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scripty |
howdy |
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scripty |
????????? |
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sfisque |
greets |
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scripty |
how to get halfOp |
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scripty |
here |
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Quest |
perform well, you get what you deserve |
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pdurbin |
how can you get a list of nicks that can become an operator in this channel? |
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scripty |
I cant believe most of my work are Crappy :( |
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scripty |
Worst Coder :( |
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pdurbin |
nobody knows? I did google for it. not immediately clear how to get a list of who can op for a particular channel on freenode |
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pdurbin |
or maybe it's supposed to be a secret? |
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scripty |
huh ? |
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acuzio |
pdurbin: the command for the list of ops depends on the irc client - each one has its own |
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acuzio |
pdurbin: just that tjsnell can be an Op anywhere on Freenode |
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pdurbin |
acuzio: hmm, ok. I use weechat. And you think it'll show who *can* op not just who the current ops are (which I can always see in the sidebar) |
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pdurbin |
this is what I wanted: /msg ChanServ access ##javaee list |
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pdurbin |
"The access list specifies which users are allowed chanop status or access to ChanServ commands on the channel." -- http://www.soundsnwaves.net/cgi-bin/content/cgi/pm.cgi?action=show&temp=chanserv |
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neuro_sys |
-ChanServ(ChanServ services.)- Added template pdurbin with flags +A in ##javaee. |
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neuro_sys |
What else do you need? |
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neuro_sys |
ah wrong command |
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neuro_sys |
hah |
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neuro_sys |
hold on |
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SoniEx2 |
neuro_sys: eh... I think you may be doing something wrong... it's /chanserv flags ##javaee *!*@* +A |
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SoniEx2 |
I mean I think that's the command |
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neuro_sys |
Flags +A were set on *!*@* in ##javaee. |
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neuro_sys |
alright try it out |
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SoniEx2 |
yeah I can see the flags... |
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Quest |
how do usually, the file sharing/transfer is made in applications like skype, whatsapp etc. the user sends the file by normal buffered byte stream to server and the server sends the stream to the other end? (ignoring that some skype servers first try to make direct connection between clients. we can ignore it for now.) but the concept is same for all types of files like audio, video, image and docs? buffered byte stream? |
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neuro_sys |
that it's being buffered is irrelevant, it's only an optimization on the clients. It's about internal buffering/caching. |
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neuro_sys |
But I believe there's more to file transfer than simply sending a stream of bytes, as in chunking, opening multiple sockets etc. |
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neuro_sys |
I hear a lot about rsync that which people look into as an example |
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neuro_sys |
wow my english is broken today |
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neuro_sys |
remote file transmission gotta be utilizing compression, crc, chunking, diff deltas and a bunch of other stuff I imagine |
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neuro_sys |
you can always open a socket, and dump the whole byte stream though. |
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* scripty_ |
emacs is soooo sexy why i didnt use in Corp :( |
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neuro_sys |
Oh, and obviously you need a custom protocol to do any kind of file transmission. |
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neuro_sys |
unless it's a totaly dummy file sharing app, in which case you can use telnet/netcat and pipes instead. |
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Quest |
hm |
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Quest |
its not dummy |
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Quest |
neuro_sys, some one said. dreamreal> Quest: no, unbuffered bytestreams, far less ram usage |
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neuro_sys |
oh right, buffered byte stream would take the whole file into heap |
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neuro_sys |
not a good idea |
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Quest |
so non-buffered |
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neuro_sys |
got to write it to disk in small buffered chunks is better probably |
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neuro_sys |
but you can optimize things later |
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Quest |
k |
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Quest |
hm |
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Quest |
neuro_sys, sockets and streams then are the options with a custom like protocol |
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neuro_sys |
yeah, pretty much |
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neuro_sys |
open a socket, handshake with the sender/receiver via your protocol |
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Quest |
hm |
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neuro_sys |
and dump the bytes as part of your protocol scheme I think |
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Quest |
each file would be transfered by same way? irrespective of its type as image, doc, video etc |
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Quest |
user uploads file to server, the other client downloads it from server |
