| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:18 |
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pdurbin |
right. you can even host docker on amazon these days, I think |
| 00:18 |
|
pdurbin |
prologic: I'm definitely interested in trying out the instance you set up for addressbookmvc |
| 00:19 |
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pdurbin |
or whatever we rename it to: https://github.com/pdurbin/addressbookmvc/issues/11 |
| 00:19 |
|
prologic |
yes you can |
| 00:19 |
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prologic |
there are in fact a dozen or more native Docker cloud providers now |
| 00:20 |
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prologic |
DO, SOftlay, AWS, dotCloud, giantSwarm |
| 00:20 |
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pdurbin |
still a tie at http://www.tricider.com/brainstorming/35DVEKere5x :/ |
| 00:20 |
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prologic |
to name a few that I know of |
| 00:20 |
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prologic |
yeah yeah |
| 00:20 |
|
prologic |
when we finalize upon a name/domain |
| 00:20 |
|
prologic |
I'll definitely put what I've done and blogged about into practice for addressbookmvc |
| 00:20 |
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prologic |
btw I could not believe that I bbought and now own todoapp.org |
| 00:20 |
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prologic |
I was like wtf |
| 00:21 |
|
prologic |
as-if no one registered this before |
| 00:21 |
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pdurbin |
should we make a todo app instead? |
| 00:22 |
|
prologic |
lol |
| 00:22 |
|
prologic |
we *could* |
| 00:22 |
|
prologic |
have you tried my little demo todoapp? |
| 00:22 |
|
prologic |
http://todoapp.vz1.bne.shortcircuit.net.au/ |
| 00:22 |
|
prologic |
this is the one I've written for the blog post |
| 00:22 |
|
prologic |
Redis backed |
| 00:24 |
|
pdurbin |
prologic: works great |
| 00:25 |
|
pdurbin |
I mean, I wanted to build an addressbook rather than a todo app so we don't get confused with http://todomvc.com |
| 00:25 |
|
pdurbin |
but whatever, it's not like we're going to get as big as them |
| 00:26 |
|
prologic |
well we could? |
| 00:26 |
|
prologic |
we *could* do it better :P |
| 00:26 |
|
pdurbin |
:) |
| 00:26 |
|
prologic |
I wonder if addressbookapp.org is available |
| 00:26 |
|
pdurbin |
world domination! |
| 00:26 |
|
prologic |
and we could do two at once |
| 00:26 |
|
prologic |
todoapp.org |
| 00:26 |
|
prologic |
and addressbookapp.org |
| 00:26 |
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pdurbin |
aditsu doesn't like calling it an addressbook |
| 00:26 |
|
pdurbin |
because there is no requirement to store addresses, I think |
| 00:26 |
|
pdurbin |
just phone numbers |
| 00:28 |
|
prologic |
contactapp.org then? |
| 00:28 |
|
prologic |
contactsapp.org |
| 00:28 |
|
prologic |
even |
| 00:28 |
|
prologic |
todoapp.org contactsapp.org |
| 00:29 |
|
* pdurbin |
adds "contactsapp" to the list of ideas |
| 00:29 |
|
prologic |
cool! |
| 00:29 |
|
pdurbin |
it's more descriptive than deadbeef |
| 00:29 |
|
prologic |
agreed |
| 00:29 |
|
prologic |
so re factory and dns/compose |
| 00:30 |
|
prologic |
docker-compose is a sepraate tools |
| 00:30 |
|
prologic |
so I'm thinking of writing yet another tool to manage dns |
| 00:30 |
|
prologic |
not sure what to call it yet |
| 00:30 |
|
prologic |
so that factory is just a tool that inegrates 3 other tools |
| 00:30 |
|
prologic |
and have things like $include: "domains.yml" under domains: and $include: "docker-compose.yml" under services: |
| 00:31 |
|
prologic |
so there is true interopability between factory and all three tools |
| 00:53 |
|
pdurbin |
cool |
| 00:56 |
|
prologic |
sound good eh? |
| 00:56 |
|
prologic |
thoughts on the dns tool name? |
| 00:56 |
|
prologic |
I think I'll use and depend on the apache libcloud library |
| 00:56 |
|
prologic |
which supports hundreds of cloud provodiers |
| 00:59 |
|
pdurbin |
nice |
| 01:44 |
|
prologic |
https://github.com/prologic/todoapp/commit/a4d1ae5b982e46b0c45a74e57acf08f267f4592d |
| 01:44 |
|
prologic |
something like this |
| 01:59 |
|
pdurbin |
cool |
| 02:06 |
|
pdurbin |
Agile Product Ownership in a Nutshell by +Henrik Kniberg is really good! You… - https://plus.google.com/+PhilipDurbin/posts/iMHkiTosR4n |
| 02:06 |
|
pdurbin |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=502ILHjX9EE |
| 02:06 |
|
pdurbin |
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1018963/Articles/PO-in-a-nutshell.png |
| 08:33 |
|
aditsu |
"The "clear" advantage here is that this will work with just about any web application" - you can already deploy just about any web application, without containers, dockers or whatever |
| 08:34 |
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aditsu |
"no you don't have to write any shell scripts" - you never had to; and even if you did, what's wrong with that? |
| 08:35 |
|
aditsu |
you have to somehow specify the tasks involved in deployment |
| 08:35 |
|
aditsu |
whether in a shell script or some other thingamajig, what's the difference? |
| 08:36 |
|
aditsu |
so you still got nothing so far |
| 09:19 |
|
prologic |
you're a hard man to please aditsu |
| 09:19 |
|
prologic |
I'll just stop talking now |
| 09:19 |
|
prologic |
basically because I "give up" |
| 09:32 |
|
aditsu |
I'm surprised, but.. ok, I can accept the win |
| 09:39 |
|
prologic |
I just can't be bothered argueing every point when you've just argued everything down so far and have said nothing good about it |
