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gavinking |
hi folks |
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gavinking |
so, i will probably need some help getting set up here |
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gavinking |
i actually have no clue how this works |
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gavinking |
sjmaple ping :) |
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sjmaple |
hey Gavin :) |
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sjmaple |
just sending you a URL now :) |
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gavinking |
OK |
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gavinking |
Do I need to install some hangouts app on my machine (macbook) |
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theotown |
Hi all! |
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HarmeetSingh |
hello to all |
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Neswin |
Hi guys |
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carljokl |
Greetings from Scala Exchange |
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sjmaple |
hey, about to start very shortly! |
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HarmeetSingh |
hello simon :) |
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sjmaple |
Hey HarmeetSingh |
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HarmeetSingh |
@simon vjug sessions are really good, please arrange more java technologies session |
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HarmeetSingh |
like JOOQ, ESB, and workflow like activiry and bonitasoft |
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theotown |
and we are live! |
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besolov |
Hi all! |
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HarmeetSingh |
cool, hibernate creator |
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HarmeetSingh |
launch hibernate 5 in jan, best of luck |
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HarmeetSingh |
really cook, with james goasling |
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HarmeetSingh |
'*cool |
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carljokl |
Dick Wall and Martin Odersky are here |
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sjmaple |
Hey carljokl! Dick will be giving the Scala session next week :) |
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sjmaple |
HarmeetSingh: Sure, maybe we could get Lukas Eder on for JOOQ |
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sjmaple |
we know him well :) |
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HarmeetSingh |
yes , thanks simon |
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sjmaple |
he has been summoned :) |
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HarmeetSingh |
that's great, simon |
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pioneer |
hi! CommonJS != Require.js, which one is actually used? |
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HarmeetSingh |
ceylon use jvm #nashorn java script engine ? |
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carljokl |
It seems like adding refied generics for Java doesn't get talked about now. |
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JustinR |
@carljokl Brian Goetz is fond of saying that no one can give him a satisfactory reason why reified generics are necessary... |
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Quintesse |
pioneer: I'm no expert but I think it's the adjusted CommonJS format proposed by Require.js so they work both on Node.js and with Require.js |
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carljokl |
This does seem somewhat like Scala case |
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HarmeetSingh |
in the sample, he check string instance of File and URI, is it possible ? |
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Quintesse |
HarmeetSingh: there's an issue open for runnin on nashorn https://github.com/ceylon/ceylon-js/issues/316 |
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HarmeetSingh |
for javascript which engine the ceylong use ? |
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Gurkenmaster |
loading ceylon in the javafx webview freezes the window for a few seconds :( |
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HarmeetSingh: ceylon works with any javascript engine |
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HarmeetSingh |
we together do the programming with cyeylon and javascript? |
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sjmaple |
I love union typing in Ceylon :) |
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sjmaple |
it's controlled dynamic typing :) |
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millrossjez |
minor correction: isn't it type inference rather than dynamic typing (compile vs run time?) It's gorgeous regardless of terminology though |
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sjmaple |
yeh, that's true :) |
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sjmaple |
who's for a C# struct? :) |
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Abhijith |
I am for the struct .. |
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Tuple is indeed more bigger feature than union typing from my view |
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sjmaple |
I used to use them a lot in my C++ days, very useful |
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millrossjez |
I'd sell my grandma for tuples in Java :) |
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sjmaple |
haha |
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Abhijith |
I do not really miss Tupels in java... I would be happy to use javatuples library.. would be nice to have this included in the core library itself |
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sjmaple |
nice idea - you should create a JEP |
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theotown |
question time! |
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sjmaple |
questions please! |
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JustinR |
Can Ceylon throw Exceptions or should it be part of the tuple(?) return type? |
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DSpair |
Does Ceylon eliminate checked exceptions? |
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Gurkenmaster |
you can throw exceptions but they are unchecked |
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carljokl |
How well does it interoperate with Java? |
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Abhijith |
How does Ceylon perform compared to java? I know it is a big topic of discussion, but very briefly if possible |
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DSpair |
How does the performance compare to Scala/Clojure/Node? |
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DSpair |
Does Ceylon have a REPL available? |
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sjmaple |
Abhijith: can you be more specific? |
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pioneer |
What are your plans regarding Javascript VM? Do you plan to have your own idiomatic frontend framework like Angular, or maybe, instead, to have better integrations/wrappers around existing Javascript libraries? |
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Abhijith |
Before I could type in my question, Gavin briefly answered my question... I would now try with micro micro micro micro micro benchmarks :-) |
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DSpair |
BeanShell SUCKS |
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Abhijith |
Hope I could find some tool which would find the difference in 10 power -30 accuracy :) |
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Gurkenmaster |
you can take a look at the "code" by using a java decompiler |
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Quintesse |
DSpair: we don't have a REPL but you can use Ceylon online for rapid tests http://try.ceylon-lang.org/ |
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Quintesse |
Btw, we have our own channel #ceylonlang |
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Quintesse |
http://www.ceylon-lang.org/documentation/current |
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Quintesse |
The tour mentioned by Gavin : http://www.ceylon-lang.org/documentation/1.1/tour/ |
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sjmaple |
Here's the replay http://virtualjug.com/ceylon-for-java-developers/ |
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gavinking |
thanks everyone! |
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sjmaple |
really really great session - thanks gavinking! |
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gavinking |
if you have more questions, we'll see you on #ceylonlang! |
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gavinking |
thank you for setting it up sjmaple! |
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sjmaple |
a pleasure! |
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lucaswerkmeister |
Gurkenmaster: no need to use a decompiler to look at the code the Ceylon compiler produces; you can compile with `--verbose=code` (from the CLI) to see it directly :) |
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sjmaple |
lucaswerkmeister: so an integrated decompiler :) |
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lucaswerkmeister |
sjmaple: well no, it simply prints out what it’s going to pass to javac |
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lucaswerkmeister |
it generates a javac ast and then passes that to javac to generate the bytecode |
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lucaswerkmeister |
and this simply prints that ast (not sure if the pretty-printing is included in javac or if the backend guys added that) |
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lucaswerkmeister |
(also, it’s not quite java: all names are fully qualified with leading `.`, and there are let expressions (compiler-internal)) |
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sjmaple |
oh, I see, I thought you meant it takes the compiles artifacts and shows you source... showing source from source is less impressive :) |
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