| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 12:26 |
|
pdurbin |
Or actually tomorrow. :) |
| 12:27 |
|
pdurbin |
It's hard to imagine non-geeks even thinking to look for file systems that some how spread out the wear across solid state drives. |
| 12:28 |
|
pdurbin |
I'm not sure how free software leaves your data untouched but proprietary software touches it. |
| 12:28 |
|
pdurbin |
The bit about helping (network effect) should be moved to the end, after the reader has been convinced of the argument. |
| 12:30 |
|
pdurbin |
The surveillance argument is probably the most compelling. The section assumes the reader followd the Snowden story and it's aftermath fairly closely though. |
| 12:31 |
|
pdurbin |
EOMA68 should be explained better. I'd never heard of it. |
| 12:32 |
|
pdurbin |
Any why are proprietary software suppliers unwilling to provide binary blobs for it? It that true? |
| 12:34 |
|
pdurbin |
The ".doc a binary blog" argument has been weakened (years ago) buy the introduction of .docx, which is a zip with XML in it. |
| 12:37 |
|
pdurbin |
I find the definition of "ease-of-use" strange. Doing tasks for the user vs automating them? To me ease-of-use has to do with user experience (UX) and the formal definition of usability. ISO 9241: "The effectiveness, efficiency and satisfaction with which specified users achieve specified goals in particular environments." |
| 12:38 |
|
pdurbin |
It's cool that the author is thinking about running Friendica or similar. |
| 12:41 |
|
pdurbin |
I find the statement "I believe that art should not be free" oddly placed because in the previous paragraph movies, which I consider to be art, are suggested to be better for consumers to not have DRM. |
| 12:42 |
|
pdurbin |
"artists deserve the right to control distribution of their work" but not movie makers? |
| 12:42 |
|
pdurbin |
The shark analogy is fine |
| 12:42 |
|
pdurbin |
keep moving or you die |
| 12:43 |
|
pdurbin |
but coral is actually dying the world over, from what I understand |
| 12:43 |
|
pdurbin |
iTunes doesn't lock up your files. I don't think. You can find your MP3s in there |
| 12:44 |
|
pdurbin |
Phew, I think that's it. |
| 12:44 |
|
pdurbin |
Again, over all, an interesting essay. |
| 12:45 |
|
pdurbin |
I'm realizing I don't have a great way to comment on longish articles like this. |
| 12:45 |
|
pdurbin |
I mean, I could copy and paste the whole thing into a Google doc and leave comments on specific lines. |
| 12:45 |
|
pdurbin |
That's probably what I'd do at work. |
| 12:46 |
|
pdurbin |
But in the spirit of free software I figured I'd just start typing here and see where it takes me. At least the words I'm typing are being preserved in a plain text format by philbot, the IRC logger. |
| 12:47 |
|
pdurbin |
One more link to the article before I go find some breakfast: https://internetperdition.wordpress.com/2016/09/18/seek-freedom-not-permission/ |
| 13:14 |
|
aditsu |
oh, you actually read the whole article and want to critique it? it's kinda tl, dr for me |
| 13:15 |
|
aditsu |
I don't know what is Black Mirror |
| 13:17 |
|
aditsu |
hadn't heard of Friendica, wikipedia says it's written in php, that's instant fail 👎 |
| 13:19 |
|
aditsu |
Crapple is the worst, I don't understand why anybody is willing to use their "products" |
| 13:20 |
|
aditsu |
anyway, I'm all for OpenDocument, still working on a library for it |
| 13:20 |
|
pdurbin |
Black Mirror is one of those "Netflix original" shows. I think I've watched three episodes total. Can watch in any order since they're stand-alone, which is nice. |
| 13:22 |
|
aditsu |
I haven't given in to Netflix :p it would probably ruin my life as I couldn't stop watching |
| 13:22 |
|
aditsu |
youtube is already eating way too much of my time |
| 13:23 |
|
pdurbin |
What do you use OpenDocument for? I pretty much only use Markdown. |
| 13:24 |
|
aditsu |
for everything that other people use ms office for |
| 13:24 |
|
aditsu |
well, almost everything |
| 13:24 |
|
aditsu |
markdown is something else |
| 13:24 |
|
aditsu |
don't see the relation |
| 13:26 |
|
pdurbin |
I mean that I always write stuff in plain text. Does OpenDocument save in a binary format? |
| 13:26 |
|
aditsu |
it saves a zip archive with xml files and images inside |
| 13:26 |
|
aditsu |
pdurbin: do you ever use spreadsheets? |
| 13:27 |
|
pdurbin |
Ok, so similar to docx. I use spreadsheets all the time but I use Google Spreadsheets. |
| 13:28 |
|
aditsu |
yes, it's similar in some ways to docx/xlsx/all those other ms formats |
| 13:28 |
|
aditsu |
I don't want to keep all my stuff on the web |
| 13:29 |
|
pdurbin |
Sure. How do you edit your spreadsheets? With OpenOffice? |
