IRC log for #rest, 2015-11-11

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14:43	pdurbin	Activity Streams - a format for syndicating social activities around the web - http://activitystrea.ms
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14:48	trygvis	I remember when I was looking at it I was hoping for a way to pull changesets on data but I was disappointed
14:49	trygvis	but it looked good for the things it was designed to do
14:50	pdurbin	people seem to like it: http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-11-11
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20:06	logikos	I have some forms which submit a file along with the other data (for both create & update) .. is it wrong to use POST for updates as it supports formdata ?
20:08	pdurbin	POST is what they show at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/FormData/Using_FormData_Objects
20:09	trygvis	pdurbin: that is assuming that you're using HTML/javascript
20:10	pdurbin	so?
20:25	logikos	I'm using html/javascript client side, its just from my reading everyone says to use POST to create and PUT to update but using PUT with formdata would suck....
20:25	pdurbin	why would it suck?
20:27	logikos	well firstly html only supports 'get' and 'post' as valid options for the method attribute of the form element
20:28	pdurbin	ah
20:28	pdurbin	so the question is if it's ever valid to use POST for updates
20:29	logikos	also serverside i am using PHP which has native support for POST but the support for PUT is you just have the unparsed input string
20:29	logikos	so to use formdata I would have to find and use or make myown formdata parser
20:29	logikos	yes
20:29	logikos	that is the question
20:30	logikos	if not for the file upload (which requires formdata) i could just PUT the key:value 's as JSON and jsondecode() it serverside
20:30	logikos	but when submiting a form with a file... ...
20:30	pdurbin	maybe this deserves an entry at https://trygvis.io/rest-wiki/
20:30	logikos	perhaps
20:31	logikos	i am still very new to REST, but I like the concept and want to start using it
20:32	logikos	the only other option I could think of is to PUT the files by themself to a location on the server and then PUT the data and supply the location of the file for that key
20:32	logikos	but that would require the client to know of valid locations to PUT the file
20:33	logikos	PHP supports PUT being used to create or overwrite a file at a location
20:33	logikos	but the file contents make up the request body
20:33	logikos	so no room for extra data etc, not to mention some forms are able to submit multiple files
20:37	pdurbin	hmm
20:38	pdurbin	yeah, I'm seeing PUT under "editing a resource" http://bitworking.org/projects/atom/rfc5023.html#edit
20:38	pdurbin	Do REST and HTML forms live in different worlds?
20:50	pdurbin	logikos: are you using application/x-www-form-urlencoded or multipart/form-data?
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21:38	whartung	The problem with formdata is that it's typically not the data type for the resource.
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