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mr_lou |
So apparently the new Nokia 3310 3G version should be able to run JavaME. |
| 15:18 |
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* mr_lou |
pokes Prissy_Tonkinese |
| 15:19 |
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mr_lou |
New life to JavaME! \o/ |
| 15:19 |
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mr_lou |
Soon ##j2me will thrive again! |
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mr_lou |
No? |
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rolls on cat butt |
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xCA7BABE5 |
<mr_lou> New life to JavaME! |
| 16:37 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
but will sufficient people give a fuck to get the ball rolling? |
| 16:37 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
that is the question |
| 16:37 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
butt |
| 16:38 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I estimate that the answer is |
| 16:38 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
NO |
| 16:39 |
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aditsu |
JavaMeh |
| 16:41 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I wonder |
| 16:42 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
what is out there in terms of java midi softsynth that is not Sun's implementation |
| 16:43 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I have a rudimentary midi sequencer for J2ME that I decompiled and modded |
| 16:43 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I wouldn't mind a J2SE port to have handy on my phone |
| 16:47 |
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aditsu |
xCA7BABE5: you're CatButts, right? |
| 16:48 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
yes |
| 16:48 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I changed name as a parody to another nick in here :P |
| 16:48 |
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aditsu |
I just realized we're compatriots |
| 16:49 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
>hk |
| 16:49 |
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aditsu |
da :p |
| 16:49 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
what tld is that |
| 16:49 |
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aditsu |
Hong Kong |
| 16:49 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
cum ai ajuns acolo sus? |
| 16:49 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
da-te gios imediat! |
| 16:49 |
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aditsu |
by plane :p |
| 16:50 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
cu parasuta |
| 16:50 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
the Internet is a small place |
| 16:52 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
now your nick makes sense |
| 16:52 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
a pampering/distorition of Adi/Adrian |
| 16:52 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
adi[tz]u |
| 16:53 |
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aditsu |
^_^ |
| 16:53 |
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aditsu |
are you looking for the ț ? |
| 16:53 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
*distortion |
| 16:53 |
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aditsu |
I call it a diminutive |
| 16:53 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
a pampered diminutive |
| 16:57 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I can't be arsed to wield non-ansi characters in IRC |
| 16:57 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
*weild |
| 16:57 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
wield |
| 16:57 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
blah |
| 16:58 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
English is an unphonetical mess of a language |
| 16:58 |
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aditsu |
you just need a good keyboard layout |
| 16:58 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I learned it in childhood from undubbed cartoon network and vidja gaems |
| 16:58 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I can't even be arsed that |
| 16:59 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I live with exactly one layout |
| 17:14 |
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aditsu |
好啦 |
| 17:15 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
sorry, I don't have vocalization package for that kind of runes installed |
| 17:15 |
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aditsu |
冇問題 |
| 17:15 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I say vocalization because, reading and writing automagically produces sound in my head |
| 17:16 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I write from sound |
| 17:16 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I read sound |
| 17:16 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I think it's called subvocalization |
| 17:16 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I |
| 17:16 |
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aditsu |
but English is not a phonetic language |
| 17:17 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
yes |
| 17:17 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
none the less, I have rules intuitively jammed in place for vocalization, for this tongue |
| 17:17 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
which work, most of the times |
| 17:18 |
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mr_lou |
Well, I'm tired of smartphones. |
| 17:18 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I don't blame you |
| 17:18 |
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mr_lou |
I may buy the Nokia 3310 3G just for the buttons and non smart-os. |
| 17:18 |
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mr_lou |
And being able to run JavaME helps. |
| 17:18 |
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mr_lou |
None of that "Android Java" for me thanks. |
| 17:19 |
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mr_lou |
In other news; Kodi v18 (Leia) should be able to play my 8-bit Memoirs project! \o/ |
| 17:19 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I wonder if you ever had contact with PalmOS |
| 17:19 |
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mr_lou |
Um.... I don't remember. |
| 17:20 |
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mr_lou |
bbl, dinner time. |
| 17:26 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I hold good impressions of PalmOS from the reading I've done so far |
| 17:26 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
same I did with Maemo and Nokia N900 |
| 17:26 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
until I bought and used the phone :P |
| 17:26 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
it's painfully linux |
