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saml | 
what do you tell to people who refuse to add rel="self" | 
        
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whartung | 
You shame them publicly by buying large billboards in their neigborhoods with embarrasing photos saml | 
        
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saml | 
whartung, haha i guess one good reasoning is HATEOAS | 
        
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whartung | 
yup! | 
        
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saml | 
or collection resource that embeds other resources | 
        
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saml | 
what about adding links to http headers  instead of representation? | 
        
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saml | 
there's no benefit other than convenience to prefer adding links in representation to headers? | 
        
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whartung | 
well, you should be using hypermedia -- links in teh headers are really only used for opaque, non-hyper media types (like JPG and GIF and what not) | 
        
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saml | 
oh i didn't think of it that way | 
        
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saml | 
that's good explanation | 
        
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whartung | 
it simply comes down to if  you're going to be at the level of REST where you're using links at all, in for a penny, in for a pound -- do it right. | 
        
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whartung | 
otherwsie just shove crap acorss HTTP and be done with it | 
        
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saml | 
what about a case where URL could change? like an article where editors change slug in url few times | 
        
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saml | 
what would rel=self  be? | 
        
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whartung | 
that's what the rels are for - with proper rels, you don't care what the url is | 
        
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saml | 
most up to date url? | 
        
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saml | 
i guess it could be some sort of guid (as in rss) | 
        
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whartung | 
you just dereference the rel when you need it | 
        
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saml | 
yeah | 
        
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pindonga | 
anyone here that can advise on the use of swagger/raml for a) ensuring the documentation is always up to date, b) the server implementation can be tested against the spec thus ensuring api was not broken | 
        
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pindonga | 
am trying to understand what's involved in getting this done | 
        
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whartung | 
I've never used those pindonga | 
        
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saml | 
so they don't want to put links in representation cause what you GET what you PUT | 
        
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saml | 
they think links are data, not metadata | 
        
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saml | 
i can't explain well :| | 
        
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saml | 
but they are okay adding headers | 
        
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saml | 
res.headers.set('Links', links)     vs.   res.body._links = links; | 
        
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saml | 
well, i guess they just persist whatever is in PUT | 
        
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saml | 
without validation :P | 
        
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whartung | 
bbl | 
        
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db.save(validate(req.body)) | 
        
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