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16:50 sjmaple hello everyone!
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16:51 michel_slm hello!
16:51 Russel hello Simon
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16:51 benhur hello hello !
16:51 ewelyyyna hi :)
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16:53 sjmaple let's hope this all works, eh ;)
16:53 cafrjbr Hello!
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16:56 shelajev hi people :)
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16:58 Arghya Hi All
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16:59 Reef hi every body
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16:59 GHajba hello together
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16:59 nynt where are people joining from? I'm joining from New York
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17:00 LuckyJack San Francisco!
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17:00 werner I'm from Brazil
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17:00 ekabanov vJUG ftw! :)
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17:01 cirix Hello from Luxembourg from a greek guy :)
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17:01 theotown Hi all!
17:01 cirix happy hacking
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17:01 maxleojunior3 h everyone
17:01 slaskawi Hey, Bydgoszcz Poland
17:01 theotown We've starting in just a minute
17:01 maxleojunior3 hi everyone
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17:01 sjmaple we're going to start very shortly... on with James at the moment - http://virtualjug.com/#live for the session
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17:01 NamanShah Hello, from Gujarat,india
17:01 slaskawi prondzyn: Hey! :)
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17:01 michel_slm Jakarta, Indonesia -- midnight here :)
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17:02 prondzyn slaskawi: cześć :)
17:02 HarmeetSingh waiting for father of java
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17:02 nickolay I though the mother
17:02 javajon Hello from: www.linkedin.com/in/javajon
17:02 guybert @guybert here
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17:03 HarmeetSingh @simon when the meetup is start ?
17:04 shelajev and we're live
17:04 shelajev !
17:04 shelajev http://virtualjug.com/#live
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17:04 shelajev can everyone see the video? :)
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17:04 mgilgar No
17:04 NamanShah nope,i dont think its live
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17:04 maxw3st no video, just "Please stand by"
17:04 nynt "A lot of [developers] have an amazingly weak grasp of physics. We've become a much more connected world and there's a lot more to program for than Web services." - James Gosling
17:04 NamanShah its live
17:04 maxw3st ok, there now
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17:05 zen_vadodara is it started ?
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17:06 mbitard yes
17:06 Ranajit folks can you hear ?
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17:06 ecabrerar yes
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17:06 javaf i'm excited :)
17:06 michel_slm works just fine
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17:06 javaf well said by James on us not knowing much physics
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17:07 Abhijith Feeling excited to see James in the panel
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17:09 sjmaple everyone on and live?
17:09 michel_slm yea
17:09 maxw3st yes. you're coming in a little fuzzy, but sound is ok
17:09 sjmaple if problems, pls refresh
17:09 sjmaple ok
17:09 HarmeetSingh yes
17:09 marcandreu connecting now
17:09 mgilgar Yes, everthing is ok
17:09 michel_slm but James' thumbnail is blank
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17:09 marcandreu good all fine
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17:10 Jigs YouTube gives me 503. Pity
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17:11 sjmaple great - all questions can be posted directly into this chat - both about current Wave Glider project or any general Java questions too!
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17:11 omkar_bangalore @simon please convey our gratitude to James Gosling... for creation of Java and Java being the source of livelihood for thousands of developers...
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17:11 sjmaple Jigs: oh no, even on refresh?
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17:11 sjmaple omkar_bangalore: will do :)
17:11 Jigs Yep
17:12 Jigs Any recording going on?
17:12 shelajev yeah, the recording is on
17:12 Jigs Okay, thanks
17:12 shelajev the same hangouts / youtube integrations
17:12 shelajev the same hangouts / youtube integration
17:12 Jigs Have fun guys
17:12 sjmaple try in another browser, just in case
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17:13 sjmaple here's the video James is currently showing https://vimeo.com/101470259 if you wanted to see all the frames ;)
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17:14 sjmaple if anyone wanted to share the session - here's a prep'd tweet https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=%2ALIVE%2A+on+the+%40virtualJUG%3A+James+Gosling%2C+creator+of+Java%2C+discusses+Java+and+his+Wave+Glider+project.+watch+now+http%3A%2F%2Fctt.ec%2F4Xc_V%2B&source=clicktotweet&related=clicktotweet
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17:16 joshuaw does the sub lead or the "surfboard", since they are just connected via a cable?
17:16 joshuaw which one is pulling the other?
17:16 shelajev sub, because it has flippers I think
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17:16 shelajev so that thrusts the whole construction forward
17:17 shelajev but a good thing to figure out
17:17 joshuaw but the surfboard is pulling up and letting down?
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17:18 shelajev yeah, I think
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17:19 MadJack Were Wave Gliders used in the search for either of the lost Malaysian airliners?
