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Topic for #wonderstudy is now from wonder to study | logs at http://irclog.greptilian.com/wonderstudy/today |
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melodie |
hi |
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melodie |
I don't know if I like the name |
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pdurbin |
what?!? ;) |
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melodie |
wonder as in wonderland or wonder as "I am in a wonder" |
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pdurbin |
what's not to like about #wonderstudy? ;) |
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melodie |
no ? |
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pdurbin |
wonder as in... "I'm wondering about something... I want to learn more about something" |
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melodie |
"what's not to like" I can't understand this sentence |
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Topic for #wonderstudy is now from wonder to study | IRC logs: http://irclog.greptilian.com/wonderstudy/today |
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pdurbin |
wonderstudy is a play on words, it sounds like understudy |
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pdurbin |
an understudy is an actor or actress who learns all the lines for a part and is ready to perform if someone gets sick and can not perform |
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melodie |
this might not be understood by the majority of people. : in the world million people speak English, and among them several million are not English native |
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pdurbin |
sure, I understand that |
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melodie |
if it were dedicated to English natives only it would sound nice and fun, and otherwise not at hand |
12:58 |
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pdurbin |
you don't like the word "wonder"? |
12:58 |
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pdurbin |
a child is full of wonder, very curious about the world |
12:59 |
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melodie |
it is the first time I hear about understudy, and I have been learning english since school and came to practice a lot along the years, although not everyday, except on forums these last years, and on chans |
12:59 |
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melodie |
I'd choose something more direct such as #onlinestudies |
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pdurbin |
sure. understudy is not a common word. you hear it if you are an actor or if you go to a lot of plays |
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melodie |
or #onlineuniversities |
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melodie |
who will it be dedicated to in your idea ? |
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melodie |
the users or the ones who make the courses ? |
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pdurbin |
the users |
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melodie |
will it be dedicated to computing or to any topic ? |
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pdurbin |
any topic |
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melodie |
how will you bring people to it, from the online courses ? |
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pdurbin |
by linking to the IRC logs |
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pdurbin |
or people might search and find the IRC logs |
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melodie |
pdurbin I stick to what I said before : #opencourseware, because you can link to the wikipedia definition in the topic of the chan |
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melodie |
it's more precise, it is known |
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melodie |
anywhere we talk about it, forums, mails, mailing lists, we can link to the wikipedia definition and announce we created a chan for discussions around the topics |
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melodie |
but do as you wish.. |
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pdurbin |
I understand but people might think that a channel named #opencourseware is officially part of The OpenCourseWare Consortium ( http://www.ocwconsortium.org ) ... but any channel I start wouldn't be |
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melodie |
then name it ##opencourseware |
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melodie |
this will sound not so official |
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pdurbin |
heh. that *is* the freenode convention |
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melodie |
if they don't know the diff |
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melodie |
yes, you can tell them it is a freenode convention to show it's not official |
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melodie |
conventions are meant to be used |
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pdurbin |
I'm still more comfortable with having a unique name |
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melodie |
what is a unique name ? |
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pdurbin |
a name that does not imply it is part of a different organization |
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melodie |
ok then what about #opencourses ? |
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melodie |
:) |
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melodie |
pdurbin is thinking... ;-) |
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pdurbin |
hmm, maybe but when I wonder about something I often listen to podcasts about a topic rather than listening to or watching a full course |
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pdurbin |
in this way "wonderstudy" is more broad. it can refer to other forms of study besides courses |
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melodie |
humm |
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pdurbin |
you wonder about something, then you study it :) |
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melodie |
when I wonder about something, anything, I go to the chans I know and ask there |
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pdurbin |
sure, that could be on topic too :) |
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melodie |
if opening a chan dedicated to the people studying online with edx and other places mean having the same sort of direction then of what use would it be ? |
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pdurbin |
why have more than one channel, you are asking? |
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melodie |
if you open a chan dedicated to the people who don't have one yet, and make it have a name that is self-explanatory... |
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melodie |
then the people who want to help and get help for their studies throught the open course ware places will know it is the very chan for them |
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melodie |
they can be from any country: India, China, US, Uruguay, Spain, Germany, France, Quebec, Kenya : they will not wonder about this IRC wonderland ;-) |
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pdurbin |
heh |
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pdurbin |
well, at least it has the word "study" in it :) |
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pdurbin |
that helps, right? |
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pdurbin |
:) |
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melodie |
not really |
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pdurbin |
! |
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pdurbin |
I think it helps :) |
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melodie |
it might be a matter of semantics |
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pdurbin |
it definitely is :) |
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melodie |
what you think might not reflect what we see |