| 13:29 |
|
aditsu |
LibreOffice |
| 13:29 |
|
pdurbin |
right, the new name |
| 13:29 |
|
aditsu |
it's a fork |
| 13:30 |
|
pdurbin |
I have it installed on my Ubuntu laptop. But not on this iMac at home or my Macbook at work. |
| 13:30 |
|
aditsu |
about that article, I suggest that you write your comments at the bottom of that page |
| 13:31 |
|
pdurbin |
Yeah, but then I don't "own the content". |
| 13:31 |
|
pdurbin |
"own" the content |
| 13:31 |
|
aditsu |
?? |
| 13:31 |
|
pdurbin |
Probably what I'd do is leave the comment in my wiki and then copy and paste it as a comment. |
| 13:31 |
|
pdurbin |
...on the article. |
| 13:34 |
|
pdurbin |
Generally, I don't believe in putting content into systems where I can't get it back out |
| 13:34 |
|
aditsu |
you already wrote it in here |
| 13:35 |
|
pdurbin |
yeah |
| 13:35 |
|
pdurbin |
this is my blog, sort of |
| 13:35 |
|
pdurbin |
has a date in the url |
| 13:36 |
|
aditsu |
so you don't want you words to appear anywhere on any system that you don't control? |
| 13:36 |
|
aditsu |
your* |
| 13:36 |
|
pdurbin |
Here's an example. I have this thing that I wrote in git in plain text in case this site ever goes away: https://builditwith.me/ideas/1068 |
| 13:36 |
|
pdurbin |
Does that make sense? |
| 13:37 |
|
pdurbin |
Lots of websites go dark, taking their (often user-contributed) content with them: https://indieweb.org/site-deaths |
| 13:37 |
|
aditsu |
no, I don't get it |
| 13:38 |
|
pdurbin |
Why would I pour my heart into writing up content that might go dark and lost forever? Wouldn't that be a waste of my time? |
| 13:39 |
|
aditsu |
well, it makes sense to have a copy of it, which you already have here afaict |
| 13:40 |
|
pdurbin |
Yeah, this copy is probably good enough. If I invest time in writing up a thoughful comment, I might save that copy also. |
| 13:40 |
|
aditsu |
sure, if you care enough about it |
| 13:41 |
|
pdurbin |
Generally, if I put effort and thought into something I write, I care about it. |
| 13:41 |
|
pdurbin |
But yeah, it totally depends on how much effort I put in. |
| 13:41 |
|
pdurbin |
Stuff I write in this channel is much more throwaway. |
| 13:42 |
|
pdurbin |
But I like logging it so I can reflect on it in case someone says something interesting. |
| 13:43 |
|
pdurbin |
The backup of the whole IRC log database is still under 4 MB: http://data.greptilian.com/mysql/ |
| 13:44 |
|
aditsu |
it just seems that you're against posting anything on any site you don't control; if you keep your own copy of it, then I don't see the problem |
| 13:45 |
|
pdurbin |
I guess I could just copy and paste what I wrote above but I don't think that would make the best comment. |
| 13:48 |
|
pdurbin |
aditsu: as a vi user, LibreOffice strikes me as somewhat heavyweight for editing spreadsheets. If it's just data I'm editing, I often use vi and a tsv file (and https://github.com/pdurbin/vim-tsv ). Are there any console-based apps for editing LibreOffice spreadsheets? |
| 13:49 |
|
aditsu |
I don't think there are, but if there were, I would run away from them as far as possible |
| 13:50 |
|
aditsu |
but there are many other GUI programs that can edit OpenDocument files |
| 13:50 |
|
pdurbin |
Ok. How many different applications can be used to edit these spreadsheets? Just LibreOffice? |
| 13:51 |
|
aditsu |
pdurbin: check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Application_support |
| 13:52 |
|
aditsu |
there are also programs like odt2txt |
| 13:53 |
|
pdurbin |
huh, TextEdit |
| 13:54 |
|
pdurbin |
yeah, TextEdit lets you save in odt format. But again, I always save in plain text if I can. Plain text is better for preservation. |
| 13:57 |
|
aditsu |
if you just have text content with no formatting, sure |
| 14:08 |
|
pdurbin |
Well, I keep my resume in Markdown format, for example. It has some light formatting such as bullets and headers. In practice I just turn it into HTML and copy and paste it into something like Google Docs to make a PDF to send around. |
| 14:11 |
|
pdurbin |
I've been thinking of putting that Markdown file for my resume in my wiki because something changed with LinkedIn during the last year or two where you can't see my profile unless you're logged in. Concretely, I would change "You can read more of my work history on LinkedIn" at http://wiki.greptilian.com/about/pdurbin to something like "You can check out my resume (link)" and have it in my wiki. |
| 14:26 |
|
aditsu |
I guess we're both weird in our own ways |
| 14:30 |
|
pdurbin |
heh |
| 14:31 |
|
pdurbin |
"Keep Knowledge in Plain Text" comes from "The Pragmatic Programmer: From Journeyman to Master" by the way: https://blog.codinghorror.com/a-pragmatic-quick-reference/ |
