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| 00:16 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: huh, I would have thought the opposite, that JSF is a good fit for apps that don't require much customization. "Line of business" apps. CRUD stuff. |
| 00:19 |
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sfisque |
negative. simple CRUD does not need the ajax and complex event/phase model of jsf. jsf excels where you have a complex workflow that requires lots of micro-round trips (ajax) for highly specialized validation via business rules |
| 00:19 |
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sfisque |
for simple crud, jsp or a view framework like struts/tiles works better |
| 00:31 |
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pdurbin |
I wonder if any other web framework in any other language has a similar complex event/phase model. It seems unique to JSF. I don't have a ton of experience in this area though. |
| 02:06 |
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| 02:56 |
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aditsu |
pdurbin: addressbookmvc is one ^_^ |
| 02:57 |
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aditsu |
(open source application that uses JSF) |
| 03:03 |
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pdurbin |
heh. true |
| 03:03 |
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| 03:03 |
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pdurbin |
yet another toy app |
| 03:04 |
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pdurbin |
aditsu: I'm jealous of you. You have a frontend framework you like. |
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| 09:23 |
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aditsu |
pdurbin: frontend framework? which one? |
| 12:03 |
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pdurbin |
aditsu: sorry, really I'm talking about building GUIs. I'm much more comfortable writing backend code. |
| 12:07 |
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pdurbin |
maybe I'll go back to learning how to build GUIs in Android |
| 12:18 |
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pdurbin |
I want to learn well a way to build GUIs. |
| 12:36 |
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aditsu |
GUIs? I'm not sure I have a framework that I really like |
| 12:37 |
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aditsu |
I suppose Swing is ok, and FX would be nice if it wasn't b0rked |
| 13:03 |
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pulsar |
last project we decided to go with angular based SPA (and bootstrap) talking to a RESTful API (HATEOAS/HAL). More or less vanilla JEE stack on the back-end and some hipstertech on the frontend. turned out to work very well. UI-wise that is. |
| 13:04 |
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pulsar |
that said... using HTML for building GUIs is still crazy IMHO. but it is there and wont go away an time soon. |
| 13:06 |
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pulsar |
also, when considering the consumer as a target audience, i think anything java based is pretty much dead in the water. i see more node (electron shell or nw.js) based apps popping up left and right than anything swing/fx based which does not look like it has been designed by a nerd still living in the 80s. |
| 13:06 |
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pulsar |
refering to tdesktop apps of course |
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| 17:17 |
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aditsu |
I don't really count web pages as GUIs... I guess they are in a way, but still, it's different |
| 17:22 |
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aditsu |
the closest acronym I would probably accept is RIA |
| 17:28 |
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sfisque |
if you look at it and it's not just a text prompt, it's a gui |
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