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melodie |
let me demonstrate to you |
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melodie |
https://www.edx.org/ |
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melodie |
do ctrl+f and type in study |
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melodie |
then |
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melodie |
do ctrl+f and type in course : what do you see ? |
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pdurbin |
nothing for "study" and a lot for "course" ... and it's the same at http://coursera.org of course... heh of "course" :) |
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pdurbin |
"naming a website is hard. Really, really hard" -- http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2008/04/help-name-our-website.html :) |
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pdurbin |
the same is true of IRC channels :) |
13:19 |
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pdurbin |
of course, I'll probably want a website for this too |
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pdurbin |
whatever the final name is :) |
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pdurbin |
melodie: again, at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/linuxvillage/2013-05-11#i_7050091 I told you I had thought of a "working title" ... which is #wonderstudy ... I'm ok with changing it if we can think of something better :) |
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pdurbin and this in my idea would be related to what people's minds have registered: when they register "courses" many times, the word "study" might refer more to their own hard work, than to what is provided to them... or this kind of thing |
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pdurbin |
hmm, you think the word "study" sounds somewhat negative? sounds like work? something difficult? |
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pdurbin |
while the word "course" refers to something they are happy and excited about, something they're getting for free in many cases :) |
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melodie |
I am not a specialist of semantics and of psychology, but I would say using a word which is commonly used in the websites dedicated to the courses would be better. |
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melodie |
it has chances to sound more attractive to people |
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melodie |
let me tell you about the recent creation of Linuxvillage |
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melodie |
with the two other persons we have discussed about the name by mail during several days :D |
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pdurbin |
I like the name linuxvillage |
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melodie |
I had a fun thought about farmville and suggested "linuxville" and we also where looking for something which could sound good as well in English as in French and we had many ideas of names, until turzin came out with linuxvillage : and we decided it was the ideal one |
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melodie |
the name is the key for a successful start. |
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pdurbin |
a good name is great but I think what's more important is to get people excited about the idea behind the name. and the idea can spread. as you have spread the idea of linuxvillage |
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pdurbin |
it sounds like you would prefer something like #onlinecourses |
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pdurbin |
but I'm not very excited about that because at the moment I'm not taking any online courses |
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melodie |
would you create a chan for yourself or for others ? :D |
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pdurbin |
heh |
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pdurbin |
well, I don't think I'm the only one doing this :) |
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melodie |
I have an idea |
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melodie |
create two chans |
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pdurbin |
to me "courses" is a bit too narrow |
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melodie |
one for you and one for others |
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pdurbin |
heh |
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melodie |
why is it narrow ? |
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melodie |
you could have : #opencourses |
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melodie |
and |
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melodie |
have #opencourses-off-topic |
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melodie |
for tchit tchat |
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pdurbin |
"courses" is too narrow for me because I'm learning a lot non-course material, such as talks from conferences such as JavaOne. if you look at "review" under http://wiki.greptilian.com/java/javaone/2012 you can see which talks I have listened to and what I thought about it |
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pdurbin |
these talks are not courses. they're each a single lecture |
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melodie |
ok then I have a third idea |
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melodie |
this could be #openlearning |
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melodie |
do you like it ? |
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pdurbin |
I like #openlearning better than #opencourses |
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melodie |
ok |
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melodie |
will you check if it is available ? |
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pdurbin |
meh. I still like #wonderstudy a little better :) |
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pdurbin |
melodie: whatever the name is, you want the IRC channel to be logged? |
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melodie |
yes, that can be convenient |
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melodie |
pdurbin why don't you ask their opinions to other people too ? or create the two chans ? |
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pdurbin |
well, I already dropped a link in #crimsonfu: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2013-05-11#i_7050195 |
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pdurbin |
maybe someone from there will join us :) |
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pdurbin |
melodie: you are welcome to invite people to join us here as well :) |
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melodie |
oh oh ! |
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pdurbin |
I love a good debate :) |
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melodie |
ok |
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melodie |
I am not sure they are going to be interested but I will right on |
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pdurbin |
if we can't even get people interested in joining in a discussion over what to call our IRC channel, I'm worried we won't ever find people who want to be in the IRC channel :) |
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melodie |
done, on three chans |
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melodie |
I am not |
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melodie |
I am sure I can bring people to a chan having for name #openlearning :) |
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melodie |
I am convinced 100% ! |
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pdurbin |
heh |
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pdurbin |
I just dropped a link here: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-05-11#t1368280123 |
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pdurbin |
melodie: ah, I see you dropped a link here: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/linuxvillage/2013-05-11#i_7050240 |