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neuro_sys |
yeah, it's a bit stream |
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neuro_sys |
the only distinction I remember is that of ascii vs. binary in FTP protocol |
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Quest |
neuro_sys, no special treatments? like i remember that i had to do some "multi part" thing while i uploaded images |
| 12:53 |
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neuro_sys |
multi part is an HTTP spec, so unless you're using HTTP, you don't need it |
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neuro_sys |
(not an expert on this, only speculating) |
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neuro_sys |
you can improve your protocol with additional data as per file that you're transferring to provide features such as continuing from where left off and stuff I guess |
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Quest |
neuro_sys, ok. just for info (I wont use HTTP as it adds additional layer than simple sockets). in HTTP every file type needs special treatment? like multipart for image and some else for video and so on? |
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neuro_sys |
also sorry for the english |
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Quest |
its better than mine |
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Quest |
and your speculation is correct |
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neuro_sys |
sorry, brb |
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Fubar^ |
A buffered stream doesn't keep the whole file in the heap. Why would anyone think that? |
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Quest |
last comment. its wise to make the 2 clients transfer file directly without involving the server too much? that will include firewall and ping checking, etc |
| 12:57 |
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Quest |
Fubar^, it wouuld make some part in the ram. and if theres too much file transfers. problem for server. |
| 12:57 |
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Fubar^ |
Yes, you have a buffer. But even a small buffer would make for a big performance gain |
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Quest |
Fubar^, hm.. |
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Quest |
<dreamreal> Quest: no, unbuffered bytestreams, far less ram usage |
| 12:58 |
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Quest |
<dreamreal> much better for high load systems |
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Quest |
<dreamreal> everyone else: shhh |
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Quest |
Fubar^, you can discuss that in ##java with him. I would be interested if you are interested |
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Quest |
I mean, if you do. |
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Quest |
Fubar^, so the performance gain is more than the ram usage problem. |
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Quest |
I hope it wont use too much ram if many transfers are there in one time. I would make a small global byte[] for all streams then. sensable? |
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Fubar^ |
You can't share a buffer between streams |
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Quest |
share? |
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Quest |
ya ya. sure. i meant byte [] bArray = (someConstant) |
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Quest |
i meant small global byte[] == constant |
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Quest |
the size i meant. |
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Quest |
small and changeable for all the application |
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Quest |
just a thought |
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Fubar^ |
If you get such a huge amount of simultaneous transfers that the amount of heap used for buffers is to big, you should probably do a p2p solution |
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Quest |
Fubar^, for the buffer thing |
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Quest |
the OS already includes a buffer for network traffic |
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neuro_sys |
unless you flush it, it'll grow big |
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Fubar^ |
And if you use a buffered stream or write byte[]-buffers to an unbuffered stream is essentially the same thing |
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Fubar^ |
neuro_sys: the buffer size is fixed |
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neuro_sys |
sorry, yes |
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Quest |
its the user that fixes the size for each transfer |
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Quest |
? |
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Quest |
brb in some hours |
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Quest |
thx for discussing |
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acuzio |
any ops here ? |
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Naros_ |
Whats up acuzio? |
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acuzio |
Naros: you are not on ##java are you ? |
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Naros |
Generally, no. |
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Naros |
I lurk here and in the hibernate and game development channels mostly. |
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acuzio |
Ok |
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Naros |
Did you need something specific acuzio/ |
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acuzio |
Was just wondering if tjsnell is banned from here ? |
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Naros |
I know I hadn't banned him, I just removed the bans he inappropriately placed on people in this channel. Let me check. |
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acuzio |
he banned a few is it ? |
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Naros |
I don't see anything that resembles tj |
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Naros |
Yep, he applied two bans before he kicked sess and Quest and left the channel yesterday. |
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acuzio |
waz? |
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Naros |
Yah |
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Naros |
Which imo is inappropriate and childish behavior. |
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acuzio |
come on then - what was the story ? |
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Naros |
