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02:07 pdurbin today I learned about this as an alternative to AtomPub: Collection+JSON - Hypermedia Type : Media Types - http://amundsen.com/media-types/collection/
02:07 pdurbin via http://rest.hackyhack.net/2013-08-09.html#51/h51
02:10 pdurbin hmm, and now that I'm catching up on that log, I hadn't heard of this either: The Hypertext Application Language - http://stateless.co/hal_specification.html (HAL)
02:28 semiosis +1
02:36 semiosis i saw this talk (or a variation of it) at the SunshinePHP conf earlier this year: http://www.slideshare.net/LukeStokes/pox-to-hateoas-13077649
02:37 semiosis it was my first introduction to these things (HAL, Collection+JSON, etc)
02:38 semiosis pdurbin:
03:18 pdurbin semiosis: ah. ok
03:20 pdurbin how come PUT is for both create and update? :)
03:21 semiosis good question
03:22 semiosis great explanation: http://www.packetizer.com/ws/rest.html
03:22 semiosis see the section called Safety & Idempotence
03:22 semiosis s/&/and/
03:23 semiosis one simplistic way of looking at it is that POST is for creating a new resource when you don't know the URL where it will live, PUT for when you do know the URL
03:25 pdurbin "The key difference is that POST is used when the server is in control of storing information, not the client."
03:25 pdurbin hadn't seen that before
03:32 semiosis on the topic of rest design, i also found this helpful: http://blog.apigee.com/detail/slides_for_restful_api_design_second_edition_webinar/
03:32 semiosis looks like the author updated it again in jan, a 3rd edition
12:51 agoddard joined #sourcefu
15:37 pdurbin agoddard: I think I do like http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.8.7/libdoc/rexml/rdoc/index.html a log better than http://docs.python.org/2/library/xml.etree.elementtree.html
15:51 pdurbin yeah, I don't like the output from xml.etree.ElementTree.dump(elem)
15:53 pdurbin with rexml I can just `puts foo` and it shows the original XML, not some weird version with  ns0 and ns1 in it
15:53 pdurbin plus I can use backticks... ahhhh ... so perl-y :)
15:58 pdurbin or shell-y, I suppose :)
16:04 pdurbin I guess switching from
16:04 pdurbin Popen("myscript", stdout=PIPE).communicate()[0]
16:04 pdurbin to
16:04 pdurbin os.popen("myscript").read()
16:04 pdurbin helps a lot. but still... love me some backticks
16:57 pdurbin ah, ha, I can get rid of ns0 by registring a blank namespace. i.e. etree.register_namespace('', 'http://some.namespace') at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8113296/supressing-namespace-prefixes-in-elementtree-1-2
17:11 pdurbin less brittle XML parsing in Python, Ruby proof of concept · be9cdb9 · IQSS/dvn - https://github.com/IQSS/dvn/commit/be9cdb9
17:11 pdurbin yeah, I like the Ruby version much better ^^
17:12 pdurbin this just works: deposit_target = XPath.first(sd, "//collection/@href")
17:12 pdurbin this is nuts: deposit_target = service_document.find(".//{http://www.w3.org/2007/app}workspace/{http://www.w3.org/2007/app}collection").attrib["href"]
19:04 pdurbin convert from Python to Ruby for easier XML parsing · 37897a2 · IQSS/dvn - https://github.com/IQSS/dvn/commit/37897a2
19:04 pdurbin agoddard: ^^ :)

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