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foist |
If I make a POST request, and cancel it on my end before receiving the response, there's a chance that the server I sent the request to could still create the record, right? |
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ironChicken |
foist: what does cancelling a POST request mean? |
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foist |
ironChicken: I haven't received a response, and I kill the process that's waiting for one. Is this not a valid action? |
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ironChicken |
so it's something like client closes connection before sending complete request body? |
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foist |
No, before recieving the response body |
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ironChicken |
that's going to depend on how your http server works, and what it does |
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ironChicken |
if it executes some procedure that results in something getting stored somewhere, and the closure of a socket by a client doesn't have any impact on that procedure, then yes, you "record" will still get "created" |
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fumanchu_ |
all sane servers will go ahead and finish the processing of the POST. That's nearly always better than killing the handler and ending up with a half-created record, or worse. |
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Andre-B |
following the HATEOAS + HAL track right now and asking myself how I am supposed to inform the client about other available HTTP methods, such as POST, PUT, DELETE that might require additional query parameters. anything to read on this topic? |
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should those available methods be in the section from HAL? |
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pdurbin |
talios: you're our HAL guy |
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* talios |
looks up |
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talios |
what have I done wrong? |
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talios |
I wish we were _actually_ using HAL at work. we have I think - ONE resource thats been switched :( heh - damn competing priorities |
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talios |
whats up? |
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pdurbin |
"following the HATEOAS + HAL track right now and asking myself how I am supposed to inform the client about other available HTTP methods, such as POST, PUT, DELETE that might require additional query parameters. anything to read on this topic? should those available methods be in the section from HAL?" (from Andre-B) |
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talios |
ahh you're at a conference somewhere? |
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Andre-B |
ah nice, I am not alone :D |
| 23:26 |
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Andre-B |
no I wish I were |
| 23:27 |
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Andre-B |
just searched for conferences happening this year because I missed the api 360 summit.. |
| 23:27 |
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Andre-B |
but I have to build a REST api anyways, level 2 at all costs, investigating on level 3 now, which is probably the way to go |
| 23:28 |
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talios |
hmmm - thats one I'm struggling with myself. The HAL party line is "all thats documented in the documentation for the rel". which feels like a cop out. the client still needs to have knowledge of how to handle/follow a given rel/link, the discoverability is just about "can I do it in this state" really. |
| 23:28 |
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Andre-B |
hm-json and siren provide actions as far as I can tell now, that’s more than HAL provides (or I missed something there) |
| 23:28 |
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Andre-B |
hm-jason looks really nice |
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talios |
I actually prefer siren simply because it contains actions out of the box. |
| 23:29 |
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Andre-B |
siren seems to not have had much movement lately |
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talios |
hm-jason? don't think I know that one. |
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Andre-B |
*json |
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Andre-B |
hm-json |
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pdurbin |
Andre-B: mamund mentioned a conference recently |
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Andre-B |
there is something in US, but that’s just for a weekend, and is too far away / too expensive to visit from europe |
| 23:30 |
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Andre-B |
rest fest 2014 |
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Andre-B |
starts in two days, but flight is about 12-20 hours + >1k cost in flight tickets :D |
| 23:31 |
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talios |
pdurbin - I think, from what I've been reading/following etc. it almost makes sence to have rel's that are query specific. i.e. if ther query parameters might be uniqie, for say differnet operations maybe that should be different rels |
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talios |
Andre-B - try coming from New Zealand then :) |
| 23:32 |
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Andre-B |
maybe Ill meet someone in the API business on drupalcon next week - though they dont have anything in schedule around APIs right now |
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Andre-B |
but some companies/ people who went to api 360 are at the drupalcon as well |
| 23:32 |
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pdurbin |
lots of api stuff at javaone next week. i'm giving a talk but only barely about APIs |
| 23:33 |
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talios |
javaone's next week? wow - so little hype this year |
| 23:33 |
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fumanchu |
people still use java? |
| 23:34 |
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talios |
plenty |
| 23:35 |
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pdurbin |
the hipsters are using java again. so retro |
| 23:35 |
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talios |
or the JVM at least |
| 23:36 |
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talios |
more jvm languages than ever these days - I see Gosu just got a new release |
| 23:36 |
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talios |
no - golo I mean |
| 23:36 |
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talios |
http://golo-lang.org/news/2014/09/22/golo-1.1.0/ |
| 23:37 |
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Andre-B |
what about siren, is that still in use? |
| 23:39 |
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talios |
not sure - I guess those that use it, use it - all of these formats seem very limited use currently. HAL seems to be getting more awareless, JSON-LD - not sure on that one. |
| 23:39 |
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talios |
I wish a definitive answer on the death of HAL-XML would be made tho |
| 23:40 |
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Andre-B |
what’s wrong with HAL-XML? |
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Andre-B |
what do you think of uber hypermedia format? |
| 23:47 |
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Andre-B |
talios: |
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talios |
Andre-B - its largely been abandoned - ever since the IETFing of the JSON format. it's pretty much a second class citazen. |
| 23:48 |
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talios |
mm, havn't really looked at uber yet |
| 23:48 |
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Andre-B |
talios: would you recommend dropping xml support completely? |
| 23:49 |
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Andre-B |
from API responses? and only offer one format to consume? |
| 23:52 |
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talios |
Andre-B - i dunno, personally I think the XML syntax is way way more human readable - it's all the javascript weeners who can't deal with XML in the browser "as easily as they can JSON" ;p |
| 23:59 |
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Andre-B |
talios: does siren come with a field specification as well, something like date formatting, integers, etc? or can/ do I have to find that somewhere else as well? |