| 09:39 |
|
prologic |
so I'll just stop talking here about it :) |
| 09:40 |
|
prologic |
thanks for your honest opinions though |
| 09:42 |
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aditsu |
ok, I'll say something good: containers can provide process/resource isolation, that could be useful for running untrusted or not-mutually-trusted applications |
| 09:43 |
|
aditsu |
I have no need for that though |
| 09:47 |
|
aditsu |
anyway, gotta go, ttyl |
| 09:48 |
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| 10:27 |
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pdurbin |
sigh |
| 10:42 |
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| 13:10 |
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pdurbin |
aditsu: you *are* a hard man to please :) |
| 13:11 |
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aditsu |
I don't know, I just tend not to fall for weak arguments :p |
| 13:11 |
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pdurbin |
let him be excited about his toy. I'm hoping to play with it once he sets it up for us. |
| 13:12 |
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pdurbin |
free hosting will be a very attractive feature of the project |
| 13:14 |
|
dotplus |
I would say you've picked a weak benefit to praise. docker (containers in general?) is not mature enough that you can consider "untrusted" apps to be securely constrained/isolated. |
| 13:15 |
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pdurbin |
free hosting is a weak benefit? |
| 13:17 |
|
aditsu |
dotplus was probably responding to me; it's the only benefit I can see so far |
| 13:18 |
|
aditsu |
pdurbin: what free hosting? |
| 13:18 |
|
dotplus |
on the other hand, I'm a little more optimistic about it all than you appear to be. I think there *might* be real value in docker/containers from the perspective of easing the burden of following the (TAOUP) rules of modularity, composition, generation and extensibility. It's not yet clear to me whether this really is easing the burden compared to existing approaches, but I've barely toyed with it |
| 13:18 |
|
dotplus |
yes, that was in response to "I'll say something good..." |
| 13:19 |
|
pdurbin |
aditsu: this free hosting: http://irclog.greptilian.com/sourcefu/2015-06-22#i_122181 |
| 13:20 |
|
pdurbin |
searchbot: lucky taoup |
| 13:20 |
|
searchbot |
pdurbin: http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/ |
| 13:20 |
|
pdurbin |
oh. The Art of Unix Programming. duh |
| 13:20 |
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aditsu |
pdurbin: what's DO? |
| 13:20 |
|
dotplus |
digitalocean |
| 13:21 |
|
aditsu |
does it offer free hosting? |
| 13:21 |
|
pdurbin |
no no |
| 13:21 |
|
aditsu |
doesn't look like it |
| 13:22 |
|
pdurbin |
prologic is willing to foot the bill (for now at least) to set up a vm on digital ocean to host the addressbookmvc apps |
| 13:22 |
|
pdurbin |
that's my understanding anyway. very generous of him! |
| 13:23 |
|
aditsu |
ok, so no free hosting |
| 13:23 |
|
pdurbin |
free for me :) |
| 13:23 |
|
pdurbin |
not free for prologic :( |
| 13:23 |
|
pdurbin |
we could pass a hat if this gets off the ground |
| 13:24 |
|
aditsu |
well, I'm hosting mine for now :p I could probably host a couple more too |
| 13:25 |
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pdurbin |
ok, so maybe people writing these apps could choose to host it themselves or try to sell aditsu or prologic on hosting it for them |
| 13:25 |
|
aditsu |
dotplus: if it eases the burden, that could be an advantage, but I'd have to see what it does and how |
| 13:27 |
|
dotplus |
the way I see it is that "easing the burden" is the key part. ~Anything is possible with enough effort/software. I would like to take the trouble to think this through carefully and write it up, but hoenstly, I can't see that happening. More Hours/Brain Cycles, please! |
| 13:28 |
|
aditsu |
I would like to see it clearly explained in a single phrase :) |
| 13:29 |
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dotplus |
glwt |
| 13:29 |
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pdurbin |
searchbot: lucky glwt |
| 13:29 |
|
searchbot |
pdurbin: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GLWT |
| 13:29 |
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aditsu |
haha, that one's not hard to figure out |
| 13:30 |
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pdurbin |
made sense once I clicked :) |
| 13:31 |
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aditsu |
I think I can generally justify anything I use in a phrase |
| 14:09 |
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pdurbin |
sivoais: you might like this Scala vs. Clojure discussion: Jessica Kerr - Cognicast Episode 082 — Cognitect Blog - http://blog.cognitect.com/cognicast/082 |
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| 16:26 |
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pdurbin |
hmm. "Elasticsearch security for free" https://github.com/floragunncom/search-guard |
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| 17:57 |
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sivoais |
pdurbin: there's a lot going on in that podcast that matches up with my interests... :-) I'll push it on the queue |
| 17:57 |
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sivoais |
it's all going to get dequeued after I defend my thesis |
| 18:17 |
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pdurbin |
it's a good one. I'm only 20 minutes in |
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