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pdurbin |
melodie: do the other 2 channels have logs? the channels where you asked? |
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OpTimus |
hi all |
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melodie |
no they don't ##programation and #cyber-nux are French chans |
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pdurbin |
OpTimus: oh hi! |
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melodie |
salut OpTimus ! |
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melodie |
pdurbin OpTimus is from #cyber-nux |
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pdurbin |
never heard of it but I'm sure it's awesome :) |
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OpTimus |
i'm glad to meet you pdurbin |
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pdurbin |
ditto |
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melodie |
OpTimus I try to convince pdurbin to use #openlearning as a name for a chan dedicated to learning, and he prefers #wonderstudy - this is a detail, but which name talks more to you ? |
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pdurbin |
OpTimus: if you are willing... it would be helpful if you read through the conversation so far: http://irclog.greptilian.com/wonderstudy/2013-05-11#i_6059 |
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OpTimus |
i'm already on it |
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pdurbin |
perfect |
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OpTimus |
the debate is very interesting |
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pdurbin |
melodie: when I said "what's not to like about #wonderstudy" it is like saying, "how is it possible that you do not like #wonderstudy?!?" :) |
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melodie |
pdurbin what I think is not about what I like but about what is self explanatory and likely to attract lots of people to talk together and help each other : create a very dynamic community ! |
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pdurbin |
melodie: that's the biggest thing you and I have in common I think... we both like building communities :) |
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melodie |
:D |
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melodie |
pdurbin my companion likes the name of your chan : his vote in your favor |
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melodie |
he thinks the name is very nice, and I have also explained him about understudy, he agrees it's not obvious but find the name of the chan cute |
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pdurbin |
\o/ |
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pdurbin |
I'm ok with cute |
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pdurbin |
I asked the people on Google+ about the name: https://plus.google.com/107770072576338242009/posts/eNwHbFEyDpj |
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melodie |
salut Goodbox ! |
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pdurbin |
Goodbox: welcome! |
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Goodbox |
Hi :) I come from #cyber-nux, just observing, o/ melodie :) |
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Goodbox |
Thanks ! |
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pdurbin |
jinx |
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melodie |
pdurbin can you explain them who you are and how you grabbed me at the #ubuntu-women chan one day to bring me to #crimsonfu ? |
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pdurbin |
melodie: better yet, they can read for themselves! http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/19/%23ubuntu-women-project.html :) |
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melodie |
Goodbox OpTimus pdurbin has given me information about http://edx.org and http://cs50.tv/fall - and has this page: http://people.iq.harvard.edu/~pdurbin |
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pdurbin |
I was just thinking, I should explain that I curate audio content at http://huffduffer.com/philipdurbin and http://huffduffer.com/pdurbin and https://soundcloud.com/philipdurbin |
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melodie |
and at some time I suggested to open a chan dedicated to all the courses provided on Internet, from universities and elsewhere |
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Goodbox |
Well i'm checking that |
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melodie |
pdurbin what does "curate" mean ? |
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melodie |
tu vois OpTimus des fois je demande aussi quand je ne sais pas |
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Goodbox |
melodie: there's undernet irc networke which purpose some courses in live |
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Goodbox |
Have you tried ? |
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melodie |
I don't know about it |
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melodie |
which server is that ? |
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Goodbox |
I heard about that, but i never took a visit |
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Goodbox |
http://www.undernet.org/servers/ |
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melodie |
Goodbox and this chan would not be about getting courses but rather helping each other and discuss about courses which already exist, such as cs50 |
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melodie |
or cs164 and others |
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melodie |
these courses have mailing lists, but no live chan |
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OpTimus |
what is cs164 |
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melodie |
a course at http://edx.org : you can check all available courses there |
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Goodbox |
cs50.tv is timing out |
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melodie |
is it ? |
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melodie |
http://cs50.tv/2011/fall/ |
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melodie |
this is the right url |
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Goodbox |
thank's |
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OpTimus |
i think that live courses is good for some persons who don't have time in journey or night |
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Goodbox |
Then we're talking about educatives ability and accesseibility for everyone ? |
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OpTimus |
yes |
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OpTimus |
but it still rest a serious problem in many countries undevelopped |
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pdurbin |
I need to take my daughter to ballet soon. people shouldn't feel required to announce when they are going to be away from keyboard though :) ... I will catch up later by reading the IRC log |
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Goodbox |
Good afternoon :) |
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OpTimus |
Good afternoon |
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OpTimus |
and have fun with fun with your daughter |
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melodie |
ok pdurbin see you soon and have a nice time |
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melodie |
OpTimus journay is voyage, you may have meant "day" ? |
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slystone |
yop |
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melodie |
salut slystone ! |
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slystone |
Chalut melodie :) |
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slystone |
Je viens de rentrer en Normandie, et je rentre demain à Paname. :) |
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melodie |
eh les gars on peut parler en français maintenant ! (ou pas ? 0_0 : le chan est loggué) |
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slystone |
Je récupère bientôt mon temps et la fibre ! \o/ |