That's like having a kid get angry and throw something across the room just cause. It solves nothing :P |
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acuzio |
but Quest has banned like a dozen people or so - hasnt he ? |
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Naros |
Others had a differing opinion from his own and he took it personal. |
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Naros |
afaik, Quest created the channel and thus imo can ban who he pleases :P |
| 13:40 |
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Naros |
In either case, as I said I see nothing that indicates tj is banned from here. |
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Naros |
That isn't to say someone else hadn't banned him before I jumped on and removed the ban. |
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acuzio |
hmmm ok |
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* scripty_ |
I cant believe i started a war on FP vs OO |
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* scripty_ |
:D |
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Naros |
hehe |
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Naros |
seen that war multiple times :P |
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acuzio |
it comes from a fundamental deficiency of grey cells among the participants |
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* scripty |
this is the first channel who gave OP for a noob |
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* scripty |
i like this professional free talk :P |
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acuzio |
scripty: what ? |
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neuro_sys |
lol |
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scripty |
acuzio ?? |
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* scripty |
is away: I'm busy |
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* scripty |
is away: I'm busy |
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* sfisque |
looks around the room to see why the accoustics are producing an echo |
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scripty |
lol |
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scripty |
need to change settings :P |
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scripty |
1 sec |
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scripty |
changed |
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radditz |
hello |
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radditz |
I was banned from #java, I wish to get unbanned |
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radditz |
can someone assist me? |
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acuzio |
radditz: ask tjsnell ? |
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radditz |
acuzio: he no longer responds to me |
| 15:10 |
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radditz |
he was the one that unjustly banned me |
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SoniEx2 |
radditz: don't go on ##java |
| 15:11 |
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SoniEx2 |
just don't |
| 15:12 |
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radditz |
SoniEx2: and where should I go then? |
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acuzio |
radditz: or that ^^ |
| 15:12 |
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acuzio |
this channel |
| 15:12 |
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radditz |
less people |
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SoniEx2 |
#gaygeeks |
| 15:12 |
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SoniEx2 |
:3 |
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radditz |
is anyone here capable of unbanning me? |
| 15:14 |
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acuzio |
the only person who can is tjsnell |
| 15:14 |
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radditz |
what if he ignored me? |
| 15:15 |
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radditz |
I need someone to reason with him |
| 15:15 |
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radditz |
can you do that acuzio ? |
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SoniEx2 |
you can try memoserv but that'll probably get you k-lined |
| 15:15 |
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SoniEx2 |
so don't |
| 15:15 |
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radditz |
what is memoserv? |
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Naros |
grrr why can't glassfish find my SQLServer driver :3 |
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radditz |
acuzio: are you willing to assist me? |
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acuzio |
radditz: assist you in what way ? |
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acuzio |
memoserv is one way to go |
| 15:19 |
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radditz |
acuzio: in talking with someone about my ban |
| 15:19 |
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radditz |
you can go in the channel no? |
| 15:20 |
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Naros |
radditz: this isn't the place to be discussing bans, please take it to a private channel or private discussions. |
| 15:20 |
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acuzio |
yeah listen to Naros or you might get kickbanned from here as well |
| 15:20 |
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radditz |
Naros: it wasn't any ban, it was an unjustified ban |
| 15:20 |
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radditz |
oh wow |
| 15:20 |
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radditz |
acuzio: all I ask is for your help, will you do this? |
| 15:21 |
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Naros |
I'm just saying we don't control #java, and any issues you have with that channel should be taken up with the ops over there. |
| 15:21 |
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radditz |
ok |
| 15:21 |
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radditz |
I am just waiting for acuzio reply |
| 15:21 |
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acuzio |
radditz: what am i supposed to do ? |
| 15:22 |
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radditz |
acuzio: go in theer and ask someone if they can unban me? or what can I do to get unbbanned? |
| 15:23 |
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radditz |
wow it worked acuzio |
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radditz |
thank you |
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acuzio |
radditz: yw# |
