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acuzio |
hey Naros |
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Naros |
sup |
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acuzio |
Our man has been missing in action |
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Naros |
who, Quest? |
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acuzio |
Ja |
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Naros |
Yah, perhaps on vacation due to holidays. I'm not so versed in various culture's traditions when it comes to this time of year. |
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acuzio |
naah - no hols there |
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Naros |
Ah; I know I'm typically off around 2-3 weeks this time of year easily. |
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acuzio |
Same here - i am off from 23rd |
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acuzio |
And its pretty slow anyway |
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Naros |
Yah I'm bailing around the 15th and wont be back til around the 10th :P |
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acuzio |
You are in ? |
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Naros |
I'm in the states. |
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Naros |
But I've been at my job for quite a while. Have almost 5 weeks of vacation a year now :P |
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acuzio |
Impressive |
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acuzio |
I have to take 2 weeks but i am a contractor - so it works differently |
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Naros |
yah, i negotiated when i got hired for more vacation time plus being a FT employee, has it's perks :) |
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acuzio |
Yeah , i am surprised they are firms in the States that do 5 weeks - i have never heard of em - mind you my experience is limited to Fin Orgs |
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Naros |
hehe, i have a few friends at IBM who have almost 8 weeks of vacation/year. |
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acuzio |
Ah consulting |
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Naros |
but they've been there for like 30 years or something |
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Naros |
Nope, perm employees |
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Naros |
They are account managers, or at least were last time I talked with them |
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Naros |
been a while since we broke off our partnership with them back in 04 |
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acuzio |
I mean IBM makes its money via Consulting Services and Service Managers, Business Rep, SDM , et all have a cushty enough role - |
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Naros |
Yep |
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acuzio |
After a while - these folks are fossils but they cant be moved cause the business relationships formed are via these guys |
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Naros |
yep and those relationships are cornerstone to their growth |
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acuzio |
Growth or recurring revenue - mostly its the latter |
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acuzio |
I know guys who have been with the same client for ~ 12 years or so - they know more about the client than the client themselves ., its incredible the leeway these guys have |
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acuzio |
They dont learn or contribute anything material but they know how the Client Organisation works - Its a huge huge advantage .. for them |
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Naros |
hehe, yah that's what i meant. |
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acuzio |
For the rest its a net loss |
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Naros |
I remember back in the day, we had some issue with our hosting with them. Our account rep got it and she literally battled their internal teams for days before they realized their mistake. We hardly had to do anything but just continue working and moving forward. |
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Naros |
She'd catch mistakes made, have them fixed and inform us after-the-fact so we at least were in know but never had to pickup the phone. |
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Naros |
All because she knew what our business needs were and how things ran and needed to be conducted as you said. |
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acuzio |
I have had bad experience with all of these types - mainly cause i find them to be bottle necks - they do not delegate, they hoard information ; thats their currency |
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sfisque |
yay, application processed. latticeware.com OID == 1.3.6.1.4.1.42910 |
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pdurbin |
+1 |
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whartung |
\o/ |
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whartung |
sfisque: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7aIf1YnbbU |
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sfisque |
lol whartung! |
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whartung |
:) |
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sfisque |
things are going to start happening to me… NOW!! |
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whartung |
Just it time! |
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whartung |
when's your last day? |
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sfisque |
20th. was going to be the 3rd, but got a stay of execution because "people freaked out" |
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whartung |
yea |
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sfisque |
i'm hoping i get another small extension to hold over past the holiday. january would be a better time to look for a job than right now |
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whartung |
you gonna hang out here after that or are you off surfing or whatever it is you do with free time. |
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semiosis |
https://www.latticeware.com/ invalid cert? |
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semiosis |
self signed? |
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sfisque |
lolz. very cold here. probably spend time with the family and just (self signed cert, semi) |
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sfisque |
hang low while inteviewing |
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sfisque |
well not self signed. signed by CACert.org |
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sfisque |
but pretty much equivalent since cacert isnt a "trusted" entity |
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sfisque |
they are "working" on getting "trusted" status with browsers |
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semiosis |
uh huh |
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semiosis |
meanwhile anyone can buy an ssl cert for $10 or less |
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sfisque |
from whom? when i priced around it was spendy |
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semiosis |
https://www.namecheap.com/ssl-certificates.aspx |
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semiosis |
for one |
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sfisque |
are they "trusted" as far as browsers are concerned? |
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semiosis |
yes |
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sfisque |
hrm, comodo, 8/year |
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* sfisque |
will investigate further |
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semiosis |
i'm sure there's some reason digicert etc cost >10x that, but haven't really looked into it |
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sfisque |
i would guess has to do with level of security around their infrastructure. cacert failed on that. not enough checks in place to prevent cert fraud |
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whartung |
but somehow name cheap can do it for less... |
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semiosis |
as we've seen recently, doesnt matter how hard it is to forge a cert from your favorite CA, what matters is how easy it is to forge a cert from any of the 100s of other CAs |
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sfisque |
it looks like they just broker. probably economy of scale |
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sfisque |
from comodo directly, 65 / year |
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sfisque |
they probably have an SLA (sell this much, we give you X discount) |
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sfisque |
anywho, yeah, i will eventually need to get a commercial grade cert, for no other reason than to get rid of the "browser warning" |
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sfisque |
i wonder if netsol offers discounted certs. they're my domain registrar |
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* sfisque |
starts surfing netsol site |
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sfisque |
hrm 50/year with netsol |
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sfisque |
:-. |
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sfisque |
:-/ |
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sfisque |
been a customer there for over a decade. will have to call them and see if they can make a better deal for a long time customer |
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sfisque |
anyway, afk for a bit. code strong! |
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semiosis |
and if that doesnt work, tell them what namecheap is offering lol |
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sfisque |
rofl |
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