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semiosis |
pdurbin: i saw an article comparing spring boot & dropwizard and it looks like spring boot has a lot more momentum now |
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semiosis |
http://blog.takipi.com/java-bootstrap-dropwizard-vs-spring-boot/ |
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semiosis |
also, new from me... integrating Actionhero with Electron: https://github.com/semiosis/electron-actionhero |
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* semiosis |
learning nodejs the hard way |
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sivoais |
bear: I'm reading Dreaming in Code. Very interesting perspective on software development. |
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bear |
having lived thru that book... uhh, sure! |
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sivoais |
I was wondering if you read it, given that you worked on the Chandler team. |
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bear |
we read it when it came out - I would have to re-read it to get it fresh |
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sivoais |
It makes me want to go through the Chandler wiki and glean a better understanding of the different design considerations. |
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bear |
suprisingly the chandler wiki is still up and running |
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bear |
and the design part is full of a lot of it's iterations - some of the earlier work was never on the wiki |
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sivoais |
It's also making me doubt some of my software projects, but I think I have enough hubris to keep going. :-P |
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bear |
:) |
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bear |
the biggest take away from chandler I had was that the cycle between design, dev and product needed to be shorter |
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bear |
we spent months hammering out the *perfect* design and then months developing it, with a couple huge egos on the dev team throwing wrenches into it all the time |
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sivoais |
mmhm, I see that the feedback loop is critical. Release early, release often even applies to ambitious projects --- and perhaps more so because you're going into uncharted territory |
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sivoais |
There was a bit in the book where the author writes: "By now, I know, any software developer reading this volume has likely thrown it across the room in despair, thinking, 'Stop the madness! They're making every mistake in the book!'" |
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sivoais |
I admit, I was getting very anxious leading up to the point. Like reading something with dramatic irony. |
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bear |
yea, it's hard to realize the context of the team |
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bear |
we were working with Mitch F'ing Kapor to build his next big thing |
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bear |
so a lot of people on the initial team were all very very good but a few were not used to working on what was had already grown into a large team |
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bear |
everyone was making their perfect piece of the puzzel |
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bear |
the author thankfully was not in place during the worst part of the crisis - he showed up after mitch had already reformed the team and let one person go |
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bear |
the one thing that I don't think is in the book (or I don't remember) ... we would do internal demos to mitch every 3 months and he would change whole sections of the UI |
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bear |
oh poo, this is logged, I need to be careful :) |
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sivoais |
eep! :-) |
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bear |
no worries, a large part of it is in the book |
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sivoais |
ah, it appears that the whole OSAF and Chandler site are unavailable from the Wayback Machine due to robots.txt. (I couldn't reach the wiki or bugzilla) |
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sivoais |
that's a shame because it would have provided some interesting data points on how a large open-source project starts |
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bear |
hmm, it didn't used to have a robots file |
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bear |
someplace I have 50gig tarball of the entire site - made it one time as a hedge to the data disappearing |
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sivoais |
I would really like to see that. I've hinted at in this channel before, but I'm working on something of similar scope to Chandler, but I'm working from a different direction. So seeing what worked and what didn't would be tremendously useful. |
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bear |
poke me again if I haven't said anything by next monday - I'll log into the server I stash that stuff this weekend and either download it or make it accessible to you |
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sivoais |
I think the Archive Team (w/ Jason Scott of textfiles.com) could help you get the data out. They helped preserve sites like GeoCities and Aaron Swartz's JSTOR PD archive. |
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sivoais |
OK, will do. :-) |
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bear |
yea, I need to see what exactly I have - it's mostly a tarball of the server dirs |
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bear |
was kind of a last ditch want to save something plan |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: this write up is long but good |
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pdurbin |
sivoais bear: interesting. all the chandler chatter |
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