IRC log for #friendlyjava, 2017-11-27

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Time	Nick	Message
07:01	mr_lou	Morning
07:01	mr_lou	I found this:
07:01	mr_lou	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/47495236/how-to-import-classes-in-default-package-to-other-package-with-netbean
07:01	mr_lou	Has it ever been possible to import like that?
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12:08	aditsu	mr_lou: I don't know, has it ever been reasonable to do something like that?
12:10	mr_lou	I have no idea.
12:10	aditsu	it doesn't seem to work in Eclipse either
12:10	aditsu	and it was a somewhat rhetorical question :p
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15:28	CatButts	https://javachannel.org/no-applets/
15:29	* CatButts	ports java applet to flash just to piss off people
15:31	aditsu	flash's days are numbered too
15:32	CatButts	yes
15:32	mr_lou	We run with the old abandoned stuff. That's just how we roll.
15:32	mr_lou	<--- JavaME dev
15:32	* CatButts	rolls on his cat butt
15:33	* mr_lou	has started uploading his 8-bit Memoirs project.... 29 hours to go.... :-\|
15:33	mr_lou	I should get a faster Internet connection... but I can't. Not possible where I live they say.
15:33	CatButts	are you uploading from 2g phone?
15:33	CatButts	:p
15:34	mr_lou	heh... no
15:34	mr_lou	It's supposed to be a 2mbit line. up
15:34	mr_lou	That's all I can get where I live.
15:34	CatButts	to be honest, I have a questionable relationship with Java
15:34	aditsu	https://www.xkcd.com/1909/ - it needs more technologies :p
15:34	CatButts	it feels very stringy
15:35	mr_lou	Java rules
15:35	CatButts	return new File(MyClass.class.getProtectionDomain().getCodeSource().getLocation().toURI().getPath());
15:35	CatButts	:p
15:35	CatButts	it probably doesn't help I only really work with decompiled code
15:36	CatButts	and on things that already exist
15:36	mr_lou	aditsu, Very true! That's why I insisted on creating my project as a Blu-ray Disc. ;-)
15:37	aditsu	I don't have any device that can read a blu-ray disc in my home :p
15:37	mr_lou	aditsu, A Blu-ray Disc will last for decades. If I burn to an M-Disc it'll last 1000 years. :)
15:37	mr_lou	aditsu, Well, a drive is less than 80 bucks.
15:38	aditsu	are blu-rays more durable than dvds?
15:38	CatButts	what's an M-Disk
15:38	mr_lou	Yes
15:38	mr_lou	Different material.
15:38	CatButts	>[Subject] Web Database
15:38	mr_lou	CatButts, Google it. It's a very very durable disc.
15:38	CatButts	heh, I feel the pain there with flash sites :P
15:39	CatButts	archive.org do not take them well
15:40	mr_lou	aditsu, Facebook uses Blu-ray discs for backup.
15:40	mr_lou	It's just the best most durable and cheapest media out there.
15:40	aditsu	interesting
15:42	CatButts	hmmm, I wonder
15:42	aditsu	I still kinda resent them because they're made by sony who refused to play nice and insisted on crashing the hd-dvd party
15:42	CatButts	I never tested out midi in J2SE Embedded
15:42	aditsu	but I guess I'll have to look into it since that's what we have now
15:42	mr_lou	aditsu, I see. I haven't heard about that. But sounds like similar reasons for why I don't like Microsoft. :-)
15:43	mr_lou	But I'm glad Sony won that "war", because otherwise we wouldn't have been able to code Java for Blu-rays
15:43	mr_lou	My whole project is coded with JAva, and runs on any Blu-ray player.
15:43	mr_lou	That's awesometastic.
15:43	CatButts	I lost my interest for J2ME
15:43	mr_lou	It also means it's possible to code homebrew java games and run them on the modern gaming consoles.
15:44	mr_lou	I didn't. :-)
15:45	mr_lou	aditsu, But.... can you point to someone who DOES play nice in any of these things?
15:45	mr_lou	I can't find anyone worth my respect anymore.
15:47	aditsu	I don't know.. you mainly hear about the bad ones :p
15:48	mr_lou	But that's everyone!
15:48	mr_lou	They're all bad.
15:48	aditsu	I don't know, haven't heard much about Toshiba for example :)
15:48	mr_lou	hehe
15:48	mr_lou	Well true
15:48	mr_lou	But...
15:48	mr_lou	Let's take Google.
15:48	mr_lou	Started out good.
15:49	mr_lou	Then stole Java from Oracle.
15:49	aditsu	wut? no they didn't
15:49	mr_lou	"JavaME devs! Come to Android. Leave JavaME phones! Dev for Android instead! It's Java!"
15:49	mr_lou	So all devs came to Android.
15:49	aditsu	they kinda made their own java while Sun tacitly but not explicitly approved
15:50	mr_lou	Then Oracle said: "Now wait a minute! You can't just use Java without paying a license!".
15:50	CatButts	just write in C
15:50	mr_lou	So Google replied: "Oh... but we're not! It's NOT Java".
15:50	* CatButts	hides
15:50	aditsu	then Oracle saw a potential golden cow, and decided to grab Sun to get to milk it
15:51	mr_lou	Well it was a lousy step from Google.
15:51	mr_lou	And also... Android "Java" sucks.
15:51	aditsu	they've done much worse things than that
15:51	mr_lou	Like what?
15:52	mr_lou	I must admit I don't keep myself updated. Don't have the big interest either.
15:53	pdurbin	these days Kotlin is supported for Android dev
15:53	aditsu	various ways of abusing people's privacy to make more money, cooperating with evil governments, etc.
15:53	mr_lou	pdurbin, What's Kotlin?
15:54	CatButts	rings a bell
15:54	pdurbin	a language from jetbrains
15:54	aditsu	at one point they were sniffing all wi-fi traffic from their street view cars
15:54	mr_lou	Oh right. I heard about that.
15:54	* mr_lou	googles Kotlin
15:55	mr_lou	Hmm.... doesn't look interesting.
15:55	mr_lou	Then I'd rather do CatButts' suggestion: Just code in C.
15:56	CatButts	I'd like to port ShiPainter to C one day
15:56	CatButts	but I need to clean it up
15:59	mr_lou	There are too many coding languages.
15:59	mr_lou	I'll just stick to Java.
16:00	mr_lou	....or BASIC. :->
16:01	aditsu	COBOL master language :p
16:01	CatButts	if you want BASIC, get FreeBasic :P
16:02	CatButts	as someone that tried writing an FB to C++ transpiler once said, "FreeBasic is secretly a subset of C++ with better string handling and BASIC syntax"
16:04	mr_lou	Nah, I'm sticking with Java.
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