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bluezone |
Nice |
| 19:12 |
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bluezone |
Wish we could get more people in here |
| 19:12 |
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bluezone |
#java is too toxic for my thin skin :( |
| 19:21 |
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pdurbin |
more than usual in here |
| 19:22 |
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pdurbin |
bluezone: do you have a question or comment? |
| 19:22 |
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bluezone |
pdurbin: not really, just surprised that this exists :P I'll stick around and try to help if I can |
| 19:48 |
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pdurbin |
bluezone: maybe you can read http://irclog.greptilian.com/friendlyjava/2015-09-30 and give pulsar some opinions on web frameworks |
| 20:37 |
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aditsu |
bluezone: welcome |
| 20:42 |
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pulsar |
pdurbin: looks like the gig wont be about a public facing application but more about narrow selection of customers |
| 20:42 |
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pulsar |
so the nature will be more administrative |
| 20:43 |
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pdurbin |
line of business app |
| 20:43 |
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pulsar |
point is, i do not need to care about gracefull gegradation of the frontend. |
| 20:43 |
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pulsar |
degradation even |
| 20:43 |
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pulsar |
settling with spring + angular |
| 20:43 |
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pulsar |
spring-hateoas - for sure |
| 20:43 |
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pulsar |
spring-data - maybe |
| 20:43 |
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pulsar |
spring-security - most likely |
| 20:44 |
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pdurbin |
maybe I should try spring some day |
| 20:45 |
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pulsar |
spring is a whole ecosystem |
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pulsar |
and if your requirements match one of more spring projects - makes sense to stay somewhat "framework-consistent" |
| 20:47 |
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pulsar |
on the negative side: lots of annotation driven magic, reflection based assumptions and deep dynamix proxies going on |
| 20:49 |
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pdurbin |
lots of XML for config of Spring, I hear |
| 20:49 |
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pulsar |
not anymore |
| 20:49 |
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pulsar |
this is the "classic" way to set up a spring application |
| 20:50 |
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pulsar |
today you can fire up a whole spring application just with annotated classes |
| 20:50 |
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pulsar |
since servlet 3.x you wont need to touch web.xml either |
| 20:50 |
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pulsar |
(or use spring-boot) |
| 20:51 |
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pulsar |
still not sure if setting up the dependency injection contex via annotations is good or not. |
| 20:51 |
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pulsar |
having a xm file wiring up your components also serves as a semi-documentation |
| 20:52 |
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pulsar |
scattering that information all over the code makes it very hard to trace back / picutre the dependencies |
| 20:52 |
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pulsar |
on the other hand, most ides provide a great spring support including graphing these dependencies |
| 20:53 |
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pulsar |
typing... not easy today. |
| 20:58 |
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pdurbin |
good to hear that annotated classes are enough |
| 21:34 |
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sfisque |
pulsar that is not 100% true. even in spring boot there are some things that require wiring up from xml, but it is minimal |
| 21:35 |
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pulsar |
sfisque: what exactly? |
| 21:35 |
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sfisque |
one sec |
| 21:35 |
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pulsar |
i have just set up a rest service using spring with 0 xml files, perhaps some advanced stuff has to be configured via xml |
| 21:37 |
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sfisque |
a rest endpoint is a toy |
| 21:37 |
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pulsar |
yeah, it is. but thtats why i ask ;) |
| 21:37 |
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sfisque |
<bean class="org.springframework.orm.jpa.support.PersistenceAnnotationBeanPostProcessor"/> |
| 21:37 |
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sfisque |
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sfisque |
<context:annotation-config /> |
| 21:37 |
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sfisque |
<context:component-scan base-package="xxxxxxxxx" /> |
| 21:37 |
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sfisque |
<context:mbean-export/> |
| 21:38 |
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pulsar |
so jpa support you say? |
| 21:38 |
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sfisque |
i had to put that in our applicationContext.xml file because there wasnt a way to boot strap those setting trivially in code |
| 21:38 |
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pulsar |
aye |
| 21:38 |
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pulsar |
"trivially" - i give you that. |
| 21:38 |
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sfisque |
yes, real jpa support, not the crap that spring walks around as jpa |
| 21:38 |
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sfisque |
@Repository != JPA |
| 21:39 |
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sfisque |
spring needs to drop the proprietary crap or just die already |
| 21:39 |
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pulsar |
what was the culprit? exposing mbeans? |
| 21:39 |
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sfisque |
that was part of it, also using standard jpa |
| 21:40 |
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pulsar |
as in persistence context + jpa "api"? |
| 21:40 |
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sfisque |
yes |
| 21:48 |
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pulsar |
anyway. xml or not. still (after years of using spring) undecided how i feel about some of the conventions |
| 21:49 |
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pulsar |
like chaning the way the application behaves just by putting an instance of a specific object into the context |
| 22:58 |
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pdurbin |
heh. "or just die" already |
