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whartung |
Apparenlty Jersey in GF3 doesn't like @EJB notations being injected |
| 01:01 |
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sfisque |
are jersey beans managed? |
| 01:02 |
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whartung |
no, in fact the REST stuff doesn't even use the CDI injected stuff |
| 01:03 |
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whartung |
but the Jersey runtime sees them anyway, and, boom -- kittens everywhere |
| 01:03 |
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sfisque |
how could it. it's in the servlet container, not the ee container |
| 01:03 |
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whartung |
actually, nothing everywhere -- it eats the exception and fails silently |
| 01:03 |
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sfisque |
servlets dont inject ejb.s so how could rest endpoints |
| 01:03 |
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whartung |
this is all in a war |
| 01:03 |
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sfisque |
dont matter |
| 01:03 |
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whartung |
of course they can |
| 01:03 |
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whartung |
you can put @EJB in a servlet |
| 01:05 |
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sfisque |
ah, 3.0 addition |
| 01:05 |
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sfisque |
i was going to say, when did they add that. apparently 3.0 |
| 01:05 |
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whartung |
they were there in 2.2 -- JEE 5 could inject @EJB in servlets, since they're managed objects |
| 01:06 |
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sfisque |
since when? they have different threading models |
| 01:07 |
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sfisque |
servlets are completely contextless, you have no guarantee if a servlet instance is pooled or per request |
| 01:07 |
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sfisque |
or even shared |
| 01:07 |
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whartung |
no reason you can' inject a stateless EJB, and they have some other mechanism for stateful |
| 01:07 |
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whartung |
(even I barely have a grasp on stateful, frankly, neve ruse them) |
| 01:08 |
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sfisque |
i recall servlets not having injection in earlier versions of jboss 4.x and i think 5.0 didnt have it either |
| 01:10 |
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whartung |
nonetheless, in my case, the @EJB is in a normal bean, not even a servlet. |
| 01:11 |
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sfisque |
that will never work then |
| 01:11 |
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sfisque |
J N D I |
| 01:11 |
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whartung |
it DOES(did) work when the normal bean is @Injected |
| 01:11 |
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whartung |
it was great. |
| 01:12 |
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sfisque |
oh, so you're getting the management by having it promoted to a managed bean by injecting it. you have to be careful with that. there are rules on what types of objects can be promoted from pojo to "named" without explicitly naming it |
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whartung |
like what |
| 01:13 |
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cem_ |
konnichiwa sfisque |
| 01:14 |
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sfisque |
i do not remember specifics, but i remember there are explicit rules that govern injecting an "unnamed" object type |
| 01:15 |
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* sfisque |
waves to cem_ |
| 01:15 |
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whartung |
I think I'll quit and go learn ruby |
| 01:16 |
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sfisque |
lolz |
| 01:17 |
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sfisque |
as for SFSBs, yeah, they're kind of niche now, with scoped CDI now. you can hold session stuff in a session scoped named bean and just inject a SLSB for the TX support when needed |
| 01:19 |
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sfisque |
SFSBs are primarily still important when you need a strong lifecycle that spans sessions or container outages (SFSBs get auto serialized when passivated) |
| 01:20 |
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cem_ |
woooo EJB! |
| 01:20 |
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* cem_ |
hides |
| 01:21 |
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sfisque |
\o/ |
| 01:21 |
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sfisque |
ejb pays my bills :-D |
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cem_ |
sfisque: did u get the ping ? |
| 01:47 |
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sfisque |
i did, but please do not use this channel for debugging your code |
| 01:48 |
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cem_ |
i was not debugging |
| 01:48 |
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sfisque |
if you're asking me if i got the ping, you're debugging |
| 01:49 |
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cem_ |
if i need can create my own channel :P |
| 01:49 |
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cem_ |
sfisque: thats a wrong logic |
| 01:50 |
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cem_ |
if i ask did u get pm or email that doesn mean i was debugging |
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sfisque |
if you're asking, it means you are unsure of the outcome… aka.. debugging |
| 02:04 |
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sfisque |
if you want to be pedantic, we can say you were unit testing, which is still not something to do in this channel |
| 02:08 |
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cem_ |
lol thats soooooooo unlogical |
| 02:08 |
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cem_ |
its way of asking you never replied back |
| 02:10 |