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OpTimus |
okay |
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slystone |
melodie: whatever works! |
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slystone |
o/ OpTimus |
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slystone |
Prime? |
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melodie |
slystone tu peux rattraper la discussion de ici en lisant cette page: http://irclog.greptilian.com/wonderstudy/2013-05-11 |
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OpTimus |
en chair et en binaire |
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melodie |
je dois y aller aussi |
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melodie |
à bientôt |
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OpTimus |
melodie, je vois que le lien sur le cs5O est tres interessant |
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melodie |
OpTimus j'ai commencé, et aussi modifié l'application cs50 |
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melodie |
je te montre vite fait ce que je propose: |
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melodie |
https://github.com/cs50/appliance50/issues |
14:22 |
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melodie |
j'ai fait deux versions modifiées et mises en ligne, en fr et en en mais je préfèrerais pouvoir installer leurs applications d'apprentissage sur une ubuntu mini openbox et en faire une iso... |
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melodie |
leur application est une machine virtuelle pouvant aller sous vmware ou virtualbox au choix, donc ça marche sur toutes plateformes, sauf que dans ma machine ça laguait grave alors j'ai ajouté zram avec une install spéciale |
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OpTimus |
ha je vois |
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slystone |
melodie: ok merci |
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OpTimus |
c'est vraiment cool |
14:24 |
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melodie |
plaisir ! c'est un super cours ! |
14:24 |
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OpTimus |
je vais bien m'occuper |
14:24 |
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OpTimus |
en fait je voudrais te demander |
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melodie |
quoi ? |
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OpTimus |
selon le tuto de coyotus |
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OpTimus |
ou il fallait installer MingW |
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Goodbox |
hi slystone :) |
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OpTimus |
je sais pas trop comment lancer cette appli une fois que je l'ai installlé |
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melodie |
no idea |
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melodie |
what is MingW anyhow ? |
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Goodbox |
Mingw is an gnu layer implemetation of gcc for window |
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OpTimus |
but i don't what really he can do |
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melodie |
OpTimus wouldn't asking at #cyber-nux more relevant ? |
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melodie |
http://www.mingw.org/ |
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melodie |
"MinGW provides a complete Open Source programming tool set which is suitable for the development of native MS-Windows applications, and which do not depend on any 3rd-party C-Runtime DLLs. ... " |
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melodie |
and voila! |
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melodie |
;D |
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pdurbin |
oh good. English again :) |
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Goodbox |
OpTimus: mingw can be a part of a M$ survival kit :p |
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slystone |
yop Goodbox |
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slystone |
Goodbox: est-ce que t'habites Paname par hasard ? |
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OpTimus |
je vois |
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Goodbox |
slystone: nan, alsace :p |
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slystone |
Goodbox: ok tant pis. |
14:32 |
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Goodbox |
slystone: :/ |
14:32 |
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Goodbox |
j'aurais pu t'aider pour quelque chose ? |
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melodie |
pdurbin if you take a beginner course to learn French we can help you ! |
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Goodbox |
Sachez que ma porte est grande ouverte aux utilisateurs de LL :) |
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slystone |
Goodbox: on cherche des modems 56k afin de les envoyer en Syrie, et d'aider les habitants à rester connectés au monde. |
14:33 |
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Goodbox |
slystone: Oh, ça c'est une belle mission ! |
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slystone |
Goodbox: yep ! C'est jujusete qui m'a demandé en fait. Elle en a besoin pour demain soir ou lundi midi, je ne sais plus. |
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Goodbox |
D'acc, je vais voir, j'ai un vieux modem 8noeuds, je crois qu'il ne fonctionne plus, sinon j'ai des modems adsl de 2004/5 |
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Goodbox |
si ça peut servir |
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slystone |
Goodbox: hum, si ça marche pour le 56k, c'est tout bon. Demande à jujusete. Tu ne vas pas pouvoir les envoyer sur Paname à temps je pense. |
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Goodbox |
yep :/ |
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Goodbox |
Je pense qu'il à également prévu une infrastructure pour leur faire parvenir un internet potable ? proxy et tunnel ? |
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pdurbin |
melodie: well, we should decide early if this channel will be English-preferred (which I would like) or not |
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OpTimus |
des modems de 56k? |
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OpTimus |
il y'a des clé internet 3g qui font le travail 2 fois plus |
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OpTimus |
et puis cela aide a rester toujours ouvert meme quand on est dans un bunker :) |
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pdurbin |
melodie: because honestly this channel quickly becomes uninteresting to me if I can't understand what is being said because I can't read the language :( |
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Goodbox |
OpTimus: je sais pas si il y a la 3G là bas OpTimus x) |
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pdurbin |
I'm not trying to be rude... I'm trying to be honest :) |
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Goodbox |
pdurbin: Sure, this is an english chan |
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Goodbox |
pdurbin: sorry, slystone was talking to me about sending 56k modems in Syria, to keep humans connecteds |
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Goodbox |
It would be wonderful, as you said slystone , if jujesete win his post of modems |
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slystone |
pdurbin: sorry for that, I'll try to speak English. |
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slystone |
pdurbin: once I asked melodie if it would not be better if there were two chanels, one in English and one in French. |
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slystone |
She told me it worked, and that it was no problem. So I thought we could use both languages. |
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slystone |
No offence taken. ;) |
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slystone |
And sometimes I'm just too lazy to type in English, even if I'm fully bilingual. |
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Goodbox |