| 17:26 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
Android is not linux |
| 17:26 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
this damned well is |
| 17:27 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
hell, you get X Terminal out of the box |
| 17:28 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
regretably, you have an old kernel and old libs |
| 17:28 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
so porting things to it will probably hurt a bit |
| 17:28 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
and the software selection for it will suffer because of this |
| 17:29 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
to describe this phone, it's a nerd toy |
| 17:30 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
Palm goes the no-bullshit simplicity way |
| 17:34 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
programming for it is done in plain C and API appears straight forward from a glance |
| 17:35 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
sadly, I don't see any fan-gatherings for it today |
| 17:35 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
which is a drawback if you want a helping hand |
| 17:36 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
and people to make software for, other than yourself |
| 17:36 |
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aditsu |
well, it doesn't really help that it's a dead platform |
| 17:36 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
true |
| 17:36 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
there are fans, but they are dispersed |
| 17:37 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
same with J2ME |
| 17:37 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
N900/Maemo has one large site and one large IRC channel :P |
| 17:38 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
gravity points for people interested in the platform |
| 17:41 |
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aditsu |
there is webOS now |
| 17:43 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
unfamiliar with it |
| 17:43 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
oh yeah |
| 17:43 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
successor to Palm, of sorts |
| 17:44 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
probably no longer has any connection to Palm |
| 17:45 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
>linux based |
| 17:45 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
different beast from Palm |
| 17:50 |
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mr_lou |
Dead platforms are the best. |
| 17:51 |
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aditsu |
I recommend ZX Spectrum :D |
| 17:54 |
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mr_lou |
<-- Amstrad CPC guy |
| 17:55 |
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mr_lou |
The Amstrad CPC is still used a lot. New hardware keeps being made. Recently it became possible to go online with it. :-> |
| 17:55 |
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mr_lou |
I might join this channel from my Amstrad CPC some day. |
| 17:55 |
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mr_lou |
Dead platforms are awesome. You will never ever experience that something suddenly just doesn't work anymore. I LOVE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:56 |
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mr_lou |
Web is the absolute WORST INVENTION EVER! |
| 17:56 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
it grows ever bloated |
| 17:56 |
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mr_lou |
Exactly. |
| 17:57 |
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aditsu |
does the Amstrad use RFC 1149 to go online? |
| 17:57 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
be sure to run IRC on the CPC so I can post ANSI butts on it |
| 17:57 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/nailed_it.PNG :P |
| 17:58 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
(not my creation) |
| 17:59 |
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mr_lou |
aditsu, I have no idea. I'm not a hardware guy. |
| 17:59 |
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mr_lou |
aditsu, Basically it's a Wifi card that someone invented. So you go online via your cellphone. |
| 17:59 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
the COCO-II here reiceved IRC input as sound |
| 18:00 |
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mr_lou |
Or wifi router. |
| 18:00 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
from middleman computer |
| 18:00 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
so that's cheating a bit |
| 18:01 |
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aditsu |
mr_lou: something tells me you didn't get it |
| 18:02 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers close enough |
| 18:02 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
slightly slower than using tape input port :p |
| 18:04 |
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aditsu |
very high latency, but the bandwidth can be decent depending on the strength of the carrier and the printing technology :) |
| 18:05 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
>An example of packet loss. |
| 18:05 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
this is morbidly hilarious |
| 18:23 |
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mr_lou |
aditsu, Get what? Was it a joke? Then no, I didn't get it. :-) |
| 18:23 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
yes |
| 18:23 |
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aditsu |
well, read above |
| 18:24 |
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mr_lou |
I don't know what RFC 1149 is, if that's what you're referring to. |
| 18:24 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
it's a joke standard proposal |
| 18:24 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
for the above |
| 18:25 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
a 1st april gag |
| 18:25 |
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aditsu |
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=RFC+1149 |
| 18:25 |
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mr_lou |
Well I never heard about that. |
| 18:25 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
now you did |
| 18:25 |
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mr_lou |
Keep in mind I have a very low IQ and I never keep myself updated on curernt news. |
| 18:25 |
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mr_lou |
*current |
| 18:26 |
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mr_lou |
I avoid Facebook, Twitter, and all other "new" trends. |
| 18:26 |
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aditsu |
1990 is not very current |
| 18:26 |
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aditsu |
it has even been updated by newer RFC's |
