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IRC log for #rest, 2015-11-30

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17:45 fuzzyhorns does hypermedia just include message affordances, or can it also include URL conventions? OData has some of the latter and Im wondering if that is part of its "hypermedia"ness or just another nice thing that has its own name or related concept
17:47 fuzzyhorns also: i remember a joke in here about why it's HATEOAS not HATEORS but i dont remember the reasoning. why isnt hypermedia the engine of resource state?
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17:57 fumanchu resources can change state in lots of ways. consider a simple ordering system--the available stock may be updated by all kinds of subsystems that aren't RESTful
17:58 fumanchu it's the user's application of that resource that is driven by hyperlinks
18:05 fuzzyhorns that makes sense to me
18:06 fuzzyhorns that's what i thought
18:06 fuzzyhorns also http://amundsen.com/hypermedia/hfactor/#li seems odd to me given it's not in a markup lang but an actually interpreted lang
18:09 fumanchu yeah, a PUT example would be more appropriate there
18:10 fumanchu if your media type is telling you what HTTP methods to send it's overstepping its bounds into a protocol
18:12 fumanchu although I suppose that DELETE example is trying to say, "you can perform a DELETE if you want to with HTML + JS"
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18:26 fuzzyhorns well, media types commonly _do_ step into those bounds
18:27 fuzzyhorns i think arguably part of their job should be to offer constructions of the right protocol semantics to move through states
18:27 fuzzyhorns but this obv hits a problem when you have more than one protocol
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21:56 fuzzyhorns im working on another presentation http://mooreniemi.github.io/hyper_lightning_talk/#/ still sketchy but feedback welcome :<
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#rest on freenode has been logged here from May 2014 until end of July 2018 but logging has been suspended because the channel has been riddled with spam since August 2018 with no end in site. See the following blog posts about the problem:

Until the spam problem has been dealt with and logging can resume, please visit our wiki at https://trygvis.io/rest-wiki/

Thanks.