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11:47 prologic https://gist.github.com/prologic/7bb5bbcecfb79bfdc841
11:47 prologic what do you think of an event-driven map/reduce?
11:52 pdurbin is this like https://docs.python.org/3.5/library/multiprocessing.html#multiprocessing.pool.Pool.map_async ?
11:53 prologic yes kind of
11:53 prologic it's just a PoC right now
11:53 prologic but I'm going to toy around with scaling this up to distributed nodes
11:53 pdurbin cool
11:53 prologic possibly with dynamic features just like the rest of circuits
11:53 prologic so you could do things like add more nodes to the system to expand the processing power of the distributed system
11:55 pdurbin prologic: man are you fast with the comments: https://github.com/pdurbin/addressbookmvc/pull/10
11:55 pdurbin aditsu just pushed that a moment ago!
11:56 pdurbin prologic: and your ears may be burning: http://irclog.greptilian.com/friendlyjava/2015-06-20#i_121540 :)
12:00 prologic lol
12:00 prologic yeah :)
12:00 pdurbin prologic: are we killing you with java? :)
12:01 prologic haha
12:01 prologic the name of?
12:01 prologic lol
12:01 prologic nah
12:01 pdurbin there's hope for an elixir implementation: https://github.com/pdurbin/addressbookmvc/issues/5
12:01 prologic ahh nice :)
12:01 aditsu the original plan was to compare java frameworks
12:01 prologic oh haha
12:01 prologic that didn't happen! :P
12:01 aditsu it's happening now
12:02 prologic well okay sure
12:02 prologic 2 java versions and a python version
12:02 prologic so I'm outnumbered :)
12:02 pdurbin aditsu: what? who said we are limited to java? :)
12:03 pdurbin prologic: I just left a comment for the elixir guy
12:03 aditsu I didn't say limited, that's just the original motivation, isn't it?
12:03 aditsu if I get reeeealy bored sometime, I might contribute a django version :p
12:03 pdurbin aditsu: yep, and what I'd like to do is actually deploy (at least locally) each implementation so I can play with it
12:03 pdurbin prologic: you made this super easy. thanks!
12:04 aditsu prologic: so you like the current name? (addressbookmvc)
12:07 prologic yeah I think it's fine tbh
12:07 prologic also why not have all versions published and live running somewhere?
12:07 prologic all as docker containers of course
12:07 prologic it would be trivial really to do so ihmo :)
12:07 pdurbin prologic: would you be willing to host them?
12:07 prologic sure why not
12:07 pdurbin sweet!
12:08 pdurbin I might need some help making a container out of mine
12:08 prologic I'd only need one requirement
12:08 prologic each version have it's own Dockerfile
12:08 prologic that works obviously in local development
12:09 prologic https://registry.hub.docker.com/_/java/
12:09 prologic yeah so I think for the two java versions we have
12:09 prologic you'd have to use this as your base image
12:09 prologic FROM java:latest
12:09 prologic ...
12:09 prologic e.g:
12:09 prologic FROM java:7
12:09 prologic COPY . /usr/src/myapp
12:09 prologic WORKDIR /usr/src/myapp
12:09 prologic RUN javac Main.java
12:09 prologic CMD ["java", "Main"]
12:10 pdurbin prologic: can you send me a pull request for my implementation :)
12:11 pdurbin aditsu: I'm fine with changing the name from addressbookmvc. What did you have in mind?
12:12 prologic sure I guess I could
12:12 prologic open an issue about having these deploy live continously
12:12 prologic and I'll work on that
12:12 prologic addressbookmvc.io?
12:12 prologic :)
12:15 pdurbin prologic: let's at least wait to hear aditsu's idea for a better name :)
12:22 prologic sure
12:23 * pdurbin blocks
12:23 * pdurbin unblocks
12:24 pdurbin prologic: meanwhile, I've been thinking about a project specific chat room for addressbookmvc (or whatever the new name is)
12:26 pdurbin either here on freenode or on https://gitter.im (perhaps with syncing via https://github.com/finnp/gitter-irc-bot )
12:27 pdurbin Gitter recently announced unlimited free chat history: http://blog.gitter.im/2015/03/31/free-for-teams-of-up-to-25/
12:28 aditsu my implementation is already running at http://phonebookdemo.aditsu.net
12:29 aditsu pdurbin: let me think..