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radditz |
acuzio: ? |
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scripty |
why people cant use great forum like stackoverflow :? |
| 15:44 |
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pdurbin |
I do, some: http://stackoverflow.com/users/19464/philip-durbin |
| 15:45 |
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pdurbin |
y u no work, mvn deploy:deploy-file? |
| 15:49 |
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SoniEx2 |
you know I love <Stuff>Buffers |
| 15:51 |
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SoniEx2 |
ByteBuffer bb = new ByteBuffer(); ShortBuffer sb = bb.asShortBuffer(); <stuff>; byte[] data = bb.array(); |
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semiosis |
http://www.infoq.com/articles/javaone2013-roundup |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: nice write up. I like that he included code |
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whartung |
heh I was just looking at taht |
| 16:40 |
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whartung |
I just now clicked on it |
| 16:40 |
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whartung |
Ther's still a JavaME? |
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* pdurbin |
lets the Scala guy know about parallelStream in Java 8: [TechTalkFollowup] Scala slides and files online - https://lists.iq.harvard.edu/pipermail/techtalkfollowup/2013-October/000010.html |
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SoniEx2 |
why can't I have "jump arrays" in java? |
| 17:15 |
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pdurbin |
javaeebot: lucky jump array |
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javaeebot |
pdurbin: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15362852/simulating-pawn-jump-in-the-array-vector |
| 17:17 |
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SoniEx2 |
basically a relative address array with a piece of code to load a pointer from that array and jump to that address |
| 17:17 |
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SoniEx2 |
something you do in assembly which would be useful for writing emulators in java |
| 17:19 |
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SoniEx2 |
(some ppl just find it cool to have large switch blocks) |
| 17:19 |
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SoniEx2 |
s/large/huge/ |
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sfisque |
what you describe is usually referred to as a "vector table" soniex2 |
| 18:00 |
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SoniEx2 |
oh ok |
| 18:00 |
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SoniEx2 |
why can't I have that in java? |
| 18:00 |
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sfisque |
where a "vector" is an address that is used as the target of a JSR or similar instruction |
| 18:00 |
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sfisque |
you can |
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SoniEx2 |
no I can not |
| 18:01 |
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SoniEx2 |
I mean |
| 18:01 |
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SoniEx2 |
large switches don't get compiled into that |
| 18:02 |
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sfisque |
ArrayList<Interface that defines a single method> vList; vList.add( instance_of_Interface ); vList.get( x ).method_defined_in_interface( arguments ); |
| 18:02 |
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sfisque |
done that a bajillion times |
| 18:02 |
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SoniEx2 |
but that's not inline |
| 18:02 |
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sfisque |
then wait for 8 and you can do List<some_closure>(); |
| 18:03 |
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sfisque |
remember, before 8, Functions are not top level objects |
| 18:03 |
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SoniEx2 |
I know :/ |
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preview |
javaeebot: you're nice |
| 18:10 |
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javaeebot |
preview: Error: "you're" is not a valid command. |
| 18:10 |
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sfisque |
javaeebot lucky you're nice |
| 18:10 |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_200/248_dating_advice.html |
| 18:10 |
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sfisque |
rofl |
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preview |
dating advice...for the enterprise |
| 18:11 |
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sfisque |
isnt that what copier rooms and supply closets are for? |
| 18:11 |
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preview |
heyo |
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pdurbin |
javaeebot: lucky vector table |
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javaeebot |
pdurbin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt_vector_table |
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preview |
can I get a list of javaeebot's abilities? |
| 18:12 |
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sfisque |
ask pdurbin, i believe it's his bot |
| 18:12 |
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SoniEx2 |
javaeebot lucky java vector table |
| 18:12 |
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javaeebot |
SoniEx2: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13093631/trouble-with-javas-vectors-and-jtable |
| 18:12 |
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SoniEx2 |
¬_¬ |
| 18:12 |
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SoniEx2 |
wait I'm doing that wrong... |
| 18:12 |
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SoniEx2 |
javaeebot lucky java "vector table" |
| 18:12 |
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javaeebot |
SoniEx2: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13093631/trouble-with-javas-vectors-and-jtable |
| 18:12 |
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pdurbin |
javaeebot: list |
| 18:12 |
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javaeebot |
pdurbin: Admin, Channel, Config, Google, Later, Misc, Owner, and User |
| 18:12 |
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SoniEx2 |
eh :/ |
| 18:12 |
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sfisque |
probably strips the quotes |
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pdurbin |
preview: see "list" output |
| 18:13 |
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sfisque |