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cem_ |
yep in internet am unsure of the outcome since it depends on lot of factors :/ |
| 02:12 |
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sfisque |
it's tcp/ip. you know what the outcome is. you either get a clean TX, an error condition, or a timeout. it's a pretty definite protocol. as for the upper layers, you still have error states and timeouts being reported. the only variable is the top level code of your app. if there is uncertainty, you are either still testing or still debugging |
| 02:14 |
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cem_ |
lol ! again what if you dont get error status that has happened many times to me in freenode |
| 02:31 |
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sfisque |
that does raise a question. what is involved with creating a channel on freenode |
| 02:34 |
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cem_ |
sfisque: lets get back to my question!! |
| 02:34 |
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cem_ |
pm me |
| 02:37 |
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cem_ |
:( |
| 02:49 |
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cem_ |
thats it |
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cem_ |
sfisque |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: it's not hard: http://crimsonfu.github.io/2012/02/06/crimsonfu-freenode-irc-channel-setup.html |
| 03:23 |
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sfisque |
yeah i already setup ##crossroads to do testing/debugging |
| 03:23 |
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pdurbin |
+1 |
| 03:24 |
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sfisque |
http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#topicalchannels |
| 03:27 |
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sfisque |
so i've been thinking. doing JMS over the cloud might be iffy (content switches, firewall rules, etc.) so i'm thinking i might do JMS internally on the node, and node <-> node will be some form of web endpoint that will proxy the jms T/Q's |
| 03:31 |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: is it more cloudy to use... um... zeromq? (is that still a thing?) or amqp? |
| 04:09 |
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sfisque |
the issue is you're talking about stuff transported on a port id that might get filtered or dropped over the public or semi private cloud. port 80 and 8080 are generally wide open excepting content sniffing |
| 04:10 |
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sfisque |
if jms were a ubiquitous "external standard" i'd go vanilla jms + encrypted payload. but jms is pretty much an internal ESB protocol |
| 04:11 |
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sfisque |
sort of like exposing REST vs. public JDBC |
| 04:12 |
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sfisque |
no one puts their db on the edge anymore. it |
| 04:12 |
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sfisque |
it's back end and edge systems talk to it as proxies or agents |
| 04:13 |
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sfisque |
so i'm thinking i'll maintain that paradigm and use jms internally as an asynch PS T/Q system (since any EE container will provide it off teh shelf) and use something generic (REST/SOAP/json-web/whatever) |
| 04:13 |
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sfisque |
for node-to-node over the public cloud |
| 04:16 |
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sfisque |
so it would look something like this: |
| 04:18 |
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sfisque |
web UI -> pub event -> push to db / jms / ldap / etc. -> MDB intercepts pushes out over web protocol to subscribers —————————> subscriber web endpoint receives -> pushes to jms -> MDB intercepts, pushes to db / ldap / etc. |
| 04:19 |
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sfisque |
the long arrow is node -> node, so potentially over a very tenuous public cloud connection |
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neuro_sys |
morning |
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neuro_sys |
to the eurozone |
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acuzio |
morning from the eurozone |
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acuzio |
Quest: Is that really you ? Is that your resume ? |
| 11:55 |
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Quest |
its a guy in my x-company |
| 11:55 |
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Quest |
and its just all tease me by different things. |
| 11:56 |
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* Quest |
gets busy |
| 11:56 |
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neuro_sys |
iText amazes me, goddamn Pdfpcell |
| 11:58 |
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acuzio |
Quest: But the CV says - "JavaEE admin" - isnt that you ? |
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Emily[w] |
ermagerd |
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Quest |
acuzio yes. he is admin here |
| 12:09 |
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Quest |
acuzio do a /msg chanserv flags ##Javaee , iam not admin here |
| 12:10 |
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Quest |
iam just an operator |
| 12:10 |
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Quest |
though I and neuro own the channel |
| 12:10 |
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Quest |
any way. got to go |
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acuzio |
Operator is the same as Admin you should know that |
| 12:43 |
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Quest |
acuzio operator is +o or +O admin is flag +F or +f . I call my self just an operator. I dont have +f right now. I just manage the channel because of interest. |
| 12:43 |
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Quest |
and I should not have to explaint he flags and channel internals if the stats are not visible to you by your self. |
| 12:44 |
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Quest |
you should know that |
| 12:45 |
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acuzio |