| 14:39 |
|
aditsu |
I do have a folder of plain text files that can be described as "knowledge"; I refer to them whenever I need to do something on the computer and can't remember how |
| 14:40 |
|
aditsu |
if it's not in there, I find out and write it down |
| 14:41 |
|
pdurbin |
Yeah, I have a folder like that and I'm very slowly moving those files to my wiki. For example: http://wiki.greptilian.com/sed and http://wiki.greptilian.com/awk |
| 14:43 |
|
aditsu |
the only awk command I have is: find . -type f -exec stat -c %s {} \; | awk '{sum+=$1} END{print sum}' |
| 14:44 |
|
aditsu |
(someone else wrote it for me) |
| 14:46 |
|
aditsu |
I really need to add a "one-liner" mode to CJam, and implement regexes.. |
| 14:55 |
|
pdurbin |
Why "cherry jam"? Tastes good? |
| 14:57 |
|
aditsu |
yes; also it's not "code jam" :p |
| 15:06 |
|
pdurbin |
ah |
| 15:06 |
|
pdurbin |
"Your comment is awaiting moderation." ... I basically linked to these IRC logs: "Nice essay! I left some comments at http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2018-07-14 and http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2018-07-15 and I apologize for not taking the time to write them up as a thoughtful post here." |
| 15:06 |
|
pdurbin |
done! |
| 15:07 |
|
aditsu |
haha, classic pdurbin, linking to irc logs ^_^ |
| 15:07 |
|
pdurbin |
I was just looking at https://en.support.wordpress.com/export/ and wordpress.com offers a way to export your site but not a way to export comments made using your wordpress.com account, as far as I can tell. I also looked at https://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/80151/how-to-export-comments-in-wordpress |
| 15:10 |
|
pdurbin |
I used to run a website and IRC channel dedicated to the topic of data liberation: http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-08 |
| 15:11 |
|
pdurbin |
So yes, we're both weird in our own ways. :) |
| 15:11 |
|
aditsu |
used to? what happened? |
| 15:16 |
|
pdurbin |
I'm looking to see if I ever did a proper write up of why I shut it all down. |
| 15:17 |
|
pdurbin |
I even had a log and everything: http://wiki.greptilian.com/spanworm.com/spanworm-logo.png |
| 15:18 |
|
aditsu |
you mean logo |
| 15:18 |
|
pdurbin |
logo, yes |
| 15:19 |
|
aditsu |
did the project fall into a wormhole? :p |
| 15:19 |
|
pdurbin |
heh |
| 15:20 |
|
pdurbin |
yet another site death |
| 15:20 |
|
pdurbin |
I made a todo to write it up. |
| 15:21 |
|
pdurbin |
I'm a fairly frugal person so I paying for the domain year after year was probably part of it. And I'm sure eventually the IRC channel was just me talking to myself. |
| 15:23 |
|
pdurbin |
I bet at the time I was really into https://indieweb.org (where I met bear) and I thought my little effort was redundant. I stopped hanging out in their IRC channel though because I wasn't in love with the vibe. No offense to everyone but it smacked of group think to me. |
| 15:24 |
|
pdurbin |
Probably what I should do is see if there's any other community out there of like minded individuals who also care about data liberation, about owning your own data. |
| 15:25 |
|
aditsu |
I might be more into owning my data than you in some ways, as I keep my spreadsheets on my computer rather than on google's servers :p |
| 15:26 |
|
pdurbin |
No kidding. But https://github.com/pdurbin/feedcritic for example is all about maintaining a spreadsheet (if a TSV file counts) on own computer(s). |
| 15:28 |
|
aditsu |
that's a very specific application, and the tsv thing seems to be just an option |
| 15:29 |
|
aditsu |
btw, what do you do for backups? |
| 15:29 |
|
pdurbin |
the readme is out of date. feedcritic requires a tsv now |
| 15:29 |
|
pdurbin |
timemachine for backups |
| 15:30 |
|
pdurbin |
anything I care about is backed up to the family imac which has family photos and videos. backed up with timemachine |
| 15:30 |
|
aditsu |
that's a crapple thing, right? but do use an external disk? or what? |
| 15:30 |
|
pdurbin |
external disk. yes, crapple |
| 15:31 |
|
pdurbin |
in practice, for my geeky stuff, I usually just to do a `git pull` now and then to make sure I have the lasted stuff on that imac |
| 15:35 |
|
pdurbin |
latest* |
| 19:15 |
|
pdurbin |
This is why I sometimes hate Stack Exchange. https://i.imgur.com/8h5tWla.png is a screenshot of how they deleted my perfectly good question: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/329273/when-will-the-system-python-on-mac-be-python-3 |
| 20:05 |
|
pdurbin |
The body of the question was this: "The system Python on Mac is still 2.x. When will the system Python on Mac be Python 3?" |
