| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:15 |
|
pdurbin |
prologic: yep. I just read your blog post and that part is still missing :) . Also, please watch your its vs. it's. :) |
| 00:18 |
|
pdurbin |
I messed around a bit with the list of topics for this channel yesterday: https://github.com/sourcefu/sourcefu.github.com/commit/aca44a5 |
| 00:18 |
|
prologic |
ahh cool |
| 00:18 |
|
prologic |
hmm |
| 00:19 |
|
prologic |
where did I use its vs. it's incorrectly? :P |
| 00:19 |
|
prologic |
I guess I'll go over it |
| 00:19 |
|
prologic |
but yeah going to complete the other part of it tonight |
| 00:19 |
|
prologic |
what do you think so far anyway? can I elaborate or improve upon anything (besides its vs it's) |
| 00:19 |
|
prologic |
? |
| 00:20 |
|
pdurbin |
basically, search for "it's" and every time you see it, figure out if you can expand it to "it is". you'll find it :) |
| 00:20 |
|
pdurbin |
prologic: the post is a little rambly. readers might not care if circuits isn't up to date on pypi |
| 00:20 |
|
pdurbin |
but otherwise so far so good |
| 00:24 |
|
prologic |
isn't: it's == it is? |
| 00:24 |
|
prologic |
and its' is possessive? |
| 00:24 |
|
prologic |
:) |
| 00:24 |
|
prologic |
re circuits/pypi; good point; thanks |
| 00:24 |
|
prologic |
anything else a bit rambly? |
| 00:26 |
|
pdurbin |
possessive is his, her, its |
| 00:26 |
|
pdurbin |
maybe not rambly but people might not know wtf crux is |
| 00:29 |
|
prologic |
I don't think I even mentioned that |
| 00:29 |
|
prologic |
I couldn't rebase that so I could remove it's history |
| 00:29 |
|
prologic |
so was stuck with a commit/fix |
| 00:29 |
|
prologic |
:P |
| 00:29 |
|
prologic |
oh and yes you are quite right |
| 00:29 |
|
prologic |
its not its' |
| 00:29 |
|
prologic |
blah |
| 00:32 |
|
pdurbin |
huh, I must haved clicked on http://nanomsg.org at some point because it's purple. describe as the "spiritual successor of zeromq" at https://changelog.com/163/ which I'm really enjoying. |
| 00:34 |
|
prologic |
fixed the incorrect it's usage |
| 00:34 |
|
prologic |
thanks |
| 00:34 |
|
prologic |
and removed the rambling |
| 00:34 |
|
prologic |
it's unimportant :) |
| 00:39 |
|
pdurbin |
+1 |
| 00:39 |
|
prologic |
anything else? :) |
| 00:40 |
|
prologic |
I want to be as engaging as possible |
| 00:40 |
|
prologic |
my intention was to really left out the development of the app as such and assume the reader is quite experienced in web development already |
| 00:40 |
|
prologic |
so it's less of a tutorial on how to write a todo web app |
| 00:41 |
|
pdurbin |
sure. your "hook" is about quick and easy deployment |
| 00:57 |
|
prologic |
precisely |
| 00:57 |
|
prologic |
and also about repeatability |
| 00:57 |
|
prologic |
have I not made that obvious enough? |
| 00:57 |
|
prologic |
I suppose it'll become apparent in the next section |
| 00:59 |
|
pdurbin |
it better |
| 00:59 |
|
pdurbin |
;) |
| 01:06 |
|
prologic |
hehe |
| 01:06 |
|
prologic |
lastly how does a final section on how to apply this to your own app |
| 01:06 |
|
prologic |
be it a java app, ruby or whatever |
| 01:10 |
|
pdurbin |
yep. sounds good |
| 01:11 |
|
pdurbin |
prologic: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/intro/tutorial01/ is written for Python 3. If I'm going to create a Django example for https://github.com/pdurbin/addressbookmvc should it be in Python 2 or 3? |
| 01:12 |
|
prologic |
IHMO both |
| 01:13 |
|
prologic |
But that's just me; a lot of folk don't share this opinion |
| 01:13 |
|
prologic |
There is *very* good reasoning behind my stance though |
| 01:13 |
|
prologic |
A lot of lirbary authors and large software systems still use and rely quite heavily on Python 2.6 (in some cases) and many more on Python 2.7 |