Quest: So you are not Masood Ahmad then ? |
| 12:45 |
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Quest |
I dont have +F right now. * |
| 12:45 |
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Quest |
does it matter? |
| 12:45 |
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acuzio |
Yes it does |
| 12:45 |
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Quest |
why? |
| 12:45 |
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acuzio |
Cause if you are not then people are making fun of someone who doesnt deserve it and Masood is owed an apology |
| 12:46 |
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Quest |
they will make fun in either case. so I dont care |
| 12:46 |
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Quest |
and I think Masood Ahmad also dont deserve to be made fun of |
| 12:46 |
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Quest |
its nothing bad in his CV |
| 12:46 |
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acuzio |
Nope they only make fun of Masood cause they think you are Masood |
| 12:47 |
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Quest |
they will make fun in either case. so I dont care |
| 12:47 |
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acuzio |
Nope they only make fun of Masood cause they think you are Masood |
| 12:47 |
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Quest |
they will make fun of *me* in either case. so I dont care |
| 12:47 |
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Quest |
they would find another way. |
| 12:47 |
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Quest |
can we stick to Java and Java EE ? |
| 12:48 |
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acuzio |
They will make fun of you for sure but not of Masood |
| 12:48 |
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acuzio |
If you are not Masood |
| 12:48 |
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Quest |
yes. thats what i said |
| 12:48 |
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acuzio |
If you are not Masood then Masood deserves an apology |
| 12:48 |
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Quest |
I can NOT waste further time on either Masood or the strategy of their's for making fun |
| 12:49 |
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acuzio |
Thats cause you are not Masood |
| 12:49 |
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acuzio |
So its fine |
| 12:49 |
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Quest |
acuzio sure you can email Masood for an apology if you want :) |
| 12:49 |
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acuzio |
Not me - i have done nothing |
| 12:49 |
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acuzio |
I am just curious |
| 12:49 |
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Quest |
I can see |
| 12:49 |
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acuzio |
Masood does have a stupid CV though |
| 12:50 |
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Quest |
like? |
| 12:50 |
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acuzio |
I dont know where to start |
| 12:50 |
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neuro_sys |
stil have the link to the CV? |
| 12:50 |
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neuro_sys |
CVs are fun |
| 12:51 |
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acuzio |
The formatting is wrong, there are spelling mistakes, no one puts their photo in there (especially if you look like that), the colouring is all wrong |
| 12:51 |
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acuzio |
neuro_sys: http://masoodahmad.com/resume/ |
| 12:51 |
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neuro_sys |
trippy |
| 12:51 |
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acuzio |
Who puts their Father's name and their phone number in there |
| 12:52 |
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neuro_sys |
mother's maiden name is missing |
| 12:52 |
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neuro_sys |
a must |
| 12:52 |
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acuzio |
neuro_sys: LOL |
| 12:54 |
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acuzio |
I suspect Quest protests too much |
| 12:56 |
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neuro_sys |
you seem to have a lot of free time to pick on people :p |
| 12:57 |
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acuzio |
neuro_sys: yes |
| 12:57 |
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neuro_sys |
I like the part "developed and designed by me" |
| 12:57 |
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acuzio |
I love it |
| 12:58 |
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acuzio |
neuro_sys: re - time - it Xmas time, all bonuses are paid - so no one wants to do anything so its all quiet on the Western Front , we cant touch Prod either so its all good |
| 12:58 |
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acuzio |
I am only entertaining myself |
| 12:59 |
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neuro_sys |
It's busy here to go prod before Xmas in time. No bonuses whatsoever ever gets paid here. :< |
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acuzio |
:-) |
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pdurbin |
acuzio: please stop bullying Quest |
| 14:02 |
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acuzio |
pdurbin: i am not bullying him |
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EM |
hi |
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Naros |
hello |
| 14:43 |
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EM |
k why was i blocked |
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Naros |
Unfortunately, I do not know. |
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EM |
hi Emily[w] |
| 14:47 |
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Emily[w] |
hi cem_soccer |
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cem_soccer |
whats up Emily? are you new to IRC ? |
| 14:50 |
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Naros |
anyone here have much experience with Spring? I've got a bean issue that for the life of me I cannot seem to understand. |
