| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 04:19 |
|
prologic |
pdurbin: I know of GlusterFS and what I remember it isn't particularly very easy to setup |
| 04:20 |
|
prologic |
pdurbin: aditsu one thing that's also strongly motivated me to write my own file system / storage thing is to then use it to build a docker volume storage driver that's easy to deploy |
| 04:20 |
|
prologic |
right now there are still no really good simple/clean docker distributed storage solutions for volumes (There is Flocker and Convoy but they are complex beasts) |
| 12:31 |
|
* pdurbin |
looks at https://github.com/ClusterHQ/flocker and https://github.com/rancher/convoy |
| 12:41 |
|
aditsu |
I have absolutely no interest in docker |
| 12:42 |
|
pdurbin |
aditsu: any interest in React? http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2016-11-28#i_193696 :) |
| 12:44 |
|
aditsu |
nope |
| 12:56 |
|
aditsu |
everybody seems to be losing their freakin' mind with containers and js libraries and all kinds of crap that doesn't seem to serve any purpose other than making themselves feel like they know a lot of stuff |
| 12:59 |
|
aditsu |
and making web pages slower and eat more memory in the process |
| 15:18 |
|
pdurbin |
it's the future |
| 15:18 |
|
pdurbin |
evolve or die |
| 15:22 |
|
aditsu |
the future is what we make it to be; also, these libraries/frameworks are definitely not the future because they get deprecated every 6 months or so when the next fad comes up |
| 15:26 |
|
dotplus |
aditsu: docker specifically? or containerization in general? |
| 15:28 |
|
aditsu |
dotplus: containerization I guess (if that's a thing) |
| 15:32 |
|
dotplus |
I'm not close to the webdev world (on purpose), but it seems to me that the flurry of short-lived fashions for various JS frameworks seems to be rather unlike (some of) the fashion for containers. I agree the trendiness and the oh-that's-so-last-year attitudes for all these JS web libraries/frameworks is irritating and counterproductive for webdev and, more importantly, for the enduser. And all for little gain. I think that container-hype is ... |
| 15:32 |
|
dotplus |
... irritating and excessive, but differs in that there is (or might be) something worthwhile underneath the noise. |
| 15:34 |
|
aditsu |
yes, there might be, though I haven't found that something yet |
| 15:35 |
|
dotplus |
the hope/promise of containers is basically: (much) lighter weight virtualisation. If that hope can be realised without too much downside in the areas of security and mgmt/herding (which seem to be the major weaknesses IIUC), that would be valuable. traditional virtualization as it stands today could use some slimming. |
| 15:40 |
|
dotplus |
I haven't done much more than play a little with containers yet and not much of that because it doesn't seem to me that it's ready for general use; I'm not convinced that the techs are robust/secure enough to be trustworthy and I don't think that the tooling/doc/best practice ecosystems are mature enough such that the either the learning curve or container mgmt is easy enough that they can compete with traditional virtualization. |
| 15:41 |
|
dotplus |
not yet, but I hope it will become so. And that's why I'm willing to excuse some of the unwarranted hype - in the hope that the hype generates improvement. |
| 15:43 |
|
aditsu |
fair enough |
| 18:03 |
|
bear |
if your container execution environment is itself secure and behind firewalls, then the latest container work is amazing stuff IMO |
| 18:03 |
|
bear |
but |
| 18:04 |
|
bear |
if you are running anyone else's code but your own then you will be owned -- container security is messy and hard and not totally finished -- I deal with everyday the messes that docker and the others create because they assume people are running things in a locked down environment |
| 20:13 |
|
sivoais |
there is definitely a hype cycle with containers which is very surprising for something so low-level |
| 20:14 |
|
sivoais |
I've seen repos where people try to containerise everything as if it is a package manager substitute. *shakes head* |
| 20:43 |
|
bear |
yep |
| 20:43 |
|
bear |
docker to some is a synonym for FPS or RPM |
| 20:43 |
|
bear |
I liken it to how every web dev creates their own bundler for js |
| 23:14 |
|
pdurbin |
Do you know who's into containers? prologic |
| 23:15 |
|
pdurbin |
bear: Hmm, I don't like the sound of "you will be owned -- container security is messy and hard and not totally finished" |