javaeebot lucky java 'vector table' |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13093631/trouble-with-javas-vectors-and-jtable |
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preview |
pdurbin: thanks |
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sfisque |
rofl |
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* sfisque |
bonks javaeebot |
| 18:13 |
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SoniEx2 |
javaeebot lucky java \"vector table\" |
| 18:13 |
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javaeebot |
SoniEx2: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13093631/trouble-with-javas-vectors-and-jtable |
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SoniEx2 |
¬_¬ |
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SoniEx2 |
javaeebot lucky "javaeebot sucks" |
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javaeebot |
SoniEx2: Google found nothing. |
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SoniEx2 |
well it works |
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preview |
SoniEx2: to prevent against SQL injection |
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SoniEx2 |
it gives no results if you have quotes |
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SoniEx2 |
javaeebot lucky javaeebot sucks |
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javaeebot |
SoniEx2: Google found nothing. |
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SoniEx2 |
eh... what? |
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SoniEx2 |
it works for me O_o |
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SoniEx2 |
someone refresh javaeebot's cache |
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cem_ |
hi |
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cem_ |
when to use nio ? |
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cem_ |
and when not ? |
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sfisque |
when you need non-blocking io? |
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sfisque |
open sockets |
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SoniEx2 |
do you know when I use NIO? |
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SoniEx2 |
when messing with audio |
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SoniEx2 |
because ByteBuffer and ShortBuffer |
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SoniEx2 |
(my code makes shorts, so I put them through a ShortBuffer that's backed by a ByteBuffer, then I do .array() on the ByteBuffer and feed that into SourceDataLine.write()) |
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cem_ |
ican use it for all i mean i need io to be non-blocking |
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cem_ |
sorry for my english |
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cem_ |
thanks SoniEx2 sfisque |
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semiosis |
SoniEx2: curious, what kind of audio processing are you doing in java? |
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SoniEx2 |
semiosis: trying to write a YM2612 emulator |
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semiosis |
why? |
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SoniEx2 |
well more like a simulator... but w/e... |
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pdurbin |
part of https://github.com/SoniEx2/TheModernClassicGame I think |
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SoniEx2 |
https://github.com/SoniEx2/TheModernClassicGame/tree/master/src/com/github/soniex2/tmcg/ym2612 |
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SoniEx2 |
also I only use SourceDataLines for testing... |
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scripty |
hmm your streak is fine |
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SoniEx2 |
also yes I know I'm doing that output DAC wrong... |
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scripty |
scripty is stupid NOOB |
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scripty |
lua multi-paradigm programming language ? |
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scripty |
multi-paradigm*** |
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scripty |
Bye javaee |
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pdurbin |
I was so excited about Maven but it's already killing me. |
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sfisque |
maven is an acquired taste |
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semiosis |
maven <3 |
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pdurbin |
this is a run-on sentence: Failure to find xerces:xml-apis:jar:1.4.01 in http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2 was cached in the local repository |
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sfisque |
w1n! |
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semiosis |
pdurbin: not really |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: the failure was cached? |
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semiosis |
yes |
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semiosis |
exactly |
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pdurbin |
hmm |
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semiosis |
"Failure to find xerces:xml-apis:jar:1.4.01 in http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2" is the subject |
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pdurbin |
orly |
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semiosis |
pdurbin: are you using nexus? |
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semiosis |
i get that sort of error when nexus isnt configured right |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: no but I asked the ops guys if they'd be willing to set it up |
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pdurbin |
I'm looking at http://search.maven.org/remotecontent?filepath=xerces/xercesImpl/2.10.0/xercesImpl-2.10.0.pom at the groupId "xml-apis" ... I'm not sure why the error is for a groupId of "xerces" |
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pdurbin |
this error (after I clear the failure): Could not resolve dependencies for project edu.harvard.iq.dvn:DVN-web:war:3.6.1: Could not find artifact xerces:xml-apis:jar:1.4.01 in central (http://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2) |
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* pdurbin |
suspects this might be hard to follow |
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semiosis |
your IDE should have a maven dependency resolver tool that allows you to review all the transitive dependencies of a pom |
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semiosis |
that will probably help |
