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HAPPY VJUG DAY! :) |
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yo |
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Same to you Simon :) |
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shelajev |
hello people! |
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sjmaple |
hey millrossjez :) |
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pathfinder2104 |
Hello :) |
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hi everyone |
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sjmaple |
about to get started real soon! |
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sjmaple |
excited about this one! |
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millrossjez |
all set :) |
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pathfinder2104 |
:) |
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charles-k |
:D |
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molaroyal |
hey |
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mikeb |
Hi Guys! |
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shelajev |
is the video feed live yet? |
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pathfinder2104 |
yeah |
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shelajev |
great! :) |
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or he could have bought IntelliJ :) |
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SomeNonsenseNick |
flame on :) |
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I'd surely kick Eclipse out of my life if it'd take 6mins to boot up ... :D |
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charles-k |
hahaha :D |
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sandor_nemeth |
no matter how I love it :D |
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mikeb |
Netbeans rocks! |
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shelajev |
:D |
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shelajev |
just stop restarting it already! |
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shelajev |
btw, have you tried Mars yet? |
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shelajev |
it's supposed to be quite faster |
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sandor_nemeth |
no .. I try to stick at least the released versions .. they have enough bugs .. :D |
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sjmaple |
SomeNonsenseNick: hahaha :) |
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pm771 |
Simon, should we have Google Group or another forum for Book Club? |
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h0h0h0 |
Can someone let me know what blog was referenced earlier in the introduciton. I'd like to know more about Java agents. |
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sjmaple |
h0h0h0: http://zeroturnaround.com/rebellabs/how-to-inspect-classes-in-your-jvm/ |
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shelajev |
http://zeroturnaround.com/rebellabs/how-to-inspect-classes-in-your-jvm/ |
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sjmaple |
beat you shelajev :P |
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pathfinder2104 |
:D |
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shelajev |
Simon 'fast fingers' Maple! |
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pathfinder2104 |
:D :D |
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sjmaple |
heh |
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sandor_nemeth |
cowboy hat's on :D |
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pm771 |
I hear feedback. Anybody else? |
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mikeb |
no feedback here, audio's fine |
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sjmaple |
yeh, Rabea didn't have an external mic, so she's using laptop mic |
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sjmaple |
so might be a little rought |
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sjmaple |
so might be a little rough |
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sandor_nemeth |
some disturbance here in the audio feed, but I can understand her, so fine |
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shelajev |
as always, if you have questions just post them here |
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shelajev |
and we'll forward that to Rabea |
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h0h0h0 |
@shelajev @sjmaple thanks to both of you. Deducting points from sjmaple for bragging |
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:D |
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sandor_nemeth |
@sjmaple @shelajev will the slides be available somewhere? |
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shelajev |
sure, we'll publish a writeup about the session on zeroturnaround.com/rebellabs and there will be all links |
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sjmaple |
yep, I'll ask rabea for them and will put them up on the virtualjug.com site with the replay |
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sandor_nemeth |
thanks! |
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shelajev |
also on the virtualjug.org, all the sessions have some minor info and all the materials |
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sjmaple |
.com :) |
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sandor_nemeth |
I was just about to ask that is there a .org too? :D |
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sjmaple |
oh wow, I just noticed I purchased .org too and it forwards to .com :) |
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sandor_nemeth |
then it's ok :D |
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pathfinder2104 |
:) :) |
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pm771 |
Didn't know about Local History. Nice. |
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tushar |
screen is very blunt |
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tushar |
unable to see clearly |
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sandor_nemeth |
cool, that I didn't know :) |
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sandor_nemeth |
for macs .. :D |
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tushar |
please correct |
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sjmaple |
what do you mean blunt, tushar? |
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SomeNonsenseNick |
means fuzzy |
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SomeNonsenseNick |
badnwidth issue more likely |
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sandor_nemeth |
nothing like that here .. |
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tushar |
nop, it was ok before |
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charles-k |
it's working fine here |
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tushar |
k |
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SomeNonsenseNick |
blurry now again |
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sjmaple |
click the cog at the bottom of the window |
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pathfinder2104 |
check the video quality |
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sjmaple |
and change quality from Auto to HD |
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sjmaple |
that's most likely it |
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SomeNonsenseNick |
stupid auto |
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pathfinder2104 |
:) :) |
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SomeNonsenseNick |
yep that sorted it |
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sjmaple |
yeh, I wish there was a way it could be HD by default |
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sandor_nemeth |
do you know if I can pop out the chat window? |
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sjmaple |
maybe there is and I just don't know about it |
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sjmaple |
it's #virtualjug in freenode |
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sandor_nemeth |
@sjmaple for me it was hd by default |
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sandor_nemeth |
@sjmaple thanks |
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sjmaple |
interesting, maybe that was the default as your broadband is 1337 :) |
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tushar |
by changing to HD it is workin fine |
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sjmaple |
great |
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tushar |
thanks |
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chiuki |
What is the plugin that shows the keyboard shortcuts on screen? Super useful! |
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sjmaple |
I'll ask :) |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
@chiuki: possibly MouseFeed :) |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
as it says on the top |
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sjmaple |
ahh yeh :) |
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pathfinder2104 |
Hmmm its MouseFeed |
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pm771 |
For Eclipse, can you please state if it's Mars only (or already in Luna)? |
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pathfinder2104 |
yes |
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pathfinder2104 |
no its in luna too |
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pathfinder2104 |
I use it |
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pathfinder2104 |
is there a plugin using which I can change the color of tabs opened ? based on the java package |