slystone: Haha, you "tryed" :p, that's my case ! not your ! |
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slystone |
Goodbox: gnagnagna :p |
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Goodbox |
Hi Darkos80 |
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slystone |
o/ Darkos80 |
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melodie |
pdurbin I wanted to provide fast information to OpTimus about the courses because he told me his is not fluent enough in English, so I told him and Goodbox about the cs50 especially and about the work I have done on the appliance when I started |
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melodie |
nothing more |
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slystone |
pdurbin: also, I think that a bilingual chan is interesting (what is #linuxvillage) because we can both learn from each other. |
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melodie |
hi Darkos80 ! |
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melodie |
slystone pdurbin does not talk french at all, and here will be an international channel so we'd better talk English here in fact |
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slystone |
But I'll obide to whatever rule is set for this chan of course. :) |
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slystone |
melodie: roger! I'll type in English then. |
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melodie |
pdurbin sorry I gave the bad example. My fault! |
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pdurbin |
thank you very much :) |
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slystone |
^^ |
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pdurbin |
we should try to use plain English though, so non-native speakers can better understand |
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slystone |
pdurbin: haha, that will be tricky! |
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Goodbox |
I purpose we ask in french specific terms if we don't know, i'm sure melodie and slystone will return the answer with pleasure ! |
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slystone |
Goodbox: well, you can count on me. ;) I don't have always the answer (especially for technical terms), but I studied English literature and civilizatons at University, so I should be able to help. :) |
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Goodbox |
Nice, it will permit to improve my expression ! :) |
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slystone |
:) |
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slystone |
Goodbox: you know ##English I suppose? |
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Goodbox |
Oh no, I missed this chan |
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pdurbin |
melodie: when I said I like to curate audio content I mean that I listen to a lot of audio content and try to link the the best stuff, the stuff I think people will like |
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pdurbin |
people are encouraged to drop links to interesting audio content in here :) |
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pdurbin |
video content too. recently I figured out how to quickly convert mp4 to mp3 (or ogg) on my server and add the audio to a podcast feed to get it onto my phone to listen to |
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pdurbin |
conversion is just `ffmpeg -i video.mp4 audio.mp3` ... then I run the script from https://github.com/inoks/dropcast to make it into a feed |
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Goodbox |
Distributing content in free formats is a great thing |
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pdurbin |
Goodbox: yes. have you seen #oggcastplanet on freenode or http://oggcastplanet.blogspot.com/ ? I saw the channel at http://hackerpublicradio.org |
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pdurbin |
oh, you can see what I mean in the "feeds" folder at http://tmp.greptilian.com but I'm not sure how stable that URL will be. it might go away. I'll probably find a more permanent home for this idea in the future |
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Goodbox |
okay, the rss feed is working fine ! |
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pdurbin |
cool. mostly I use that rss feed in BeyondPod on my android phone |
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pdurbin |
but it should work on any podcatcher. I would hope |
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Goodbox |
It seems be good for all rss reader |
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pdurbin |
I find that in many cases I don't need to watch a video lecture. it's enough to listen to the audio, which I can do while I'm washing dishes, folding laundry, etc. |
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pdurbin |
znk: welcome! |
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pdurbin |
slystone: my logging bot (philbot) disconnected for a while so the last few lines didn't get logged :( |
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pdurbin |
you were talking about Shaarli |
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pdurbin |
"Shaarli is a minimalist delicious clone you can install on your own website" -- http://sebsauvage.net/wiki/doku.php?id=php:shaarli |
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pdurbin |
and I was saying it reminds me a bit of http://devlog.spilth.org/about/ which is "inspired by http://sourcefu.com " |
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pdurbin |
and how I started #sourcefu ... which is a place to talk about programming |
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slystone |
Well, I was saying that the presentation is pretty… short. |
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pdurbin |
slystone: for devlog? yeah |
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pdurbin |
I like it when people try out new ideas though, when they experiment |
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pdurbin |
#wonderstudy is only a few hours old... just an experiment for now :) |
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pdurbin |
but who knows, if we like the name (still up for debate) we can register a domain and set up a website |
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slystone |
Me too. I just expect a few details when someone is presenting a project, especially since there are so many possibilities. |
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pdurbin |
yeah |
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pdurbin |
melodie: you're back! maybe because you saw me update this: Learning new things online with universities - http://beta.linuxvillage.net/index.php/topic,298.0.html ;) |
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pdurbin |
I couldn't resist linking to the first day of #wonderstudy logs :) |
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slystone |
melodie: you never stay connected on IRC? You should use a bouncer or your server. |
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pdurbin |
I was just saying the name is still up for debate :) |
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Goodbox |
Personally i'm just running irssi inside a screen session, that's fine :D |
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melodie |
ok |
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melodie |
welcome back to all ! |
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Goodbox |
Re melodie ! |
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melodie |
he Goodbox |
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Goodbox |
I dunno how we say the french "Re" |
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Goodbox |
x) |
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Goodbox |
Hi TechDesk ! |
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TechDesk |
lut |
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melodie |
hello TechDesk welcome here ! |
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pdurbin |
TechDesk: welcome! |
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pdurbin |
Goodbox: me too but weechat instead of irssi |