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Naros |
heh, just migrated from MyEclipse10 to 2013 and the maven support seems far more seamless which I highly would recommend to others. |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: hmm. but I know you don't use netbeans, like I do |
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semiosis |
slowly moving from eclipse to idea |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: how are you liking idea? |
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sfisque |
has the "free" version of idea improved much? the last time i tried it out (i like the pay version) it was horrible |
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Naros |
the free one won't work with javaee stuffs far as I could tell |
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semiosis |
pdurbin: love it |
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pdurbin |
Naros: right. from what I could tell too |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: cool |
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Naros |
I tried to wire Tomcat up to it and zomgz, didn't seem intuitive |
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Naros |
I noticed MyEclipse 2013 supports TomEE now for true JavaEE deployment. Just wish it supported GF4. |
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sfisque |
last time i bought a license, was like v6, which is ancient. i can say, the v6 refactory tools were still better than anything i've seen to date. i tried the v9 community edition and it was terrible. |
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semiosis |
i also do a lot of php html & javascript and phpstorm (based on intellij platform) is lightyears ahead of the rest |
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Naros |
sfisque: I need to pick your brain sometime this week, not today on getting my feet wet with GF4. I had a JDBC connection pool setup but for whatever reason I couldn't look it up using JNDI from the app :/ |
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Naros |
But the code works fine under Tomcat7, *shrugs* |
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sfisque |
i havent played with 4 yet. we use 3.1.2.2 here in production and i use jboss 5.x at home |
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Naros |
Ah |
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sfisque |
i'd LOVE to moev to 4 but getting prod to move up from 3.1.2 to 3.1.2.2 was like pulling teeth using remote sensing and the patient was somewhere in orbit around saturn |
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* sfisque |
hopes that image was clear |
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sfisque |
:P |
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sfisque |
corp wants us to move to Tomcat+spring+mybatis |
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* sfisque |
looks for a corner to vomit in |
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semiosis |
sfisque: re idea, i tried idea a few times over the years but never liked it more than eclipse until v 12 |
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semiosis |
when they added realtime compilation |
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sfisque |
i've never thought eclipse had anything on idea, other than price |
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sfisque |
like comparing a mazarati and a volkswagon |
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semiosis |
by that analogy, what's netbeans? |
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pdurbin |
so for the log... the fix was to change opensaml from 2.5.1 to 2.5.1-1 in pom.xml |
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sfisque |
a volvo - not as sexy, but it gives me what i need |
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pdurbin |
Naros: we're trying to move to glassfish 4 |
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cem_ |
hi pdurbin sfisque |
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cem_ |
is there any project i can participate in ? |
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pdurbin |
cem_: https://github.com/iqss/dvn :) |
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cem__ |
pdurbin i'm newbie is that okay ? |
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pdurbin |
cem__: sure. come ask questions in #dvn: http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dvn/2013-10-22 |
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pdurbin |
ha ha! take that, maven! |
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cem__ |
??????? |
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cem__ |
#dvn is EMPTY |
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cem__ |
oh wrong |
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cem__ |
i went to #dvn: |
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pdurbin |
nice |
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sfisque |
javaeebot lucky dvn harvard |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: http://thedata.harvard.edu/ |
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pdurbin |
\o/ |
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sfisque |
so, in a nutshell, what is a "dataverse"? |
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semiosis |
one line from a datasong |
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sfisque |
rofl |
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cem__ |
No luck :( |
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sfisque |
or a datasonnet? |
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semiosis |
precisely |
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sfisque |
so if i cluster dataverses, i'd have a datapoem or a dataepic? |
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semiosis |
naturally |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: here's my write up of what a dataverse is: http://people.iq.harvard.edu/~pdurbin |
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pdurbin |
whartung: making progress with OIOSAML. starting to merge some of the contributed code into our app |
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whartung |
cool |
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sfisque |
so basically a DSaaS? (datastore as a service)? |
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pdurbin |
auth against the IdP at http://testshib.org seems to be working |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: never heard of that but sure :) |
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sfisque |
i just made it up |
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sfisque |