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17:20 shelajev or any other disaster for that matter :)
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17:21 sjmaple will ask towards the end if he doesn't cover - good question :)
17:22 mite_mitreski how long does a journey last, 1 day or like you send them on a forever kamikaze mission
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17:26 debdeb sjmaple: nice Jaws reference  :)
17:26 sjmaple hehe, I'm not sure James got it :)
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17:27 shelajev is software updated on the fly in the ocean or come home for updates style?
17:27 shelajev like a tiny patch, because data transfer is expensive?
17:27 Milan What about ships? Is there some kind of mechanism for avoiding them?
17:27 nickolay Is James ok with all this interrupting stuff?
17:28 sjmaple yeh, I asked before whether he wanted questions at the end or during the session - he asked for during
17:28 Abhijith If the glider uses the wave for the thrust, how does the wave get the thrust when it will be moving against the wave?
17:28 sjmaple we always ask all our speakers and respect their preference
17:29 javajon Have plastics and loose lines (gyre junk) caused any mobility problems?
17:29 nickolay thanks Simon
17:29 sjmaple I will group questions together  though where I can :)
17:29 carljokl Was it already covered the kind of embedded computer hardware is running the devices?
17:29 joshuaw do they ever get run over by passing ships?
17:29 JimBethancourt What initially drew you to the WaveGlider project? (sorry if it was already asked)
17:30 HarmeetSingh for wave glider, which programming language they used, java embeded or other because its like a AI?
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17:30 IoannisM if you detect an issue with the glider that indicates possible operational failure, can you bring it back? or do you abandon it?
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17:32 KRetief do all the wave gliders have the same sensors, or is it built with a plugin architecture?
17:32 sjmaple who's calling James? ;)
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17:33 sjmaple carljokl: about to go through that
17:33 sjmaple thanks for all the questions! buffering them... :)
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17:34 samaxes does Liquid Robotics make any data public?
17:34 HarmeetSingh wave gilder how manage its power ?
17:34 jens-melzer I think I did see solar panels
17:34 sjmaple yeh, I think panels
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17:35 Kuki solar panels and wave power
17:35 HarmeetSingh from pannels how much power the glider store ?
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17:36 IoannisM What sort of test methodologies do you use to test all of the possible (and less possible!) scenarios?
17:37 shelajev IoannisM, I second that
17:37 sjmaple yeh, great question
17:37 shelajev sounds like a huge amount of work :) chaosmonkey or something probably
17:37 IoannisM chaosshark more like :)
17:38 joshuaw +1
17:38 HankB Does it use IPMI for the sensor readings ?
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17:38 shelajev what version of Java they use?
17:38 sjmaple 1.7
17:38 shelajev even for tests? :)
17:39 sjmaple will be migrating to 8 when possible
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17:39 popxix what about security.. what mechanism it has to avoid network intruder take control of the robot..
17:40 HarmeetSingh These libraries are based for javaEmbeded or JDK ?
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17:41 shelajev popxix, that sounds like an idea :)
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17:41 sjmaple should we give a heads up and ask? or try to take control of the robots? :)
17:42 KRetief at a dollar a kilobyte?
17:42 popxix interesting..
17:42 popxix yup
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17:44 sjmaple got loads of questions about the WG now :) If anyone has Java qs feel free to ask (Remember, JG doesn't work for Oracle ;) )
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17:45 ishanp what is WG?
17:45 HarmeetSingh There are so many JVM based languages now, which is the good language which actually utilize the proper power of JVM ?
17:46 IoannisM wave glider
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17:46 pakistanJUG http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDgQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DBVjnYu6aBFk&ei=WTfBVNP-HMmVas_kgLAJ&usg=AFQjCNEBfwAhbK_RZEg8-OmkHqX_21oM-w&sig2=zBtLssP0FGHJeR2S3nZtVA&bvm=bv.83829542,d.d2s
17:46 ecabrerar Good question @HarmeetSingh
17:47 HarmeetSingh Thanks @ecabrerar
17:47 GoldenBoyz the best language on the jvm is Groovy
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17:47 HarmeetSingh wy?
17:47 HarmeetSingh why?
17:47 prasannaa Best Language to use JVM is JAVA
17:48 HarmeetSingh no
17:48 ehsavoie because you can choose whateveer way you prefer to code
17:48 shelajev seems like a very reactive way to build stuff
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17:48 ehsavoie want staic you have it, want dynamic you have it
17:48 ehsavoie groovy is really cool
17:48 shelajev do they use any kind of streams? rxjava or smth
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17:49 ehsavoie Does WG use some kind of OSGI container ? This feels really like it
17:49 shelajev I mean consuming data from services is the goto example for streams libraries
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17:53 sjmaple ship/collision events questions about to be answered :)
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17:54 popxix cool
17:56 prasannaa any code is open sourced?
