou |
Meanwhile, the vinyl records are back. |
| 19:04 |
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mr_lou |
Experts predict a future with "room for everything". |
| 19:04 |
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aditsu |
java applets are 95% dead, java itself is a different beast though :) |
| 19:05 |
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mr_lou |
Blu-ray players aren't going anywhere. |
| 19:09 |
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aditsu |
btw, I found that game last night |
| 19:19 |
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mr_lou |
Oh? What was it called then? |
| 19:20 |
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aditsu |
Serpenti |
| 19:20 |
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* mr_lou |
googles |
| 19:20 |
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aditsu |
not much info about it |
| 19:20 |
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aditsu |
but there's a download :) |
| 19:21 |
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aditsu |
it's a fun game |
| 19:22 |
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mr_lou |
Looks nice. Very smooth movement. |
| 19:22 |
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mr_lou |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZUvGcRKziU |
| 19:22 |
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mr_lou |
Except, here you see the 50 fps on 60 hz issue. Notice the serpents are herky in their movement. |
| 19:22 |
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mr_lou |
I can't NOT see it anymore. |
| 19:23 |
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aditsu |
I don't think it ever ran at 50fps |
| 19:23 |
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aditsu |
25 probably |
| 19:23 |
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aditsu |
the jerkiness could also be from the emulator |
| 19:24 |
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aditsu |
that video shows what happens if you start the game with default settings and don't press anything, kinda sucks |
| 19:25 |
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mr_lou |
No that's 50 fps. I can tell. It's moving 50 pixels per second. |
| 19:25 |
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mr_lou |
I know because I've seen lots of scrolltexts that move 50 pixels per second. I know what speed that is. ;-) |
| 19:26 |
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aditsu |
well, the youtube video has 30fps |
| 19:28 |
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mr_lou |
Recorded from emulator using screen recorder then. |
| 19:28 |
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mr_lou |
European computers outputted 50 hz |
| 19:32 |
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mr_lou |
The result is the same though. |
| 19:32 |
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mr_lou |
Even if a game is only 25 fps, it will still be jerky on a 60 hz display. |
| 19:33 |
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aditsu |
ok, looks like it's 50Hz interlaced, effectively 25fps |
| 19:35 |
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aditsu |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL |
| 19:38 |
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aditsu |
anyway, you can try to play the game (e.g. with fuse) and see if it looks better |
| 19:40 |
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aditsu |
seems like 25fps to me |
| 19:42 |
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mr_lou |
TV's PAL was interlaced yes. Retro computers weren't. They outputted 50 real frames per second. |
| 19:42 |
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mr_lou |
At least the Amstrad CPC did. |
| 19:42 |
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mr_lou |
But it had its own monitor. |
| 19:44 |
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aditsu |
can't find much about the zx spectrum refresh rate, it may be 50Hz |
| 19:44 |
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aditsu |
I also had a monitor for the HC-90, but could also connect to the tv |
| 19:44 |
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mr_lou |
It was 50 hz for all european computers because of our 50 hz powergrid. |
| 19:45 |
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aditsu |
now that I think about it, the monitor image was sharper, you may be right |
| 19:45 |
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aditsu |
oh, I think the monitor was monochrome though :p |
| 19:46 |
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aditsu |
old times |
| 19:46 |
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mr_lou |
:) |
| 19:46 |
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mr_lou |
The Amstrad CPC also had a green monitor - but also a colour one. |
| 19:46 |
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mr_lou |
Many people has a nostalgic relationship with that green one. |
| 19:46 |
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mr_lou |
I never had one of those though. |
| 19:47 |
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aditsu |
I think mine was more olive-brown, but yeah, something like that |
| 19:47 |
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mr_lou |
50 fps may sound like much, but consider this: Moving a sprite 50 pixels per second means it'll take 6 seconds to move from the right side of the screen to the left side. |
| 19:48 |
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mr_lou |
Seems slow - but it'll be extremely smooth and nice to look at. |
| 19:48 |
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mr_lou |
Except of course if you look at it on a 60 hz screen. :-P |
| 19:49 |
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aditsu |
and the refresh rate mismatch will keep bothering you till the day you die :p |
| 19:49 |
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mr_lou |
No - because I just use Blu-ray ;-) |
| 19:49 |
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mr_lou |
Actually, I still use CRT screens. |
| 19:50 |
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aditsu |
yeah.. can a blu-ray player play old games? |
| 19:50 |
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mr_lou |
And if I have to use an LCD, then I'll use an X-RGB Framemeister to get a 50 hz screen. |
| 19:50 |
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mr_lou |
You can code emulators with BD-J. Someone already has. :-) |
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mr_lou |
Someone has coded a NES emulator for BD-J. And a Gameboy emulator too. |
| 19:54 |
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mr_lou |
I may look into an Amstrad CPC emulator one day, because there are already two JAva based emulators I can use. |