:-) |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: free data hosting for researchers. and some visualization and statistical analysis tools |
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* sfisque |
marks off another square on his buzzword-bingo-card |
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pdurbin |
sfisque: a DOI for your data, if that means anything to you :) |
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pdurbin |
javaeebot: lucky doi identifier |
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javaeebot |
pdurbin: http://www.doi.org/ |
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cem__ |
I'm sorry pdurbin |
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pdurbin |
cem__: about what? |
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cem__ |
I couldnt become part of dvn |
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pdurbin |
cem__: oh, you said hi at least: http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dvn/2013-10-22#i_3959 :) |
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* pdurbin |
goes to pick up kids |
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cem__ |
Any project out there where they allow newbies ? |
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sfisque |
anyone versed in the REST api that GF exposes MXBeans through? i cannot seem to find if/where GF exposes "our" mxbeans via REST. |
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semiosis |
cem__: what are you looking for? |
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cem__ |
semiosis: some open source project in java area |
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semiosis |
for what purpose? |
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semiosis |
whats your goal? |
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cem__ |
just to have fun |
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cem__ |
? |
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semiosis |
cem__: best way to get involved in an open source project, in my opinion, is to add to something you already use and are familiar with |
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SoniEx2 |
cem__: #nbx |
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cem__ |
semiosis: Yes |
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whartung |
I don't think it exposes random MBeans sfisque |
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sfisque |
well, that's poop |
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sfisque |
forces me to fire up jvisualvm |
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sighs |
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cem__ |
let me know if someone starts a project |
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scripty |
Hey Guys |
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scripty |
hi cem__ |
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scripty |
join #hhm |
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Naros |
so something seems to be escaping me. form submitted via post handles utf-8 just fine. but when in get mode, it gives me the non-utf8 multi-byte value |
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cem__ |
hi |
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Naros |
hello |
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cem__ |
i'm leaving :( |
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Naros |
lol |
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scripty |
:/ |
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sfisque |
what gives you the mb value? naros |
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Naros |
well for one, struts isn't getting it correctly to do the query |
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Naros |
so its either a browser submission issue or a tomcat issue |
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sfisque |
locale? |
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Naros |
locale is en_US but these foreign characters work fine when using form submitted via method="post" |
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Naros |
just not under method="get" |
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sfisque |
get is going to escape any wierd chars, post should be treating them as an opaque stream |
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Naros |
right so a chinese character via a get is going to always be broken? |
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sfisque |
is the server side doing the necessary conversions to recover the character(s)? |
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Naros |
Hm. |
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sfisque |
url-encoding can do wonky things to non-english values |
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scripty |
he left :/ i had a wanted person for a html 5 errrr |
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scripty |
i felt url-encoding is better |
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scripty |
oops |
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Naros |
yah i see descriptions[0]=廣 in the url in the browser |
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Naros |
i guess its just getting whacked server side |
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Naros |
let me see |
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sfisque |
i would guess it's the opposite. it's NOT getting "unwhacked" on the server side |
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Naros |
:P |
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sfisque |
browser url-encodes it, server gets it, and barfs |
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scripty |
how about you encode in different format |
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sfisque |
urlencoding is standard |
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sfisque |
but i'm not knowledgable on how it encodes mbyte glyphs |
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Naros |
yah during the get operation, its not what the server expects. |
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scripty |
encode > url encoding > server side |
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sfisque |
a good exercise for a small void main() program |
| 21:43 |
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Naros |
But taking the value and manually converting it to UTF8 looks like it might work. |
| 21:43 |
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Naros |
which means I gotta write a stupid interceptor :E |
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sfisque |
