Time Nick Message 19:45 xCA7BABE5 good 19:43 aditsu I don't think so 19:43 xCA7BABE5 manifest file has no relevance outside jar files, right? 19:34 mr_lou We know you love us. 19:19 xCA7BABE5 I kid 19:17 aditsu aww, why would you hate us? 19:16 xCA7BABE5 yes, I hate you all and I am going to make the world a slightly more misserable place 19:12 aditsu if you have too much time on your hands and don't want others to ever build your projects, go ahead :) 19:12 mr_lou ButtScript? 19:11 xCA7BABE5 why not make my own! 19:11 xCA7BABE5 why do I not want to know either? 19:11 xCA7BABE5 what's ant? 19:10 xCA7BABE5 what's a makefile? 19:10 aditsu butt country? ok, write a bash script that calls make :p 19:09 xCA7BABE5 http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/description.txt 19:09 xCA7BABE5 *butt 19:09 xCA7BABE5 but this is bat country 19:08 aditsu (and other people use stuff like maven or gradle) 19:08 aditsu I would just write a build script for ant 19:06 aditsu use python to build a java project? ok.. 19:06 xCA7BABE5 the CLI tool is to be made in Python 19:06 xCA7BABE5 without any Ants 19:06 aditsu python? wat? 19:06 xCA7BABE5 generate it myself 19:05 xCA7BABE5 well, this is python and CLI 19:05 aditsu I think of manifest files as annoying but necessary metadata that I just auto-generate at build time 19:05 xCA7BABE5 port in one breath, plug in and hope for the best 19:05 xCA7BABE5 much like my crosslanguage porting 19:04 xCA7BABE5 I won't know if it works until I put it all together 19:04 xCA7BABE5 I am still writing a text file that describes what the thing should do 19:04 aditsu I don't know, seems weird, but you can give it a try if you think it works for you 19:03 xCA7BABE5 2. copied to jar 19:03 xCA7BABE5 1. config file 19:03 xCA7BABE5 the manifest sits in root of project folder and gets used in two ways 19:02 xCA7BABE5 what else? 19:02 xCA7BABE5 main class can be defined in manifest 19:02 xCA7BABE5 additional libs can be defined in manifest 19:02 xCA7BABE5 well, the directories are predefined(src, dist, bin, lib) 19:01 aditsu how would that work as a project config? 19:00 xCA7BABE5 one thing that would probably be a nonstandard attribute in the manifest, in this case, would be the .jar's name 19:00 xCA7BABE5 hey aditsu, how would you feel if I used MANIFEST.MF as both the application's manifest and the project config for a rudimentary CLI tool? 18:57 * mr_lou knows nothing 18:51 xCA7BABE5 *still a thing 18:51 xCA7BABE5 is hard vs soft a thing past ARM7? 18:50 mr_lou ARM8 it would seem. 18:50 xCA7BABE5 then there's HardFP and SoftFP 18:47 aditsu I don't know, find out :) 18:47 mr_lou ARM7 or ARM8? 18:46 mr_lou So you're saying ARM. 18:46 mr_lou Looking at the VLC nightly builds for Android, I can only choose between ARM, x86 and MIPS.... 18:46 mr_lou Hm.. 18:45 aditsu according to wikipedia, Snapdragon is ARM-based SoC 18:43 mr_lou Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 CPU..... is than an x86 CPU? 18:43 mr_lou Hm 18:32 mr_lou By different people. 18:32 mr_lou Also... I.Q. is defined very differently. 18:32 mr_lou You can't know till you've seen it. 18:31 aditsu mr_lou: also, I don't believe you, you can't create something like the 8-bit memories project with a "very low IQ" 18:27 aditsu it's *I*Q.. 18:27 * xCA7BABE5 hides 18:27 xCA7BABE5 Hi Q 18:27 xCA7BABE5 Low Q 18:26 xCA7BABE5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYOCcd9MplQ 18:26 aditsu you're welcome :) 18:26 mr_lou Well then no body just told me about it before now. :-P 18:26 mr_lou mh 18:26 aditsu it has even been updated by newer RFC's 18:26 aditsu 1990 is not very current 18:26 mr_lou I avoid Facebook, Twitter, and all other "new" trends. 