| 01:14 |
|
prologic |
you can push and shove all you like but the reality is Python 2.x isn't going away any time soon (not yet) |
| 01:14 |
|
prologic |
2.7.10 was released only a short while ago |
| 01:14 |
|
prologic |
so I think even the core Python devs know this |
| 01:14 |
|
prologic |
it's like the whole IPV4/IPv6 thing :) |
| 01:15 |
|
prologic |
I *always* develop for both Python 2/3 (2.6+ atm) |
| 01:15 |
|
pdurbin |
prologic: I mean just for the addressbookmvc example. what did you do for the circuits example? |
| 01:18 |
|
prologic |
written for both |
| 01:18 |
|
prologic |
which I'll have to rewrite now :) |
| 01:20 |
|
pdurbin |
yeah, sorry about that. miscommunication :) |
| 01:20 |
|
pdurbin |
prologic: ok, so your code is backwards compatible you're saying, maybe even back to python 2.6 |
| 01:21 |
|
pdurbin |
http://railslide.io/virtualenvwrapper-python3.html seems helpful if I want to try python 3 on my ubuntu box |
| 01:22 |
|
prologic |
normally it is yeah |
| 01:22 |
|
prologic |
oh doing Python2/3 isn't really that hard IHMO |
| 01:23 |
|
prologic |
mkvirtualenv -p /usr/bin/python3.4 py34 |
| 01:23 |
|
prologic |
I have Python 2.6, 2.7, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4 and PyPy on my desktop at home :) |
| 01:24 |
|
pdurbin |
huh. interesting. maybe that -p is all i need |
| 01:25 |
|
prologic |
it should be |
| 01:25 |
|
prologic |
sudo apt-get install python-3.4 |
| 01:25 |
|
prologic |
and mkvirtualenv -p |
| 01:25 |
|
prologic |
develop in regular Python 2.x virtualenvs |
| 01:25 |
|
prologic |
and switch to py34 for testing Python3 compat |
| 01:25 |
|
prologic |
use the six library where appropriate |
| 01:26 |
|
* pdurbin |
looks at https://pypi.python.org/pypi/six |
| 01:27 |
|
pdurbin |
yeah, -p seems to have worked, thanks! |
| 01:30 |
|
prologic |
nps! |
| 01:30 |
|
prologic |
if you're doing to do this too btw |
| 01:31 |
|
prologic |
and +1 for you taking up Python and a django version |
| 01:31 |
|
prologic |
stick in the scaffolding mentione din my draft blog |
| 01:31 |
|
prologic |
so it's ready for production dpeloyment :) |
| 01:31 |
|
prologic |
you can even make life eaiser on yourself and do development that way too |
| 01:31 |
|
prologic |
shove in whatever db you want to use |
| 01:32 |
|
prologic |
link it against the django app |
| 01:32 |
|
prologic |
etc |
| 01:32 |
|
prologic |
just use the django-admin.py service |
| 01:32 |
|
prologic |
it'l be good enough |
| 01:32 |
|
pdurbin |
oh, I was going to follow https://github.com/twoscoops/django-twoscoops-project |
| 01:32 |
|
prologic |
and if you point a wildcard dns at your host |
| 01:32 |
|
prologic |
and use autodock |
| 01:32 |
|
prologic |
you can do full production-like testing on your ddv machine |
| 01:34 |
|
prologic |
I think that's fine |
| 01:34 |
|
prologic |
but you can combine the two |
| 01:34 |
|
prologic |
one's more about setting up the dev enviornment |
| 01:34 |
|
prologic |
what I'm suggesting is also setup the build/deploy/integration environment too |
| 01:34 |
|
prologic |
so still develop locally against your virtualenv |
| 01:34 |
|
prologic |
then do things like: docker-compose up |
| 01:34 |
|
prologic |
for full testing |
| 01:35 |
|
pdurbin |
or vagrant :) |
| 01:39 |
|
prologic |
no! |
| 01:39 |
|
prologic |
:P |
| 01:40 |
|
prologic |
I mean it's "okay" if you follow the same approach as "immutable infrastructure" |
| 01:40 |
|
prologic |
and not fall back into the habit of provisioning a machine :P |
| 01:40 |
|
prologic |
this is your chance to really give Docker a go :P |
| 01:40 |
|
prologic |
I've already very carefully documented 1/2 the steps :) |
| 01:46 |
|
