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| 16:39 |
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pdurbin |
interesting: https://sukhbinder.wordpress.com/2015/02/25/python-over-other-languages/ |
| 16:44 |
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pdurbin |
heh. "Anectotal evidence suggests that one Python programmer can finish in two months what two C++ programmers can't complete in a year." |
| 16:45 |
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pdurbin |
this infographic was created by https://intellipaat.com it says at the bottom |
| 16:49 |
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sivoais |
the Tcl stuff is not true at all! "Everything is a string" is what the programmer sees, but the interpreter caches the internal representation. Also, Tcl has namespaces and has for a long time. |
| 16:50 |
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sivoais |
and it probably has the best interface to C besides Lua. There are really great Tcl + C programmers. Like Richard Hipp, who made SQLite |
| 16:53 |
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pdurbin |
and "Python has an applicability well beyond Perl's niche" makes no sense to me. Perl is general purpose. |
| 16:54 |
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sivoais |
heh, they need to see CPAN |
| 16:54 |
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pdurbin |
I also wonder how often this happens in practice: "Python can be used to prototype components until their design can be 'hardened' in a Java implementation." |
| 16:55 |
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sivoais |
oh, btw, I learned that Perl 6 will be working with CPAN! |
| 16:55 |
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sivoais |
I've never heard of anything going that route O_o But that isn't specific to Python, if true :-P |
| 16:57 |
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pdurbin |
probably more often the protype gets shipped ;) |
| 16:59 |
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pdurbin |
it's also funny how they say Javascript lacks what they say Python has "a true object-oriented programming style". I guess they don't like protypal OO. :) |
| 16:59 |
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pdurbin |
anyway, it seems like they pulled the graphic down, as I noted at https://plus.google.com/+SukhbinderSingh/posts/c44EJsyTbuS |
| 17:00 |
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pdurbin |
yeah, I listened to Richard Hipp at http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/320 recently and he's a smart guy |
| 17:01 |
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pdurbin |
sivoais: is there a link you recommend for the Perl 6 CPAN news? |
| 17:06 |
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sivoais |
if you want to know the high-level stuff without having to read the #perl6 logs, this is good <https://p6weekly.wordpress.com/> |
| 17:06 |
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sivoais |
and much of the news gets posted to <http://www.reddit.com/r/perl6> |
| 17:14 |
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sivoais |
heh, Perl6 seems to have RosettaCode driven development. Problems from RosettaCode are used to test out different parts of the language and then they are profiled for optmisation. |
| 17:15 |
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sivoais |
And become part of the test-suite for all Perl6 implementations |
| 17:50 |
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pdurbin |
meh, I'm not going to dig into the #perl6 logs for this. I'll wait until there's a proper write up about CPAN. |
| 17:59 |
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pdurbin |
sivoais: good to know, though. thanks |
| 18:17 |
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sivoais |
pdurbin: I actually found out about the CPAN thing via reddit |
| 18:17 |
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sivoais |
let me dredge that up |
| 18:18 |
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sivoais |
<http://www.reddit.com/r/perl6/comments/2wl8fg/thoughts_on_getting_perl_6_for_christmas/> and <http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/2wkemg/thoughts_on_getting_perl_6_for_christmas/> |
| 18:18 |
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sivoais |
> At another level, FROGGS and lizmat have been working with CPAN folk behind the scenes for about a year, paving the way for P6 using CPAN. |
| 18:19 |
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sivoais |
so I jumped on #perl6 to say |
| 18:19 |
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sivoais |
m: my %karma; %karma{ :lizmat, :FROGGS }>>++; say %karma |
| 18:20 |
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sivoais |
you can guess what that does :-) |
| 18:21 |
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pdurbin |
ah, "there's a branch of the module installer that can install Perl 6 modules from CPAN". this one: https://github.com/tadzik/panda/tree/CPAN |
| 18:31 |
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sivoais |
though, I have to say, one of the annoying things about Perl6 is that certain tokens care about if you put a space between them and the previous token |
| 18:32 |
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sivoais |
for example: my $g = 41; $g ++; # compilation error. It has to be $g++ |
| 18:33 |
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sivoais |
I suppose the strictness in the grammar is because they are trying to make a tight spec |
| 18:34 |
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sivoais |
but I like to be "creative" with alignment at times for the sake of readability |
| 18:35 |
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pdurbin |
sivoais: are you saying you don't use `perltidy`? I love perltidy! |
| 18:37 |
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sivoais |
no, I actually haven't! I usually let Vim's = handle the indent for me. |
| 18:38 |
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sivoais |
oooh, the square-bracket-tightness option for perltidy looks nice! |
| 18:39 |
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sivoais |
and the paren one too. I usually end up doing that by hand using surround.vim. I shall add this too my utility belt. |
| 18:39 |
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sivoais |
*to |
| 18:46 |
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pdurbin |
sivoais: you can inflict your style on others like this! https://github.com/pdurbin/wellington/blob/master/t/perlcriticrc :) |
| 18:48 |
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sivoais |
hah, severity = brutal |
| 18:54 |
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pdurbin |
love it |
| 18:57 |
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pdurbin |
sivoais: perltidy doesn't just *report* on violations. it'll actually *reformat* the code for you! :) |
| 19:00 |
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pdurbin |
anyway, it's a fantastic tool. huh, http://perltidy.com seems to be down but it's linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PerlTidy |
| 19:04 |
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sivoais |
I asked about the space thing in #perl6 and it seems it is done that way be make the grammar extensible and fast at the same time, since you can add more operators at runtime |
| 19:04 |
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sivoais |
which will change how things are parsed (within a scope, if you like) |
| 19:05 |
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sivoais |
because otherwise the interpreter would have to do multiple passes and backtracking |
| 19:06 |
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sivoais |
I'll have to use perltidy more. I'm now looking at some of the equivalents for C. |
| 19:44 |
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pdurbin |
sivoais: if you find one, please let me know. `lint` will *report* problems, of course |
| 19:44 |
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pdurbin |
not that I write C much |
| 20:08 |
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sivoais |
indent(1) is a pretty common one that I totally forgot about |
| 20:08 |
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sivoais |
there's also <http://astyle.sourceforge.net/> and <http://uncrustify.sourceforge.net/> |
| 20:09 |
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pdurbin |
ah, yes, astyle I've heard of for sure |
| 21:44 |
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pdurbin |
nice rant: http://bitquabit.com/post/unorthodocs-abandon-your-dvcs-and-return-to-sanity/ |