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Goodbox |
:3 |
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Goodbox |
There is often splits on freenode these lasts hours |
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Goodbox |
unusual |
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pdurbin |
quite unusual |
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pdurbin |
I think that's why my logging bot (philbot) dropped out earlier. usually it reconnects automatically though |
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pdurbin |
melodie: are you tired of debating the name? ;) |
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pdurbin |
does anyone like a name other than "wonderstudy" better? |
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Goodbox |
I find this name is well appropriated :) |
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pdurbin |
appropriated? you think the name is ok? |
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Goodbox |
Owh yes, appropriate |
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Goodbox |
Damn it I learned english at school... |
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pdurbin |
I only speak one language :( |
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pdurbin |
well, a little bit of Spanish |
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pdurbin |
and my three year old is teaching me some Chinese |
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melodie |
pdurbin what would you wish ? Do you wish more ideas for names or do you stick to this idea fermly as a mold on it's rock ? :) |
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pdurbin |
dà for "big" |
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Goodbox |
Speaking one lanugage seems good enough ! :) |
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pdurbin |
heh |
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pdurbin |
wonderstudy is only a few hours old but already it is moldy ;) |
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Goodbox |
did you find it moldy :o |
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pdurbin |
melodie: I don't know what I wish for. I'm ok with changing the name if someone can think of a fun and awesome name |
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Goodbox |
Maybe interpretation of this name differs by native languages of people reading it |
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Goodbox |
Generally for french people, english consonance sound pretty well |
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TechDesk |
y'est-ce |
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pdurbin |
"I think the problem that you're running into is "native English speakers will consider the name catchy and clever" vs "non-native English speakers (or even differently-educated English speakers) won't know what you're talking about." Clever+ unambiguous are hard streams to cross." -- Amy Rich at https://plus.google.com/107770072576338242009/posts/eNwHbFEyDpj |
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melodie |
Goodbox |
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melodie |
Goodbox <pdurbin> wonderstudy is a play on words, it sounds like understudy |
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melodie |
<pdurbin> an understudy is an actor or actress who learns all the lines for a part and is ready to perform if someone gets sick and can not perform |
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pdurbin |
I'm actually pretty happy Amy thinks it's clever :) |
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pdurbin |
catchy even! |
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melodie |
pdurbin all seem to like the name for now so let's just grab lots of people who want to help each other for studies and throw them here ? ;-) |
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Goodbox |
Yes, i'm agree |
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pdurbin |
ok! |
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pdurbin |
should we have a website? |
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TechDesk |
y'est-ce aïe âme à grès |
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Goodbox |
It might be intersting for presenting ideas and contents |
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melodie |
pdurbin no, what for ? |
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melodie |
Goodbox the websites are already out there... pdurbin edx and so on ? |
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pdurbin |
well, we can wait |
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melodie |
unless you want a page to gather them all ? |
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melodie |
such as: |
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pdurbin |
I think we might want one eventually. let's think about it |
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melodie |
http://wonderstudy.wordpress.com ? :D |
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pdurbin |
no no, we can buy a domain |
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melodie |
yes, that does not cost much |
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melodie |
about 6 euros TVA included here |
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pdurbin |
and we can host it for free on GitHub Pages: http://pages.github.com |
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pdurbin |
melodie: do you want to buy it? :) |
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melodie |
no I don't |
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pdurbin |
ok, no worries :) |
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melodie |
in fact I'd like to sell stuff, not buy :D |
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pdurbin |
ok, we have a website now: http://wonderstudy.github.io |
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pdurbin |
the source of it is here: https://github.com/wonderstudy/wonderstudy.github.io |
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pdurbin |
pull requests welcome :) |
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pdurbin |
melodie: I made you an owner: https://github.com/wonderstudy?tab=members |
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melodie |
why ? |
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pdurbin |
in case I get hit by a bus |
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melodie |
:o |
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melodie |
don't, you have children and they need you |
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pdurbin |
it could happen. crazy drivers in Boston. and I bike a lot |
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pdurbin |
I'll be careful. but I *did* get hit hard enough a few months ago (while I was stopped at a red light!) that my back wheel was bent and need to be replaced: https://plus.google.com/107770072576338242009/posts/99xPso8Tkka |
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slystone |
pdurbin: it's a good thing your three year old is learning Chinese. If you learn a foreign language before the age of seven, it's better. |
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pdurbin |
slystone: yes. and my six year old is learning Spanish in school. it's great |
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slystone |
:) |
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melodie |
oh, that's bad! |
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pdurbin |
my three year old is really into Chinese. it's so cute :) |
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melodie |
terrible drivers |
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melodie |
the schools are pretty good at your place. is that public schools or private ? |
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slystone |
pdurbin | it could happen. crazy drivers in Boston. and I bike a lot ← tell me about it. :( Same in Paris. I ended up on a car hood a month ago. |
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pdurbin |
slystone: ! |
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slystone |
(while rollerblading) |
