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hey sfisque |
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stopz |
i won first price chess competition in inter school competition :) |
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myipwas_sued |
javaeebot: pdurbin |
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myipwas_sued: Error: "pdurbin" is not a valid command. |
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myipwas_sued |
? |
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myipwas_sued |
Where is Quest Sir ? |
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cem_ msged me while i was afk. did he get KBed? |
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neuro_sys |
Generic question: Should I pass an instance of the session object to each of the methods in the service layer that does some db interactions and business logic? |
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neuro_sys |
Because when a transaction is required, and if the method manages its own session, I can't do a transaction outside by calling several service methods which needs to be within a transaction. |
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sess |
neuro_sys: must your method manage its own session? |
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sess |
not sure if container managed transactions and manual ones can be combinedf hmm |
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neuro_sys |
There's no container managed transactions (which I don't know about) |
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reads up on it |
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neuro_sys |
http://nayidisha.com/techblog/angular-js-from-a-different-angle |
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neuro_sys |
I like this |
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Vivekananda_ |
is this right place to ask doubts on java ? |
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neuro_sys |
doubts on java? |
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neuro_sys |
sure |
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Vivekananda_ |
m from python base |
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yoyo_ |
konnichiwa sfisque |
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Vivekananda_ |
when should we go for spring ? |
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neuro_sys |
good question |
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neuro_sys |
let's discuss Spring, and why it's been so widespread and popular |
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Vivekananda_ |
the javaee 7 do have dependency injection |
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Vivekananda_ |
neuro_sys: ? |
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Vivekananda_ |
does spring has other uses? |
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pdurbin |
isn't Java EE simply standardizing (bit by bit) stuff that Spring had years ago? |
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yoyo_ |
k like to ask where to look for ,class file of jsp |
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yoyo_ |
.class file |
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Vivekananda_ |
so we dont require spring ? |
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pdurbin |
Vivekananda_: I would try using the standard first (Java EE) and see if it does enough of what you need |
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pdurbin |
of course, this isn't #spring ... ;) |
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Vivekananda_ |
pdurbin: but the board fast in replying |
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yoyo_ |
can anyone see me ???? |
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pdurbin |
yoyo_: look everywhere for it |
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yoyo_ |
pdurbin: im searching for .class file in the server after deploy still didnt get :( |
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yoyo_ |
basically it will have tmp file has sfisque said the other day (correct) looking under temp but no .class file :( |
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yoyo_ |
what type of project can i do using servlet and jsp ? |
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Vivekananda_ |
k ll stick with standard pdurbin |
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yoyo_ |
k why um not gettin reply ? ;( |
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Vivekananda_ |
yoyo_: you cant do much with those technology am i wrong ? |
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yoyo_ |
are you joking dude |
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Vivekananda_ |
yoyo_: sorry might be wrong |
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Vivekananda_ |
pdurbin you can guide him |
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yoyo_ |
wow ! what did say wrong ?! |
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yoyo_ |
i* |
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yoyo_ |
hi Naros |
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Naros |
hello |
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sfisque |
why spring? that question has plagued me for some time. the only conceptual answer i can think of is, people would rather reinvent the square wheel rather than RTFM and leverage a fully vetted platform. too many novice devs think they can do it better, and they end up boat-anchoring projects with that misguided mentality |
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sess |
only reason i found to use spring over java EE is spring MVC |
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sess |
the rest is pretty much identical |
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sess |
and wanting to run on a lighter container of course |
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neuro_sys |
so basically Spring MVC over JSF? |
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neuro_sys |
never checked MVC |
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sfisque |
it's basically struts without the advantage of tiles |
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sfisque |
well, struts 2, not 1 |
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sfisque |
very different beasts |
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Naros |
that they are :P |
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Naros |
ugh hated s1 |
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sfisque |
s1 was fine if you used t1 with it. without t1, s1 is insanity |
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Naros |
hehe i just disliked the whole ActionForm concept. |
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sfisque |
yah. i disliked the forced inheritence chain as well |
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Naros |
s2 far more decoupled |
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sfisque |
they should have used a delegate model rather than inheritence model in s1 |
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sfisque |
implement this interface and config in xml…. and… done |
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sfisque |
forcing subclasses kill integration with third party stuff |
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Naros |
yah |
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ponders what S3 will be like. |
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sess |
neuro_sys: not necessarily, I meant rather that if you want to use Spring MVC, there are some small gains in using Spring core backend aswell |
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sess |
Basicly, I choose MVC framework, then pick DI/transaction management system from that |
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sess |
spring mvc -> spring |
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sess |
jsf -> EJB |
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sess |
because the web parts are where the frameworks differ the most |
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sfisque |
s/jsf/any framework that is not springMVC/ |
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sfisque |
you can easily drop S2/T2, velocity, JSP, or whatever on top of EE without much bloat or redundancy |
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sfisque |
from what i've seen the real decider isn't web framework, but container. orgs that are "EE phobic" will go TC + spring. ive only seen spring + EE container when most of the team is offshored |
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sfisque |
i can only guess that outside of the U.S. no one has even heard of the EE spec, regardless of the fact that it's over 14 years old |
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sfisque |
^^^ that was tongue in cheek since flat text does not convey voice inflection |
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yoyo_ |
any advise for the project ? |
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yoyo_ |
S2/T2 ? |
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yoyo_ |
Naros |
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Naros |
Depends on your needs yoyo_ |
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Naros |
Do you want to use a controller/action framework or something more like JSF |
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yoyo_ |
Naros: i have know Servlet and Jsp learning Hibernate ,Struts 2 |
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yoyo_ |
will be completed by tomo |
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yoyo_ |
but what type of project should i choose |
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yoyo_ |
dont know |
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Naros |
Well a framework like Struts2 encapsulates a lot of the HttpServletRequest/HttpServletResponse/ServletContext from you. |
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Naros |
you basically work with what is called an Action |
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Naros |
a series of interceptors intercept the http servlet request, prepares stuff on your action for you so you focus on your application's needs. |
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Naros |
then these interceptors unwind and prepare the http servlet response |
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yoyo_ |
Naros: i building a form using framework as a project , is it a good choice for beginners ? |
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Naros |
Some would argue no because you arent learning the basics. :) |
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Naros |
Do it using the Servlet API manually |
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Naros |
But if you dont care to understand the Servlet API --- then sure. |
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Naros |
You can get a struts2 app up and going in less than 10 minutes. |
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yoyo_ |
naming it as javaee form :) |
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Naros |
Struts2 has nothing to do with JavaEE :P |
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Naros |
As for tiles. We still use Tiles 2.2.x but I know that Tiles 3 has been released but I dont recall if its in GA release or still Beta. |
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yoyo_ |
u made a spelling mistake , Building a javaee forum |
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yoyo_ |
i* |
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yoyo_ |
learning English sorry* |
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Naros |
Ah; I gotcha. |
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Naros |
Struts2 would be perfectly acceptable for that. |
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yoyo_ |
just for this channel :) |
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Naros |
I know for a fact that corporations like Verizon Wireless use Struts2 for their customer facing & Bank of America use it for online banking :P |
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yoyo_ |
this time going to follow www.google.com/santatracker/#/village |
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