pdurbin |
:) |
| 01:47 |
|
pdurbin |
really I'm just trying to compare JSF to Wicket to Django (and someday circuits when the UI is server-side)) |
| 01:50 |
|
prologic |
alright :P |
| 01:51 |
|
pdurbin |
possibly rails or node or whatever else |
| 01:51 |
|
pdurbin |
I'll see what gets contributed. :) |
| 01:53 |
|
prologic |
sure sure |
| 01:53 |
|
prologic |
nps |
| 01:53 |
|
prologic |
perhaps can we do something else then |
| 01:53 |
|
prologic |
as a compromise |
| 01:53 |
|
prologic |
as part of the spec |
| 01:53 |
|
prologic |
I know I haven't commented on the citkets of late (been quite busy and overwhelemd with other things) |
| 01:53 |
|
prologic |
sometimes just chatting is eaiser/quicker |
| 01:53 |
|
prologic |
we should describe what it should expose/etc |
| 01:54 |
|
prologic |
so every example exposes a little web server on port 8000 |
| 01:54 |
|
prologic |
or something |
| 01:54 |
|
prologic |
any database used has to have a shell script that sets up whatever it needs to get the database going (assuming a fresh db) |
| 01:55 |
|
prologic |
just something that would make my life eaiser for when I go ahead and Dockerize all the examples and deploy them all somewhere |
| 01:55 |
|
prologic |
something I can apply a blanket thing over |
| 02:05 |
|
pdurbin |
you want some standardization |
| 02:06 |
|
pdurbin |
sure. this can all be fodder for the spec discussion: https://github.com/pdurbin/addressbookmvc/issues/4 |
| 02:07 |
|
pdurbin |
heh. "If all of this is gibberish to you, just use Python 3." |
| 02:17 |
|
prologic |
hah |
| 02:18 |
|
prologic |
yeah just a couple of standard things is all that's needed |
| 02:18 |
|
prologic |
1. Expose the app on 8000/tcp |
| 02:18 |
|
prologic |
2. Clear state or have a script to install dependencies |
| 02:18 |
|
prologic |
3. Clearly state or have a script to setup any dependent dadtabase (if any). |
| 02:19 |
|
prologic |
scripts are preferable obviously |
| 02:26 |
|
pdurbin |
I'd say scripts are required for this stuff, since it's optional and free hosting anyway. :) |
| 02:27 |
|
pdurbin |
anyway, started a django branch but I only pushed because I got to the end of the first page of the tutorial and need to get some sleep: https://github.com/pdurbin/addressbookmvc/tree/django |
| 02:27 |
|
pdurbin |
the new database migration stuff seems nice. I think I last did this tutorial for django 1.4 |
| 02:32 |
|
prologic |
yeah |
| 02:32 |
|
prologic |
I agree |
| 02:32 |
|
prologic |
let's make that mandatory |
| 02:32 |
|
prologic |
otherwise it'll make my job too hard :) |
| 02:32 |
|
prologic |
yeah django-south (I think it is) is quite nice |
| 02:32 |
|
prologic |
similar to SA's migration stuff |
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pdurbin |
I'm not sure if the native stuff is based on south or not. |
| 12:20 |
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pdurbin |
prologic: SA? what's that? |
| 16:13 |
|
dotplus |
pdurbin: api de-emphasized. |
| 16:14 |
|
dotplus |
The point of the API section is (merely) documentation about how the app should behave. Not that an API must be implemented. |
| 16:15 |
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dotplus |
I'm assuming that the significance of the capitalization of SHOULD/MUST is not lost? |
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| 21:33 |
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prologic |
pdurbin, SA == SQL Alchemy |
| 21:33 |
|
prologic |
a Python database agnostic ORM |
| 21:33 |
|
prologic |
one of the most widely used next to Django's ORM itself |
| 21:47 |
|
pdurbin |
oh |
| 21:55 |
|
pdurbin |
I've heard of it. |
| 21:55 |
|
pdurbin |
dotplus: sounds like there's a commit for me to check out. |