18:25 mr_lou *current 18:25 mr_lou Keep in mind I have a very low IQ and I never keep myself updated on curernt news. 18:25 xCA7BABE5 now you did 18:25 mr_lou Well I never heard about that. 18:25 aditsu http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=RFC+1149 18:25 xCA7BABE5 a 1st april gag 18:24 xCA7BABE5 for the above 18:24 xCA7BABE5 it's a joke standard proposal 18:24 mr_lou I don't know what RFC 1149 is, if that's what you're referring to. 18:23 aditsu well, read above 18:23 xCA7BABE5 yes 18:23 mr_lou aditsu, Get what? Was it a joke? Then no, I didn't get it. :-) 18:05 xCA7BABE5 this is morbidly hilarious 18:05 xCA7BABE5 >An example of packet loss. 18:04 aditsu very high latency, but the bandwidth can be decent depending on the strength of the carrier and the printing technology :) 18:02 xCA7BABE5 slightly slower than using tape input port :p 18:02 xCA7BABE5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers close enough 18:01 aditsu mr_lou: something tells me you didn't get it 18:00 xCA7BABE5 so that's cheating a bit 18:00 xCA7BABE5 from middleman computer 18:00 mr_lou Or wifi router. 17:59 xCA7BABE5 the COCO-II here reiceved IRC input as sound 17:59 mr_lou aditsu, Basically it's a Wifi card that someone invented. So you go online via your cellphone. 17:59 mr_lou aditsu, I have no idea. I'm not a hardware guy. 17:58 xCA7BABE5 (not my creation) 17:57 xCA7BABE5 http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/nailed_it.PNG :P 17:57 xCA7BABE5 be sure to run IRC on the CPC so I can post ANSI butts on it 17:57 aditsu does the Amstrad use RFC 1149 to go online? 17:56 mr_lou Exactly. 17:56 xCA7BABE5 it grows ever bloated 17:56 mr_lou Web is the absolute WORST INVENTION EVER! 17:55 mr_lou Dead platforms are awesome. You will never ever experience that something suddenly just doesn't work anymore. I LOVE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 17:55 mr_lou I might join this channel from my Amstrad CPC some day. 17:55 mr_lou The Amstrad CPC is still used a lot. New hardware keeps being made. Recently it became possible to go online with it. :-> 17:54 mr_lou <-- Amstrad CPC guy 17:51 aditsu I recommend ZX Spectrum :D 17:50 mr_lou Dead platforms are the best. 17:45 xCA7BABE5 different beast from Palm 17:45 xCA7BABE5 >linux based 17:44 xCA7BABE5 probably no longer has any connection to Palm 17:43 xCA7BABE5 successor to Palm, of sorts 17:43 xCA7BABE5 oh yeah 17:43 xCA7BABE5 unfamiliar with it 17:41 aditsu there is webOS now 17:38 xCA7BABE5 gravity points for people interested in the platform 17:37 xCA7BABE5 N900/Maemo has one large site and one large IRC channel :P 17:37 xCA7BABE5 same with J2ME 17:36 xCA7BABE5 there are fans, but they are dispersed 17:36 xCA7BABE5 true 17:36 aditsu well, it doesn't really help that it's a dead platform 17:36 xCA7BABE5 and people to make software for, other than yourself 17:35 xCA7BABE5 which is a drawback if you want a helping hand 17:35 xCA7BABE5 sadly, I don't see any fan-gatherings for it today 17:34 xCA7BABE5 programming for it is done in plain C and API appears straight forward from a glance 17:30 xCA7BABE5 Palm goes the no-bullshit simplicity way 17:29 xCA7BABE5 to describe this phone, it's a nerd toy 17:28 xCA7BABE5 and the software selection for it will suffer because of this 17:28 xCA7BABE5 so