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pathfinder2104 |
in eclipse |
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Merikan |
For consistent coding styles between different editors and IDEs then editorconfig is a good choice http://editorconfig.org/ |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
@Merikan .. do you know if eclipse supports .editorconfig? |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
or netbeans .. I know that Webstorm supports that, that most probably means that IntelliJ supports that also |
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Mickael |
sandor_nemeth_ AFAIK, no support for editorconfig in Eclipse. Some people were willing to implement it in the past, but nothing concretehappen https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=389139 |
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Merikan |
IntelliJ supports it, Eclipse I don't know. |
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sjmaple |
nice that IntelliJ support is out the box too |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
fyi .. for netbeans there is an open issue https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=240398 |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
and there's an issue at editorconfig's github |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
https://github.com/editorconfig/editorconfig/issues/86 |
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pathfinder2104 |
Is she using Mars? |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
I think so |
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shelajev |
yeah, this is Mars M7 I think |
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shelajev |
it was somewhere on the slides |
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shelajev |
but all the things should be in Luna as well, or most of the things |
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pathfinder2104 |
ok |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
question to Rabea: is there any shortcut in Eclipse to switch between perspectives? |
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Mickael |
sandor_nemeth_ not by default AFAIK, but you can assign a shortcut via Windows > Preferences > General > Keys |
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shelajev |
I always wondered how to pick useful new shortcuts |
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shelajev |
so they won't conflict with the existing ones |
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shelajev |
and without turning Eclipse into Emacs |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
cool, thanks :) |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
that's very useful |
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TreebeardThe2nd |
Confirmed. Mylyn will do just that. |
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sjmaple |
cool, thanks TreebeardThe2nd |
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pathfinder2104 |
thanks simon |
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Mickael |
shalejev: the shortcut configuration page of Eclipse doesn't highlight conflicts, but that would be an interesting feature to request on bugs.eclipse.org |
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sjmaple |
what would happen in a conflict? |
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sjmaple |
Math.random() :) |
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mikeb |
CTRL+SHIFT+L is good, shows you a list of key bindings |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
@Mickael I am not really amused of eclipse's bugs.eclipse.org .. and how they handle the feature requests |
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Mickael |
sjmaple: if you don't have a coin to throw, assign same shortcut to 2 actions, try the shortcut, and see which one happens ;) |
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sjmaple |
:D |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
@Rabea: if we report it, you can just hope that it'll get fixed at some point .. |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=384065 |
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sjmaple |
final questions to Rabea please :) |
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Mickael |
sandor_nemeth_: reaction depend on people/projects, sometimes it can be frustrating indeed, but that's always worth reporting |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
I have none more, thanks to Rabea for the great presentation :) |
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shouldIeclipseEc |
is it worth using IntelliJ community edition or is it too limited compared to the full version? |
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shelajev |
shouldIeclipseEc, community edition is quite comprehensive |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
@Mickael.. yeah, that's true .. however you experience some of these, and then you just probably switch to something else |
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shelajev |
but there's some features missing |
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shelajev |
like javascript |
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shelajev |
database viewer |
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shelajev |
some application servers support (maybe, I didn't check for a long time) |
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shelajev |
but you'll feel the experience |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
@shouldIeclipseEc a lot of features missing from community edition (spring support, jsp support, basically everything that's EE) |
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shelajev |
and will be able to decide for yourself |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
I think if you do JavaSE you should be good enough |
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shelajev |
like to see how you feel about the debugger |
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pathfinder2104 |
thanks Rabea |
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miuch |
what about JS CSS development in IDE |
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miuch |
? |
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TreebeardThe2nd |
thanks Rabea great presentation. |
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millrossjez |
as Sandor points out, it's the more enterprisey tools that don't come with the Community Edition of IntelliJ |
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sjmaple |
any final questions? |
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miuch |
@millrossjez what about js,css dev in ij community and professional ? |
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shouldIeclipseEc |
Thanks all. |
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shelajev |
miuch, professional |
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millrossjez |
i've not done js/css in community, so can't compare them, sorry |
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shelajev |
I think |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
@miuch: should work in the professional version |
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miuch |
thx |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
will not in the community |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
but I'd suggest Webstorm for that |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
it's much more targeted, and have great js / angularjs / etc |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
support |
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miuch |
for node.js dev do you think webstorm would be better than intellij professional with node.js plugin ? |
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miuch |
i have intellij license |
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miuch |
but not webstorm :) |
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h0h0h0_ |
Question: Sharing Intellij settings in Version Control; what files should we NOT share? |
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millrossjez |
intellij ultimate enables everything you can get in webstorm |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
@miuch I have no idea .. to be hones |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
*honest |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
I mostly use Sublime Text to JS dev :) |
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miuch |
@millrossjez thx |
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millrossjez |
webstorm is basically a limited subset of the plugins available to the ultimate edition |
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miuch |
i see, thx |
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h0h0h0_ |
Got it. exclude workspace.xml |
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chiuki |
Thank you Rabea! Great tips. |
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Mickael |
Thanks Rebea and vJug |
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pathfinder2104 |
thanks simon |
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mikeb |
Many thanks! |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
thanks @vJug, was great :) |
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sandor_nemeth_ |
see you next time :) |
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TreebeardThe2nd |
Great stuff. Thanks :) |
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thanks everyone, see you next time! |
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see you all! |
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