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10:52 pdurbin heh. http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/_java/problem-factory.jpg via http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/java via ironcamel at https://plus.google.com/102499719144563443986/posts/Wh3v1EFzbfP
14:20 pdurbin ironcamel: I'm glad to hear you say you like Java. I'm enjoying it too :)
16:02 pdurbin "Alas... software developers are generally not interested in spinning narratives or crafting metaphorical microworlds. Of course, many programmers are interested in designing intuitive, self-consistent language in their tools. This would be awesome if they didn’t suck at it so very badly. In the case of git, it’s original creator, Linus Torvalds, appears to have demonstrated the classic negligence of an anti-design geek who has no time for wor
16:03 pdurbin wordsmithing." -- https://ventrellathing.wordpress.com/2013/01/25/git-a-nightmare-of-mixed-metaphors/
16:49 semiosis did anyone here learn to use a VCS in school?  i didn't.
16:56 pdurbin ha!
16:58 ironcamel learning vcs in school seems like a waste of time
16:59 ironcamel tools like vcs are "learnable"
17:01 ironcamel "Because the obscure language and cryptic behavior of git is impossible to remember, unless you use it every day." I agree with that. But that may be just that dvcs is complicated, it's not necessarily the fault of git.
17:04 ironcamel the funny thing is, when I create command line tools, i model the interface after git
17:04 ironcamel i like the program noun verb arguments ...
17:04 ironcamel git remote add foo ....
17:09 pdurbin yeah but git is picky about the order of flags to arguments
17:24 ironcamel you mean you have to do git checkout -b foo, not git -b foo checkout ?
17:25 pdurbin not specifically but yeah :)
17:29 ironcamel in that case, it seems reasonable to enforce that order
17:33 pdurbin git -b foo checkout is a little silly :)
17:43 pdurbin speaking of git, I'm looking at this right now: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/449541/how-do-you-merge-selective-files-with-git-merge
17:45 pdurbin as I've described at http://dvn.github.com/dvn-sourceforge2github/dvn-dev-on-github/quickstart/ I've branched "2656-lucene" from "develop" and I'm periodically merging in changes from "develop" by checking out 2656-lucene and running `git merge develop`
17:46 pdurbin but now... I don't want to run `git merge develop` because if I do I'll lose the jars I need on 2656-lucene (lucene-core-3.5.0.jar and lucene-facet-3.5.0.jar) which you can see at http://danceb.in/hDzMRMyM4hGEhMzl9DNYg
17:47 pdurbin so I ran `git merge --abort` and I'm thinking about either
17:47 pdurbin 1. not trying to keep up with "develop" for a while
17:48 pdurbin 2. trying to merge in all the changes from "develop" except changes to those lucene jars
17:48 pdurbin option 1 is easier but I'm curious about the best way to do option 2
17:54 ironcamel how many commits are being merged
17:54 ironcamel the only way i can think of to do that is cherry pick the commits you want/need
17:55 pdurbin trying to figure out how to see that
17:55 pdurbin how many commits
17:56 ironcamel git log branch1 > foo; git log branch2 > bar; then vim both files and count the commits ... there are probably much better ways than that
17:56 pdurbin heh
17:56 pdurbin I'm looking at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1710894/using-git-show-all-commits-that-are-in-one-branch-but-not-the-others
17:57 ironcamel cool, the first answer mentions cherry-pick as an option
17:57 pdurbin this seems to show it: git log develop ^2656-lucene --no-merges
17:58 ironcamel the second option is cool too, but then your branches get out of sync, or "more" out of sync
17:58 pdurbin hmm, well i did make the change to the jars in a single commit on the develop branch...
17:59 pdurbin ... so maybe that means i can cherry pick all but that commit somehow
18:00 ironcamel that's pretty straightforward
18:02 pdurbin yeah, decent write up at http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/cherry-picking-range-of-git-commits/ it seems
18:03 pdurbin joe shaw · cherry picking a range of commits - http://www.joeshaw.org/2010/06/22/667/
18:08 ironcamel oh cool, i didn't know you could do that
18:09 pdurbin cherry pick a range? yeah. as of 1.7 apparently
18:10 ironcamel looks like i have 1.8
18:10 pdurbin i'd better merge this stuff in now before i go on...
18:11 pdurbin so in http://danceb.in/hDzMRMyM4hGEhMzl9DNYg I did a `git pull` and I can see all the files that were changed, but I could have done a `git fetch` and then a... `git diff`? to see the same output, right?
18:12 pdurbin actually, i guess what I want to see are the conflicts...
18:12 pdurbin meh, i guess i can just do what I did... git pull .. then git merge ... and look at the conflicts
18:13 pdurbin because basically if there are no conflics i'll just merge them in
18:13 pdurbin i just need to be careful not to pull in the change to those lucene jars
18:14 pdurbin (not that the lucene jar thing is a conflict... but i do need those updated jars in my branch)
19:03 pdurbin here are the commits that have been made to "develop" that I want to merge (except 52067238) into "2656-lucene": http://danceb.in/wgwBJNeM4hGz9aO4l9DNYg
19:03 pdurbin I went ahead and ran `git cherry-pick 4331e1e` to grab the oldest commit, the one before the change to the lucene jars I want to avoid
19:05 pdurbin but git cherry pick makes a new commit... it's the same commit... so when comparing commits between the two branches again, it's not like the commit I cherry picked is gone from the list...
19:05 pdurbin it's still a difference, I mean
19:06 pdurbin I guess what I was hoping for... is that the list of differences would get smaller and smaller as I cherry pick commits from "develop" and put them on "2656-lucene"
19:07 pdurbin sort of like marking at email as read, I guess :)
19:07 pdurbin or crossing out an item on a todo list
19:08 pdurbin it just seems like maybe I've started down a path of manually keeping track of specific commits, which is a pain
19:47 * pdurbin asks the guys in #git: http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_log/git?date=2013-03-14#l3600
20:30 pdurbin in the end I backed out of the cherry pick and went for a straight merge
20:31 pdurbin and added the jars I need to .gitignore
20:31 pdurbin i just need to remember to remove them from .gitignore before I merge back to develop some day
21:14 pdurbin it's interesting to me how some of these git features like rebase and cherry-pick are talked up so much... but you should only use them in specific circumstances.  good old merge is working fine for me in general
23:09 semiosis same here

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