12:29 pdurbin huh. and mine hasn't crashed yet either: http://tmp.greptilian.com:8080/javaee7addressbook-1.0-SNAPSHOT/ :)
12:30 pdurbin aditsu: which part do you not like? addressbook? MVC? both? :)
12:30 aditsu both, but especially MVC
12:30 pdurbin ah
12:30 aditsu also the lack of any reference to a framework comparison
12:30 pdurbin yeah
12:31 pdurbin we could start a "pick a better name" issue
12:31 pdurbin dotplus: any thoughts?
12:31 pdurbin hydrajump: we should get you in on this stuff
12:32 pdurbin semiosis: and you
12:33 prologic and mine at http://circuitsaddressbookmvc.vz1.bne.shortcircuit.net.au/#/add
12:33 aditsu one idea is "phonebook rosetta"
12:33 prologic yeah re chat room
12:33 prologic I'm not sure sure about Gitter myself
12:33 prologic I started a circuits room on Gitter
12:33 prologic but *meh* :)
12:38 pdurbin aditsu: rosetta is good. reminds me of http://rosettacode.org (chat at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/rosettacode/today )
12:38 pdurbin aditsu: but I don't like "phonebook" which implies a thick book that appears on your doorstep
12:39 aditsu oh, not that phonebook..
12:39 aditsu is there a better name for the thing in your phone? contacts?
12:40 aditsu anyway, another idea... backend babel
12:40 pdurbin android calls it "contacts
12:40 aditsu (or possibly babelfish)
12:41 pdurbin babelcode?
12:43 aditsu well, we could always call it marklar :p
12:44 pdurbin this? http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Marklar I haven't watched much south park
12:45 aditsu yeah; I think apple also used it as a codename at some point
12:46 aditsu also see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=marklar&defid=1674984
12:47 pdurbin so it's like "smurf"
12:47 aditsu anyway... contacts rosetta? backend rosetta?
12:51 pdurbin those seem fine to me. unfortunately just as long as addressbookmvc
12:52 aditsu backendshow
12:52 aditsu (with different performers)
12:52 pdurbin hmm, reminds me too much of peepshow
12:53 aditsu webcontacts
12:53 prologic backieshowdown
12:53 prologic :)
12:53 aditsu thought about "showdown", but apparently it implies competition
12:54 prologic haha
12:54 pdurbin reminds me of http://www.programmingthrowdown.com (which I like a lot)
12:54 aditsu actually, confrontation
12:54 prologic backendstruts
12:54 aditsu ugh, not struts
12:55 prologic heh
12:55 pdurbin are we committed to contacts? the app could be about anything
12:56 pdurbin (I'm fine with it continuing to be about contacts)
12:56 pdurbin are there any other words for "backend"?
12:57 aditsu I think it helps to implement the same kind of thing... although we already have significant differences
12:57 aditsu server (side)
12:57 pdurbin because to a non-computer person "backendshow" sounds a little nsfw :)
12:57 pdurbin aditsu: oh, agreed. but we're not going to change to a todo list, right?
12:58 aditsu I'd rather not, unless everyone wants to
12:58 prologic yeah re differences
12:58 pdurbin part of why I didn't want to have it be a todo list is that I don't want people to confuse the project with http://todomvc.com
12:58 prologic we should probably try to implement the same set of requirements?
12:59 pdurbin prologic: right. we'll define a spec here: https://github.com/pdurbin/addressbookmvc/issues/4
12:59 prologic yeah kk
13:00 aditsu I think I tried to define it, let me check the logs
13:01 pdurbin aditsu: here's where it started: http://irclog.greptilian.com/friendlyjava/2015-03-28#i_105286
13:01 prologic and tbqh I might drop my AngularJS UI
13:01 prologic for a more simplistic plain html one
13:03 pdurbin I might try React.
13:03 aditsu looks like I didn't talk about specifics..
13:04 pdurbin aditsu: there are more logs linked from that issue 4
13:06 prologic yeah
13:06 prologic well I just look at the uis you guys have done
13:06 prologic and think I may have overdone it a bit
13:06 prologic :)
13:06 pdurbin teacher's pet!
13:08 prologic http://prologic.github.io/factory/
13:08 prologic github pages are pretty nice and easy
13:09 pdurbin we *could* even make a github organization, you know
13:09 pdurbin might be overkill
13:10 pdurbin todomvc is under "tastejs": https://github.com/tastejs/todomvc
13:10 pdurbin and no I don't think I want to go with "tastebackend". yuck
13:14 aditsu I commented on that issue
13:14 pdurbin aditsu: good summary. thanks
13:15 pdurbin if the app is so much about phone numbers could we use "num" in the name?
