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raprasad |
Nice essay: "On System Design" under "Sample Publications": http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~waldo/ |
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pdurbin |
raprasad: thanks. what was your take away from it? |
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raprasad |
Find someone good at system design and learn from him/her--apprentice |
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raprasad |
As an alternative, be more involved with open source |
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pdurbin |
sounds like good advice |
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raprasad |
It's worth reading through. Perhaps controversial: |
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raprasad |
The point, I believe, is that good design is a capability that some people have, and others simply do not. Whether this is an innate skill that people are born with, or one that is cultivated over time in ways that we don’t understand, is a question far too deep for me to address here. I neither know nor care. But by the time someone is designing a computer system, whatever it takes to be a good designer is either there or it is not. When |
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raprasad |
is there, it can be developed and honed. It can also be degraded or warped. But when it is not there, there is no technique or process that can make up the deficit. |
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raprasad |
Very interesting anecdote: |
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There was a period when I would ask, “who did you do your design apprenticeship with?” without supplying any other context. I expected some to be confused by the question, but I found that everyone to whom I asked the question not only understood it, but was able to answer without thinking. Even more interesting, the names that were given were often the same. Whether they knew it or not, a relatively small number of master craftsmen wer |
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credited with training a much larger number of system designers. |
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pdurbin |
software is still a relatively young field |
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spilth |
raprasad: I just started reading Apprenticeship Patterns (http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596518387.do) which, obviously, discusses this sort of thing. |
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raprasad |
thanks spilth |
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pdurbin |
wow, my $data = Text::CSV::Slurp->load( string => $content ) ... ftw :) |
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spilth |
Reminds me of some Perl I wrote long ago that now seems a bit offensive |
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semiosis |
when i first encountered maven i thought it was insane & horrible, but since then every time i encounter dependency management in any other language i gain more respect for maven |
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spilth |
Bundler does a pretty good for Ruby |
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spilth |
pretty good job |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: you've seen the maven/raven video? |
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semiosis |
pdurbin: yep, but i don't like poe |
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semiosis |
hehe |
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spilth |
semiosis: what other languages and dependency tools have you encountered? |
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semiosis |
cpan (nightmare)... rubygems (meh)... pip (ok)... php/pear (nice)... maven (real nice)... |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: i switched to cpanm this week. it's great. very easy |
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pdurbin |
all you do is... |
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pdurbin |
cpan App::cpanminus |
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pdurbin |
to install cpanm |
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pdurbin |
and then |
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pdurbin |
cpanm Some::Module |
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pdurbin |
per http://www.cpan.org/modules/INSTALL.html |
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pdurbin |
ironcamel: ^^ |
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ironcamel |
pdurbin: finally using cpanm :) i have been telling you to for years! |
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pdurbin |
:) |
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pdurbin |
with local::lib, of course :) |
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ironcamel |
but no, "i must create an rpm for every single thing i install, blah blah blah " |
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pdurbin |
well, i'm on a mac now :) |
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ironcamel |
pdurbin-- |
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ironcamel |
so much for "Open source by default" |
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ironcamel |
"When in doubt, but it from apple" |
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ironcamel |
*buy |
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pdurbin |
:) |
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semiosis |
looking forward to trying gradle one of these days |
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pdurbin |
crimsonfubot: lucky gradle dependency |
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pdurbin: http://gradle.org/docs/current/userguide/dependency_management.html |
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pdurbin |
ah. java thing looks like |
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pdurbin |
ironcamel: it hasn't even been a whole year: http://irclog.perlgeek.de/crimsonfu/2012-03-16#i_5306210 :) |
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pdurbin |
i can't find if i ever said that i don't use RPMs for everything. i'm fine with installing via CPAN for stuff on my workstation. i just never use CPAN on a server. preferring always the package manager |
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ironcamel |
it feels like years |
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pdurbin |
we must be having fun :) |
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semiosis |
php has no integer division, float results must be cast to int |
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ironcamel |
hmm, what scripting language has integer division? |
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ironcamel |
python -c 'print 3/2' |
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ironcamel |
1 |
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ironcamel |
python -c 'print 3/2.0' |
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ironcamel |
1.5 |
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ironcamel |
didn't expect that |
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semiosis |
if i divide an int by an int i expect int div... but if either operands are floats i expect a float |
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semiosis |
probably b/c i've been in java land so long |
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ironcamel |
yeah, i expect that in java/c/c++ etc |
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pdurbin |
ironcamel: "MacOS X (our default development OS)" -- http://guides.thedata.org/book/0-automated-installer-new-v30 ... i like sticking with defaults :) ... and at least it's mac ... i didn't know until today that once upon a time the dev environment was windows |