| 18:26 |
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mr_lou |
mh |
| 18:26 |
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mr_lou |
Well then no body just told me about it before now. :-P |
| 18:26 |
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aditsu |
you're welcome :) |
| 18:26 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYOCcd9MplQ |
| 18:27 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
Low Q |
| 18:27 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
Hi Q |
| 18:27 |
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* xCA7BABE5 |
hides |
| 18:27 |
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aditsu |
it's *I*Q.. |
| 18:31 |
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aditsu |
mr_lou: also, I don't believe you, you can't create something like the 8-bit memories project with a "very low IQ" |
| 18:32 |
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mr_lou |
You can't know till you've seen it. |
| 18:32 |
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mr_lou |
Also... I.Q. is defined very differently. |
| 18:32 |
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mr_lou |
By different people. |
| 18:43 |
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mr_lou |
Hm |
| 18:43 |
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mr_lou |
Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 CPU..... is than an x86 CPU? |
| 18:45 |
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aditsu |
according to wikipedia, Snapdragon is ARM-based SoC |
| 18:46 |
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mr_lou |
Hm.. |
| 18:46 |
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mr_lou |
Looking at the VLC nightly builds for Android, I can only choose between ARM, x86 and MIPS.... |
| 18:46 |
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mr_lou |
So you're saying ARM. |
| 18:47 |
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mr_lou |
ARM7 or ARM8? |
| 18:47 |
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aditsu |
I don't know, find out :) |
| 18:50 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
then there's HardFP and SoftFP |
| 18:50 |
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mr_lou |
ARM8 it would seem. |
| 18:51 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
is hard vs soft a thing past ARM7? |
| 18:51 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
*still a thing |
| 18:57 |
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* mr_lou |
knows nothing |
| 19:00 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
hey aditsu, how would you feel if I used MANIFEST.MF as both the application's manifest and the project config for a rudimentary CLI tool? |
| 19:00 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
one thing that would probably be a nonstandard attribute in the manifest, in this case, would be the .jar's name |
| 19:01 |
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aditsu |
how would that work as a project config? |
| 19:02 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
well, the directories are predefined(src, dist, bin, lib) |
| 19:02 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
additional libs can be defined in manifest |
| 19:02 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
main class can be defined in manifest |
| 19:02 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
what else? |
| 19:03 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
the manifest sits in root of project folder and gets used in two ways |
| 19:03 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
1. config file |
| 19:03 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
2. copied to jar |
| 19:04 |
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aditsu |
I don't know, seems weird, but you can give it a try if you think it works for you |
| 19:04 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I am still writing a text file that describes what the thing should do |
| 19:04 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I won't know if it works until I put it all together |
| 19:05 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
much like my crosslanguage porting |
| 19:05 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
port in one breath, plug in and hope for the best |
| 19:05 |
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aditsu |
I think of manifest files as annoying but necessary metadata that I just auto-generate at build time |
| 19:05 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
well, this is python and CLI |
| 19:06 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
generate it myself |
| 19:06 |
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aditsu |
python? wat? |
| 19:06 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
without any Ants |
| 19:06 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
the CLI tool is to be made in Python |
| 19:06 |
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aditsu |
use python to build a java project? ok.. |
| 19:08 |
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aditsu |
I would just write a build script for ant |
| 19:08 |
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aditsu |
(and other people use stuff like maven or gradle) |
| 19:09 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
but this is bat country |
| 19:09 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
*butt |
| 19:09 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/description.txt |
| 19:10 |
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aditsu |
butt country? ok, write a bash script that calls make :p |
| 19:10 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
what's a makefile? |
| 19:11 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
what's ant? |
| 19:11 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
why do I not want to know either? |
| 19:11 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
why not make my own! |
| 19:12 |
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mr_lou |
ButtScript? |
| 19:12 |
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aditsu |
if you have too much time on your hands and don't want others to ever build your projects, go ahead :) |
| 19:16 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
yes, I hate you all and I am going to make the world a slightly more misserable place |
| 19:17 |
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aditsu |
aww, why would you hate us? |
| 19:19 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
I kid |
| 19:34 |
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mr_lou |
We know you love us. |
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xCA7BABE5 |
manifest file has no relevance outside jar files, right? |
| 19:43 |
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aditsu |
I don't think so |
| 19:45 |
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xCA7BABE5 |
good |