13:16 pdurbin num is nice and short. even shorter than todo! :)
13:16 pdurbin babelnum
13:18 aditsu cbfeicl - comparison of backend frameworks exemplified by the implementation of a contact list
13:18 prologic I thought it was about contacts/addresses
13:18 prologic address book
13:18 prologic :)
13:20 pdurbin it's like the contacts app on your phone
13:20 aditsu but simpler
13:20 pdurbin aditsu: an acroynm is not a bad idea
13:21 pdurbin {"crimsonfu": "ConfiguRatIon Management of Systems Or Network kung FU"}
13:22 aditsu wow, that's... contrived :p
13:22 pdurbin I came up with that. I should probably leave naming to someone else.
13:23 aditsu I mean, it sounds great, it just doesn't really match the words
13:23 aditsu heh, this reminds me of the USA FREEDOM act :p
13:30 aditsu pdurbin: hmm, your application seems to have only a name field
13:31 pdurbin aditsu: oh. I probably didn't deploy the latest version
13:31 pdurbin deadbeef: Downloadable Example Applications Demonstrating Back End Enterprise Frameworks
13:32 pdurbin I don't really like "Enterprise" there though.
13:32 aditsu downloadable?
13:32 pdurbin yeah, wasn't sure about downloadable either.
13:33 pdurbin demo?
13:33 pdurbin prologic: deadbeef! :)
13:36 aditsu webcomp
13:37 prologic *could* be downloadable if we all provided docker images
13:40 aditsu pdurbin: on an unrelated note, have you seen my XkcdLang?
13:41 aditsu http://irclog.greptilian.com/friendlyjava/2015-06-16#i_120952
13:52 pdurbin aditsu: I saw you posted it
13:53 pdurbin so how about this... I'll create an issue to further discuss changing the name
13:54 aditsu ok
13:54 pdurbin if there is a good free online tool letting people vote on names please let me know
13:54 pdurbin vote and contribute other names, I mean
13:56 pdurbin suggest alternatives. you know what I mean
14:02 aditsu that's an interesting project idea :)
14:03 pdurbin I can't find a good one.
14:03 pdurbin something like stackoverflow would work
14:03 pdurbin since people can upvote answers
14:05 pdurbin really just anything where people can star stuff
14:06 aditsu there might be something at http://alternativeto.net/software/ideatorrent/
14:13 pdurbin aditsu and prologic: are you able to create cards here? https://trello.com/b/9oNykDM3/addressbookmvc-rename
14:13 aditsu oh, you can do that on trello?
14:14 aditsu I can't add a card
14:16 pdurbin aditsu: what if you sign into trello?
14:16 aditsu I am signed in
14:18 pdurbin bah. not the right tool I guess
14:18 aditsu pdurbin: oh, it says "only people added to the board can edit it" - maybe you can add me
14:19 pdurbin aditsu: sure but I want the public to be able to add themselves
14:19 pdurbin I don't want to be the gatekeeper
14:21 pdurbin yeah, wrong tool apparently: http://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/24887/how-to-let-random-users-add-a-card-to-a-public-trello-board
14:28 pdurbin hmm, maybe I could use http://shapado.com for this
14:31 pdurbin aditsu: I have to bring my kid to her soccer game. if you feel like setting up a poll on shapado, please go ahead. should work
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14:48 aditsu nah, I'd rather discuss it on github (or even here) if it's up to me
14:48 aditsu also, it's "football" :p
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15:16 pdurbin_m aditsu: football. sorry
15:16 * pdurbin_m isn't really sorry
15:17 aditsu haha
15:18 pdurbin_m I'll try to set up shapado later
15:29 pdurbin_m I can't think of a better way.
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16:23 pdurbin_m deadbeef: Deployable Example Applications Demonstrating Backend Environments Especially Frameworks
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16:37 pdurbin_m the deployable part is important to me. we should continue to encourage a Vagrantfile and/or Dockerfile
16:48 pdurbin_m prologic: are you willing to add a Vagrantfile to yours?
17:45 aditsu Developing Example Applications Demonstrating BackEnd Engineering Frameworks
18:01 pdurbin_m aditsu: very nice!
18:17 pdurbin_m prologic: when you wake up please let us know what you think
18:44 pdurbin aditsu: maybe we won't need fancy voting afterall :)
18:45 aditsu I didn't say I liked it :p but yeah, I think I'm ok with deadbeef :)
18:45 pdurbin aditsu: should I set up the voting?
18:46 aditsu probably not necessary, let's see what others think
18:48 pdurbin I like that only hackers will know what deadbeef is. It's an inside joke.