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pdurbin |
melodie: public schools. they're very good |
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melodie |
how lucky ! |
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pdurbin |
well, we picked a town with good schools :) |
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melodie |
slystone we would like to have such good schools for the kids in France, wouldn't we ? |
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slystone |
pdurbin: awwwwwwwww! I'm a little jealous. And indeed, it must be pretty sweet to see your kid learning Chinese. ^^ |
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melodie |
pdurbin oh, I see. Anyhow I think we don't find this in France in public schools |
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pdurbin |
slystone: I need to get a video of her singing the Chinese color song |
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slystone |
melodie: well yes! But right now, there is no plan to begin teaching a foreign language in pre-school. |
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melodie |
pdurbin when you get it I'll be interested too |
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slystone |
(which is very unfortunate) |
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melodie |
slystone in France there are too many hours of class and not enough for life |
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melodie |
pdurbin my son was in 10th grade last year (we say 6th in France) and the number of hours per week was around 40/41 |
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melodie |
it does not end there, there are still some homework after. :s |
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Goodbox |
For my part, I leave school when I was 17 years old, there was no way to work and demotivated teachers... |
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slystone |
http://www.babylangues.com/english/why-start-so-young.php ← I've applied to work here. They asked me for a second letter, wait and see… |
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pdurbin |
slystone: nice |
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melodie |
slystone good! |
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slystone |
melodie: I don't know if there are too many hours. The main problem to me is after elementary school. You have a same school for everybody, which is insane, because some want to drop school simply, some are very advanced and are bored to death, and some already know what they want to achieved, and are frustrated. |
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melodie |
slystone I have met a girl in a US school where I have been during one year. She used to speak fluently 4 languages as she had been living since she was born in contact with people of the 4 different languages |
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slystone |
melodie: yep, it makes it so easy. |
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melodie |
she could speak either or and think in each of them currently |
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slystone |
At an English conversation table I had organized, I met someone who can speak ten languages. He was lucky enough to have a mother from Poland (who spoke Yiddish, German, and Polish), and to have a father from Portugal (who spoke Spanish too), and who had met in France. |
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slystone |
Lucky bastard! |
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NoNa |
ah coucou |
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pdurbin |
NoNa: welcome! |
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melodie |
hello NoNa ! |
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NoNa |
huhu merci :) |
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melodie |
I forgot to tell you we must all talk in English here because it's international |
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pdurbin |
thank goodness :) |
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melodie |
and the main owner of the chan does not speak French either ^^ |
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Goodbox |
hi NoNa :) |
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NoNa |
hi Goodbox |
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* NoNa |
speak english very bad |
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melodie |
NoNa you may learn by practice, and this will also be very good for your computing studies |
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melodie |
did you know pdurbin is a famous coder ? |
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NoNa |
no I did'nt know |
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NoNa |
don(t |
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NoNa |
don't |
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NoNa |
arf |
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slystone |
o/ NoNa |
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NoNa |
o/ slystone |
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slystone |
:) |
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pdurbin |
ha! |
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NoNa |
I go to work my english here |
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pdurbin |
I'm a hack |
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melodie |
NoNa this is what pdurbin does: http://people.iq.harvard.edu/~pdurbin |
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pdurbin |
I do think I'm getting better... practice, practice :) |
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melodie |
pdurbin NoNa is a student in computer sciences in Toulouse, the pink city |
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pdurbin |
NoNa: which languages have you studied so far? |
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NoNa |
well, I do c++, javascript, sql, and html css |
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pdurbin |
ah. very nice! |
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slystone |
melodie: you should explain the meaning of “ the Pink City ”. :p |
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pdurbin |
NoNa: you can improve out website: http://wonderstudy.github.io ... it's quite simple... it could be much better :) |
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pdurbin |
our* |
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slystone |
pdurbin: do you know MySecureShell? |
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pdurbin |
slystone: no... |
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slystone |
ok, nevermind! |
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pdurbin |
my kids would love a pink city. they're so girly |
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slystone |
pdurbin: http://www.meditatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Toulouse-Ville.jpg |
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pdurbin |
look what they did to my chair: https://plus.google.com/109940583958656614840/posts/Sd5EXf8utcA ! |
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pdurbin |
slystone: pretty! |
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slystone |
pdurbin: kr kr kr! I bet you're so happy to seat in this chair! ^^ |
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pdurbin |
grrr! ;) |
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Goodbox |
they are cutes! |
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slystone |
^^ |
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slystone |
Goodbox: yes they are! |
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Goodbox |
(cutes take a "s") |
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Goodbox |
? |
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slystone |
Goodbox: no! :p |
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Goodbox |
rho :/ |
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slystone |
:) |
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pdurbin |
they are cute |
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pdurbin |
they are cuties :) |
