IRC log for #rest, 2015-03-26

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11:53	t_dot_zilla	thanks vanHoese_
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11:58	t_dot_zilla	is "pluralism" the recommended approach to the nouns? my database table names are singular
11:58	vanHoese_	it's common pracktice
11:59	vanHoese_	and a RST api SHOULD NOT reflect the internal data store
12:00	trygvis	I always use singluar, but it's not relevant as nobody sees the URLs anyway :)
12:01	t_dot_zilla	okay. thanks
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13:46	pdurbin	interesting: "You may want to keep in mind that if you kept everything as form fields then this endpoint could become the canonical file upload endpoint." https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse/issues/1612#issuecomment-86513844
13:55	trygvis	multipart is usually a pain to work with
14:04	pdurbin	"Yeah, multipart is critically broken across all implementations." http://www.mail-archive.com/sword-app-tech@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00327.html
14:04	pdurbin	trygvis: I gather it's not easy to work with. :)
14:06	trygvis	well, I wouldn't go that far :)
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14:14	pdurbin	someone else got it working: http://www.mail-archive.com/sword-app-tech@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00329.html
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19:29	t_dot_zilla	has anyone dev'd a RESTful server in php? I'm using slim framework. the code is going to quickly get out of control. just wondering how I can organize each "section" into separate files
19:35	asdf`	this seems more like a question for slim's channel? but yeah, i thinktypically you'll want the view/controller parts to be as generic as possible and do most of your work in describing the models
19:42	t_dot_zilla	What is common language (and framework) used to create REST servers?
19:52	fumanchu_	I can honestly say I've never built one except with Python ;)
19:54	t_dot_zilla	I feel like php will be slow unless I cache it
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20:25	asdf`	probably will, yeah, but what are your requirements? typically web stuff doesn't care about say 100ms latency
20:26	asdf`	also note that caching is a pretty big thing in rest, it's one of the reasons we talk about eg. idempotency
20:35	whartung	define "slow", what's your use case?
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20:56	pdurbin	t_dot_zilla: I'm using Jersey (JAX-RS) which is in Java.
20:56	t_dot_zilla	pdurbin: ah cool
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20:56	pdurbin	write it a few times in a few languages and tell us which is the best :)
20:56	t_dot_zilla	i just dont likehow php doesn't compile. but then i can use an opcode cache
20:56	t_dot_zilla	honestly... C
20:56	t_dot_zilla	if you want the fastest
20:57	t_dot_zilla	and most portable
20:57	t_dot_zilla	which i am thinking about... but if i did that, the program would need to be an HTTP server as well and im not trying to write the next apache or nginx
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20:58	t_dot_zilla	scripting languages are slow unless you opcode cache them
21:02	t_dot_zilla	http://www.w3.org/Library/
21:07	fumanchu_	I've found Python fast enough to not only write web apps in, but a web server (CherryPy) and even an analytic database (based on NumPy).
21:09	fumanchu_	and if some part isn't fast enough, you can easily code that bit in C
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21:30	whartung	script time can easily be crushed by db time
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21:55	vanHoese_	I usually take Dancer2 and add some REST plugins to make it more behave like a proper REST server, where needed --- yep, still in Perl, Modern Perl and extreme easy to build on top
22:12	pdurbin	nothing wrong with Perl
22:12	pdurbin	t_dot_zilla: are you considering Java?
22:13	vanHoese_	ofcourse there is nothing wrong with Perl :-) it's still pushing the web and Perl6 is at the rise
22:17	pdurbin	nowhere to go but up ;)
22:17	pdurbin	I kid. Perl 6 looks pretty neat.
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22:20	pdurbin	and it sounds fast on the JVM
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22:27	vanHoese_	come to the NLPW::2015 and here more about the latest improvements on Perl6... http://perlworkshop.nl
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22:28	whartung	I just can't pull the trigger on perl
22:29	whartung	used it years ago, was plagued by it's 3 month lifespan (i.e. after a couple months of writing something, I had little idea what it did when I went back to it).
22:29	whartung	and now, it's so foriegn.
22:29	whartung	but it's supposed to ahve some nice tools and frameworks
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22:30	vanHoese_	your fault, you shouldn't be that smart to write such a hocuspocus code in the first place, or comment it more - it does not need to be writ-only code
22:31	vanHoese_	i do refactor my own code to be less smart - so i do understand it lateron
22:33	whartung	of course it is, but, especially back in the day, it was idiomatic perl
22:34	vanHoese_	idiot-matic, to say :-D
22:34	whartung	even moreso
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