17:57 ecabrerar Why did you choose TimeSys Linux over other linux distros for embedded system ?
17:57 IoannisM ecabrerar because it was the only one working with the onboard sensors
17:58 NamanShah i guess he said, its the only which had the driver needed for ARM
17:59 ecabrerar Thanks @IoannisM
18:00 NamanShah http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/713411-gosling-smartens-up-floating-robot-with-linuxjava-qregulusq-os
18:00 jeffsheets Java question: How does he feel about recent Java 8 addition of Lambda's? Was there talk of including lambda/closures in earlier versions of Java?
18:00 Elban Could all this be coded in another language like Python/Ruby/C#? What are some the problems one would face?
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18:01 nickolay James, what do you think about the way of Java developing now? Are there much changes in this way since the lang was created?
18:01 JimBethancourt @jeffsheets -- I remember reading a recollection about how they thought of including Lambdas in the first version of Java, but weren't sure if most programmers were ready for them
18:02 carljokl SharkException
18:02 ishanp haha.. yes carljok exactly
18:02 HarmeetSingh wave glider need to handel checked SharkException :P
18:03 joshuaw sjmaple: does JG think that some of this logic and thinking would be useful for space travel? eithere manned or unmanned?
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18:07 IoannisM haha awesome definition of debugging
18:07 marcin_kru this projecct is so complex i can't even imagine
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18:08 carljokl I suspect that is why someone of James's calibre works on it
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18:08 joshuaw does JG think that some of this logic and thinking would be useful for space travel? either manned or unmanned?
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18:10 HankB What is the protocol to the sensors ? IPMI?
18:10 maxw3st Thank you much. Great show of the project.
18:10 carljokl I am going to have to go. Thanks for the presentation
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18:11 maxw3st Yes, connected to that, has the Coast Guard shown any interest in the navigation software you've created?
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18:12 IoannisM haha ouch
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18:14 HarmeetSingh how wave glider JVM is perfect?
18:15 MadJack Thank goodness Obama restored all the Mars mission funding, eh?
18:16 samaxes is any of the data collected by WGs public?
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18:17 mite_mitreski Maybe a stupid question but there you go :  has someone stolen one of the gliders ?
18:17 HarmeetSingh The collections libraries they use, these libraries for JavaEmbeded or JavaSE?
18:17 Elban Could all this be coded in another language like Python/Ruby/C#? What are some the problems one would face?
18:18 ecabrerar Outstanding presentation.
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18:20 javajon Why did you make the viewer a Swing app and not JavaFX?
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18:21 sjmaple switching to Java now - questions pls
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18:22 HarmeetSingh Which JVM based language used actual utilize the power of JVM ?
18:22 jeffsheets @sjmaple thanks
18:22 JimBethancourt thanks Simon :-)
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18:24 shelajev Clojure! :) so happy to hear that
18:24 HarmeetSingh Thanks @simon
18:25 HarmeetSingh i am also like a clojure :)
18:25 jeffsheets how about groovy?
18:26 MrDeviant Did you ever consider a non-JVM language for this project? Maybe erlang?
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18:29 HarmeetSingh Which is the concept in java the James like ?
18:30 prasannaa What does JG think (or his view) about Java User Groups ... and particular about this Virtual Java User Group
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18:32 HarmeetSingh This is really amazing, whiout any doubt ?
18:33 HarmeetSingh This is really amazing, whiout any doubt ? :D
18:33 HarmeetSingh This is really amazing, whiout any doubt :D
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18:33 nickolay THanks guys. The session was great. Organisation was great!
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18:33 maxw3st This has been a superb session. What a treat.
18:34 HarmeetSingh Thanks to @Vjug
18:35 Swati thanks all
18:35 mite_mitreski awesome
18:35 marcin_kru thank you
18:35 maxw3st It's been an honor, and thankyou to vJUG for hosting
18:35 Elban Thank you very much guys. It was an amazing session :)
18:35 Swati its been honor
18:35 Swati thank u
18:35 Russel Thanks all involved in putting this sesion on.
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18:35 marcin_kru it looks like James is passionate what he is doing
18:36 jeffsheets great session. thanks
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18:37 HarmeetSingh JVM rocks :D
18:37 samaxes http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2015/01/14/language-rankings-1-15/
18:37 HarmeetSingh great
18:37 HarmeetSingh swift of jvm sounds cool :)
18:39 Elban Who wants to join me to make swift on JVM happen?
18:40 HarmeetSingh i am with you Elban
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18:41 Elban Perfect.
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18:43 joshuaw Elban: I'm interested
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18:48 Elban Write me your e-mail please
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