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pdurbin |
so at http://wonderstudy.github.io I'll probably make a list of free courses I've listened to. and some I want to listen to some day. and some podcasts I listen to that might be of interest |
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pdurbin |
maybe we should have "member" pages. so I can put all that stuff under a page called "pdurbin" |
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pdurbin |
or we could have a common page for computer science. and a page for biology. or whatever |
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NoNa |
sorry I've childrens pdurbin and they are so agitated |
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NoNa |
and I 'm not here always |
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pdurbin |
NoNa: believe me. I understand agitated children :) ... and I often step away from the keyboard for a long time. which is probably healthy :) |
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Goodbox |
Anyone know a little open-source raytracer ? |
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NoNa |
allright |
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pdurbin |
Goodbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POV-Ray via http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/24 |
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Goodbox |
I'm doing performances tests between glibc and musl static binaries, I guess raytracer might suit |
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pdurbin |
POV-Ray - The Persistence of Vision Raytracer - http://www.povray.org |
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Goodbox |
thank's pdurbin , I tought pov-ray, but he's coded in c++ :/ I missed to precice a C x) |
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Goodbox |
however I can tune the musl-gcc wrapper to statically build povray anyway |
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pdurbin |
musl-gcc? |
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Goodbox |
this is a wrapper calling the musl standard C library instead of glibc |
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Goodbox |
I found this little obfuscated raytracer winner of ioccc, however, it doesn't use math.h http://www.ioccc.org/2004/gavare.c :/ |
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Goodbox |
Argggh I hate obfuscated code |
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looks at http://www.musl-libc.org |
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slystone |
'night! (I'm beat) |
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NoNa |
good night |
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Goodbox |
gn slystone :) |
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NoNa |
me too |
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slystone |
thanx :) (afk) |
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melodie |
hello again |
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pdurbin |
melodie: hi! |
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pdurbin |
I just updated http://wonderstudy.github.io with some actual content |
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pdurbin |
some recommendations, etc. |
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melodie |
hi ! |
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melodie |
oh did you ? |
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pdurbin |
what do you think? |
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melodie |
pdurbin more here if you want to visit them and select a few more ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opencourseware |
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melodie |
unless you want to link directly to that page ? |
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melodie |
I think you have been working a lot |
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melodie |
very nice! |
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pdurbin |
melodie: hmm, long page. maybe you mean these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opencourseware#See_also |
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melodie |
among else, yes. From this page I jumped on that one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_Circle_Network |
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melodie |
which is at the end of this part: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opencourseware#Americas |
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melodie |
so if you restrict just to the "See_also" it might be short |
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melodie |
perhaps visiting them little by little and adding them to the page you wrote would be an idea |
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melodie |
pdurbin I notice this part in your page: |
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melodie |
"The easiest way to join the conversation is via http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=wonderstudy but desktop IRC clients include irssi, weechat, Pidgin, or Adium " |
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melodie |
you don't mention xchat, and if you do you could also add a few forks from xchat which I can point to |
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melodie |
such as hexchat: |
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melodie |
5 community/hexchat 2.9.5-4 |
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melodie |
A popular and easy to use graphical IRC (chat) client |
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melodie |
which is free open source, available as well for linux as for windows |
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pdurbin |
melodie: because you are owner of the wonderstudy github organization you should be able to click Edit at https://github.com/wonderstudy/wonderstudy.github.io/blob/master/index.md and edit the page right from your browser. can you please give this a try? |
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pdurbin |
(no pull request necessary) |
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melodie |
I will but not tonight |
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melodie |
I am starting to be sleepy and I just uploaded two images which I am staring at for the time being |
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melodie |
I have to post about them |
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pdurbin |
ok. no hurry |
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melodie |
pdurbin I would not want to put risk in the edit move. :) |
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pdurbin |
melodie: you could start by adding one word :) |
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melodie |
no I won't |
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melodie |
I will do that when mind fresh and some quiet around. :) |
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melodie |
I will check the log of now from here and add a few things |
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melodie |
accordingly |
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melodie |
just incase I don't remember exactly what I wanted to add, of course |
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melodie |
pdurbin ? |
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melodie |
I am talking about #wonderstudy at #linuxchix on irc.linuxchix.org |
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pdurbin |
ok |
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melodie |
hi soulshake |
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soulshake |
o/ |
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melodie |
pdurbin is gone :( |
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melodie |
but the chan is still logged so |
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melodie |
<aj> melodie: your links remind me of another neat site: http://www.noexcuselist.com/ |
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melodie |
now it will be kept aside |
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