porting things to it will probably hurt a bit 17:28 xCA7BABE5 regretably, you have an old kernel and old libs 17:27 xCA7BABE5 hell, you get X Terminal out of the box 17:26 xCA7BABE5 this damned well is 17:26 xCA7BABE5 Android is not linux 17:26 xCA7BABE5 it's painfully linux 17:26 xCA7BABE5 until I bought and used the phone :P 17:26 xCA7BABE5 same I did with Maemo and Nokia N900 17:26 xCA7BABE5 I hold good impressions of PalmOS from the reading I've done so far 17:20 mr_lou bbl, dinner time. 17:19 mr_lou Um.... I don't remember. 17:19 xCA7BABE5 I wonder if you ever had contact with PalmOS 17:19 mr_lou In other news; Kodi v18 (Leia) should be able to play my 8-bit Memoirs project! \o/ 17:18 mr_lou None of that "Android Java" for me thanks. 17:18 mr_lou And being able to run JavaME helps. 17:18 mr_lou I may buy the Nokia 3310 3G just for the buttons and non smart-os. 17:18 xCA7BABE5 I don't blame you 17:18 mr_lou Well, I'm tired of smartphones. 17:17 xCA7BABE5 which work, most of the times 17:17 xCA7BABE5 none the less, I have rules intuitively jammed in place for vocalization, for this tongue 17:17 xCA7BABE5 yes 17:16 aditsu but English is not a phonetic language 17:16 xCA7BABE5 I 17:16 xCA7BABE5 I think it's called subvocalization 17:16 xCA7BABE5 I read sound 17:16 xCA7BABE5 I write from sound 17:15 xCA7BABE5 I say vocalization because, reading and writing automagically produces sound in my head 17:15 aditsu 冇問題 17:15 xCA7BABE5 sorry, I don't have vocalization package for that kind of runes installed 17:14 aditsu 好啦 16:59 xCA7BABE5 I live with exactly one layout 16:58 xCA7BABE5 I can't even be arsed that 16:58 xCA7BABE5 I learned it in childhood from undubbed cartoon network and vidja gaems 16:58 aditsu you just need a good keyboard layout 16:58 xCA7BABE5 English is an unphonetical mess of a language 16:57 xCA7BABE5 blah 16:57 xCA7BABE5 wield 16:57 xCA7BABE5 *weild 16:57 xCA7BABE5 I can't be arsed to wield non-ansi characters in IRC 16:53 xCA7BABE5 a pampered diminutive 16:53 aditsu I call it a diminutive 16:53 xCA7BABE5 *distortion 16:53 aditsu are you looking for the ț ? 16:53 aditsu ^_^ 16:52 xCA7BABE5 adi[tz]u 16:52 xCA7BABE5 a pampering/distorition of Adi/Adrian 16:52 xCA7BABE5 now your nick makes sense 16:50 xCA7BABE5 the Internet is a small place 16:50 xCA7BABE5 cu parasuta 16:49 aditsu by plane :p 16:49 xCA7BABE5 da-te gios imediat! 16:49 xCA7BABE5 cum ai ajuns acolo sus? 16:49 aditsu Hong Kong 16:49 xCA7BABE5 what tld is that 16:49 aditsu da :p 16:49 xCA7BABE5 >hk 16:48 aditsu I just realized we're compatriots 16:48 xCA7BABE5 I changed name as a parody to another nick in here :P 16:48 xCA7BABE5 yes 16:47 aditsu xCA7BABE5: you're CatButts, right? 16:43 xCA7BABE5 I wouldn't mind a J2SE port to have handy on my phone 16:43 xCA7BABE5 I have a rudimentary midi sequencer for J2ME that I decompiled and modded 16:42 xCA7BABE5 what is out there in terms of java midi softsynth that is not Sun's implementation 16:41 xCA7BABE5 I wonder 16:39 aditsu JavaMeh 16:38 xCA7BABE5 NO 16:38 xCA7BABE5 I estimate that the answer is 16:37 xCA7BABE5 butt 16:37 xCA7BABE5 that is the question 16:37 xCA7BABE5 but will sufficient people give a fuck to get the ball rolling? 16:37 xCA7BABE5 <mr_lou> New life to JavaME! 16:22 * Prissy_Tonkinese rolls on cat butt 15:40 mr_lou No? 15:19 mr_lou Soon ##j2me will thrive again! 15:19 mr_lou New life to JavaME! \o/ 15:18 * mr_lou pokes Prissy_Tonkinese 15:18 mr_lou So apparently the new Nokia 3310 3G version should be able to run JavaME.