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Emily[w] |
cem_soccer: nope |
| 15:00 |
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cem_soccer |
just sawed the IRC log its great is that Quest san ? |
| 15:01 |
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* cem_soccer |
learning English |
| 15:03 |
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cem_soccer |
K i have merged 2 image and dont know how to get the 2 image back using java |
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cem_soccer |
can anyone help me out ? |
| 15:05 |
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cem_soccer |
Naros ? |
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cem_soccer |
sfisque ? |
| 15:11 |
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cem_soccer |
and thanks for the link neuro_sys |
| 15:11 |
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cem_soccer |
or acuzio |
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Emily[w] |
cem_soccer: merged how? |
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cem_soccer |
i have put the contents of 1 file to another |
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Emily[w] |
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Emily[w] |
you'd have to explain more |
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cem_soccer |
Emily[w] what you want to know |
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cem_soccer |
since your asking question |
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Emily[w] |
putting the contents of one file into another has little meaning. Did you overwrite the file or append to it? |
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cem_soccer |
append |
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Emily[w] |
then you just read the contents of the file with the offset being the length of the original file |
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cem_soccer |
to say precisly its overlayed 1 on another |
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cem_soccer |
precisely* |
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cem_soccer |
k after googling for 5 hours just stumbled upon it |
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cem_soccer |
thanks guys |
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jieryn |
is there a way i can get a @Resource(type=String) which can be defined via System Property OR container Context OR default value ? |
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pdurbin |
helpful: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4823216/jsf-2-0-form-using-get/4823289#4823289 |
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cem_ |
Active user of technical chat channels in IRC. Channel ##JavaEE admin ? |
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cem_ |
he must have mentioned freenode |
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cem_ |
he is awesome ! |
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Sircle |
acuzio: Hello |
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acuzio |
Sircle: hello |
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Sircle |
My name is Masood Ahmad and the said resume link several times in Java related channels is mine. I used to be a co-worker with Mr. Quest. |
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acuzio |
A twist in the tale eh |
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acuzio |
Wow |
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acuzio |
so you are the famous Masood Ahmad and Mr.Quest is a different entity |
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cem___ |
Sircle was admin :( |
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cem___ |
i like your projects Sircle |
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sfisque |
general irc op question. is tehre a way to signal to chanserv to auto op me in a channel i own or do i have to script it on my side or use a bot? |
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cem___ |
Sircle: is this a project ?(the student project) more like hello world ? |
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cem___ |
but rest is nice :) |
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* cem___ |
most of thing i didnt understand :P sorry Sircle |
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cem___ |
although you do only in java :/ |
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semiosis |
sfisque: chanserv is not standard irc service, it's a freenode thing. see http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml for info |
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semiosis |
sfisque: from that link, "We strongly suggest that you avoid configuring your channel to "auto-op". Use the chanserv "op" command to obtain channel operator status only when needed." |
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sfisque |
aye. i guess i can script it into my client then. i was hoping to make it more centralized and fault tolerant |
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semiosis |
sfisque: why do you want to always have ops? isn't it enough to just op yourself when you need to do op things? |
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semiosis |
thats what most people do |
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sfisque |
my feeling is, if i need to op, it's something that needs to be handled asap, aka someone's being a tool and needs to be KBed. having to type preflight commands to make that happen could prevent it from happening timely. |
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sfisque |
it's not that i 'need' it. i'm just looking for "convenience" |
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sfisque |
<—— lazy, in the "larry wall" kind of way. i want the machine to do all the work |
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semiosis |
in #gluster we have glusterbot who has op from chanserv, then a select few of us can tell the bot to kick people |
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semiosis |
super lazy :) |
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sfisque |
nifty |
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