the issue scripty is it's already doing that, but i'm guessing there is a missing "explicit" step because he's consuming mbyte glyphs in a utf-8 app |
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* sfisque |
nods to naros |
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Naros |
Yah I think I was expecting to get the values handed to me in UTF8 format, but in the case of GET I am not. |
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sfisque |
i'm guessing you ARE getting them but the app does not know how to map a utf-16 (mbyte) to a utf-8 (sbyte) glyph |
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sfisque |
hence you're interceptor seems like the logical approach |
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scripty |
should he mention what type of decoder it must use ? |
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sfisque |
detect non-utf-8 stream, inject conversion, return to normally broadcasted show |
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sfisque |
url-decoding is part of the servlet spec. i'm guessing what's happending is the client is submitting a 2-byte glyph, it gets url-encoded as two separate bytes, and the server is not "putting them back together" as a single glyph |
| 21:47 |
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Naros |
but if the document encoding is utf8, just not sure why gets wouldn't follow utf8 encoding too. |
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sfisque |
it is, but that char is 16bit, so you get two bytes and the utf-8 handler doesnt know to "put them back together" |
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sfisque |
i admit, i'm guessing, since i do not know the details of ur app, but that is my best guess |
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* scripty |
nods |
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Naros |
is there an easier way than trying to fumble with the interceptor to translate the input? |
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sfisque |
javaeebot lucky url encoding multibyte detecting |
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javaeebot |
sfisque: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percent-encoding |
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sfisque |
i'm guessing there might be a "indicator character" to indicate mbyte expansion |
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scripty |
YU sfisque |
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sfisque |
YU? |
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scripty |
TU |
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scripty |
for the link |
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sfisque |
oh, lolz, np. thank javaeebot. he does the heavy lifting :P |
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sfisque |
or she, i havent asked |
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sfisque |
or looked under the hood |
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sfisque |
%uxxxx |
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sfisque |
but that is beyond the standard |
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scripty |
i just worked on kanji before i use to convert into base64 |
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sfisque |
NSI: There exists a non-standard encoding for Unicode characters: %uxxxx, where xxxx is a Unicode value represented as four hexadecimal digits. This behavior is not specified by any RFC and has been http://www.w3.org/International/iri-edit/draft-duerst-iri.html by the W3C. The third edition of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMA-262 still includes an escape(string) function that uses this syntax, but also an encodeURI(uri) function that converts to UTF-8 and |
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sfisque |
so the issue becomes detecting these "munged" mbyte glyphs, OR rejecting them and reporting an error |
| 21:53 |
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sfisque |
or converting the app to utf-16, bleh |
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pdurbin |
semiosis: oh, I did get the "later" message when I first started typing in here this morning |
| 21:59 |
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Naros |
converting to utf16 :/ |
| 22:00 |
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Naros |
just wish my damned qa department tested this case rather than letting it go for so long :E |
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pdurbin |
I'm just glad we have qa :) |
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Naros |
so browser is suppose to encoding based on the content-type of the page, which is rendered as utf-8 |
| 22:01 |
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Naros |
so why does it just disregard and do w/e it wants :P |
| 22:03 |
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Naros |
" for instance, in Tomcat, you have to call request.setEncoding() (or some similar method) before you call any of the request.getParameter() methods." :/ |
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scripty |
isnt that part of servlet spec |
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Naros |
strange thing is i have a filter which already is suppose to force this utf8 compliance too |
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sfisque |
the issue i think scripty isnt the servlet spec, but rather the http spec. i'm not fluent on what the http spec says about conveying mbyte glyphs or supporting non-roman locales |
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scripty |
sfisque i said for his example |
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sfisque |
right. but i'm guessing it's deeper than the servlet spec because ultimately, the servlet spec has to follow what the http RFCs and such dictate |
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pdurbin |
"one of the biggest Java User Groups of the world, an recent estimative claims that the group can have more than 42.000 members" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SouJava |
| 23:23 |
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pdurbin |
how big is *your* JUG? |
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sfisque |
that's kind of personal |
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sfisque |
>.< |
| 23:23 |
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pdurbin |
! |
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whartung |
1 liter |
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pdurbin |
via https://blogs.oracle.com/javaspotlight/entry/java_spotlight_episode_147_bruno |