18:49 pdurbin and we get both "back end" and "framework" in there
18:52 pdurbin aditsu: once we settle on a name do you have any opinion on if we should have our own github "organization"? might be overkill but it sounds like prologic might want to register a domain name...
18:52 aditsu I don't know what an "organization" is, so no opinion
18:53 pdurbin like https://github.com/google or https://github.com/facebook or https://github.com/netflix or https://github.com/twitter
18:56 aditsu well, we don't have an actual organization... unless this channel counts as one
18:56 aditsu anyway, I guess I'm neutral
18:57 pdurbin one thought would be to start a new channel for the project
19:01 pdurbin all the trappings :)
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21:29 prologic re Vagrantfile; why?
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21:33 prologic re Trello; what about we use straight Github Issues with waffle.io?
21:33 pdurbin prologic: Vangrantfile and Dockerfile as belt and suspenders
21:34 pdurbin and good morning :)
21:36 pdurbin prologic: with Trello I tried to set up voting for a new name for addressbookmvc but it's the wrong tool. I can try another tool for voting ( http://shapado.com ) if we still want to vote. What do you think about "deadbeef" as a name? :)
21:37 prologic haha
21:37 prologic we really leaning towards deadbeef? :)
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21:38 prologic I'm not sure why we'd have both a Vagrantfile and a Dockerfile
21:38 prologic but I guess we could have a Vagrantfile for those that don't have Docker (yet) as a way to get it up and running in a virtualbox vm
21:39 prologic i.e: Vagrantfile spins up boot2docker and shell provisisions it to install docker-compose and runs docker-compose up -d
21:39 pdurbin right, for those who don't have Docker (yet)
21:40 pdurbin aditsu didn't say he liked deadbeef
21:40 prologic yeah yeah
21:40 prologic should be reay
21:40 prologic easy*
21:47 pdurbin but he came up with an acronym I can live with
21:47 pdurbin prologic: were you serious about buying a domain?
21:52 prologic well my wife would be a bit upset if I bought more domains
21:52 prologic I already have way too many I hardly use and have been trying to drop a few
21:53 prologic but happy to register one and manage some infrastructure around this
21:53 prologic how can we pool resources?
21:53 prologic so it's not a burden on one person? :)
21:53 prologic .io domains are super expensive :/
21:54 pdurbin ah, I didn't know
21:54 prologic probably because recent surges in .io domain uptakes by tech companies has inflated then price
21:54 pdurbin makes sense
21:54 prologic yeah I have 30+ domains or so
21:54 prologic haha
21:54 prologic domains aren't free :)
21:54 pdurbin right
21:54 prologic hosting some infrastructure around this might cost as little as $5/month though :)
21:55 pdurbin maybe for now we should not buy a domain and say everyone hosts their own, like we're doing
21:55 pdurbin so the burden is distributed
21:56 prologic yeah that could work
21:57 prologic we could at least collect the URIs on the proejct page
21:57 prologic and setup a Github Pages thingy
21:57 prologic actually
21:57 prologic if we setup a GH org
21:57 prologic we could have for e.g
21:57 prologic deadbeaf.github.io
21:57 prologic err
21:57 prologic deafbeef.github.io
21:58 pdurbin sure. let's decide on a name before creating the github org though
22:03 pdurbin bah, google login no longer works on http://shapado.com ... I don't want to force people to create accounts. I want low friction voting (with the ability to suggest possibilities)
22:04 prologic bloody hell i have 34 domains
22:04 prologic haha
22:05 prologic what about http://poll.gitrun.com/
22:05 prologic ?
22:12 pdurbin I think I found one
22:12 pdurbin prologic: can you please try adding an idea to this? http://www.tricider.com/brainstorming/35DVEKere5x
22:13 pdurbin (14 days seems like plenty of time)
22:14 pdurbin doesn't even require login, which is nice
22:14 pdurbin not sure if you can vote for multiple things, which would be nice
22:16 prologic lemme see
22:17 prologic works
22:23 pdurbin cool. I created an issue linking to it: addressbookmvc could be renamed to something better · Issue #11 · pdurbin/addressbookmvc - https://github.com/pdurbin/addressbookmvc/issues/11
22:24 pdurbin aditsu: only 14 days so hurry. add as many ideas as you like and we'll vote
22:24 pdurbin huh. I can change the deadline
22:25 pdurbin ok if we can't decide by the end of the year we'll stick with addressbookmvc :)
22:30 prologic ok!
22:42 pdurbin it's kind of neat. you can even add pro and con arguments (which I did for deadbeef) :)

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