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pdurbin2 |
I guess "New in 3.0" on page 63 of the spec is the best list of what's new in Expression Language (EL) 3: http://download.oracle.com/otndocs/jcp/el-3_0-fr-eval-spec/index.html |
| 00:03 |
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pdurbin2 |
at the moment he's talking about lambda expressions |
| 00:05 |
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pdurbin2 |
here's a decent write up: https://weblogs.java.net/blog/swchan2/archive/2013/07/01/standard-deviation-illustration-expression-language-30-servlet-environment |
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pdurbin2 |
hmm, also https://java.net/projects/el-spec/pages/FeatureList |
| 00:10 |
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jieryn |
why does javaone lag so bad about getting sessions online.. ugh |
| 00:11 |
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pdurbin2 |
jieryn: how long does it take? |
| 00:11 |
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whartung |
WWDC at apple was super good at it this year. They were up really fast, same day Ithink |
| 00:11 |
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pdurbin2 |
back in a bit |
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jieryn |
it might be weeks, really.. they do not even get the keynotes up same day |
| 00:15 |
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whartung |
does java one sell out in 20 minutes like WWDC does? |
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pdurbin2 |
next session: Using MongoDB in a Java Enterprise Application [BOF7857] https://oracleus.activeevents.com/2013/connect/sessionDetail.ww?SESSION_ID=7857 |
| 00:25 |
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whartung |
wow -- you guys run late |
| 00:25 |
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pdurbin2 |
jeez, this picture I took is a little dark: https://plus.google.com/107770072576338242009/posts/364FeH1nbmB |
| 00:26 |
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pdurbin2 |
Consilience (the app they're talking about) comes from the same place (IQSS) as the app I work on: http://www.iq.harvard.edu/products |
| 00:27 |
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whartung |
nice |
| 00:27 |
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pdurbin2 |
"An amazing new tool that enables you to quickly read, understand, categorize, and derive insights from huge quantities of unstructured text." -- http://consilience.com |
| 00:28 |
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pdurbin2 |
I've seen demos of it but never down to the Mongo layer. Should be interesting |
| 00:30 |
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whartung |
well have fun pdurbin, thanks again for the play by play and the links. Gotta run, tty tomorrow. |
| 00:31 |
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pdurbin2 |
started out by using JPA, switched to Mongo |
| 00:31 |
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pdurbin2 |
background on the app: General Purpose Computer-Assisted Clustering and Conceptualization | Gary King - http://gking.harvard.edu/files/abs/discov-abs.shtml |
| 00:32 |
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sfisque |
jieryn, i'd guess because apple actively develops a streaming API (quicktime) and oracle does not |
| 00:37 |
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pdurbin2 |
hmm, LCE as "local cluster ensemble" |
| 00:39 |
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pdurbin2 |
they use Derby as a database as well |
| 00:40 |
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pdurbin2 |
mongo stores the ouput from processing done in R |
| 00:44 |
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pdurbin2 |
"it's not a search engine, it's a discovery engine" |
| 00:44 |
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pdurbin2 |
(Consilience, that is) |
| 00:45 |
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sfisque |
so correct me if i am wrong, but the "big data" model boils down to either "static content stored by key" or "pre-baked query results, stored by key". i cannot see how key/value storage offers anything outside of caching. am i missing something? |
| 00:46 |
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pdurbin2 |
I dunno, I've heard people say "big data" is more about the tools you use. If you're using map reduce, you're doing big data :) |
| 00:48 |
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pdurbin2 |
why mongodb... on the fly LCE calculations impractical... needed to be pre-calculated and persisted |
| 00:48 |
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sfisque |
right, but i don't see the value other than delivery of pre-baked data. is there some tech or design manner that makes this data query-able? |
| 00:48 |
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pdurbin2 |
need to potentially handle 10 million documents |
| 00:48 |
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sfisque |
aye but docs == pre-baked |
| 00:49 |
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sfisque |
i'm assuming |
| 00:49 |
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pdurbin2 |
derby for read/write user related data |
| 00:49 |
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* sfisque |
is open to crrection |
| 00:49 |
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pdurbin2 |
using gridfs |
| 00:49 |
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pdurbin2 |
http://docs.mongodb.org/manual/core/gridfs/ |
| 00:52 |
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pdurbin2 |
oh, so they still use JPA for mongo |
| 00:53 |
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pdurbin2 |
using @NoSQL annotation: http://www.eclipse.org/eclipselink/documentation/2.4/jpa/extensions/a_nosql.htm (not sure if that's the right version) |
| 00:55 |
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pdurbin2 |
hmm, @Embeddable annotation |
| 00:57 |
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pdurbin2 |
more on the annotations (from their slide): http://wiki.eclipse.org/EclipseLink/UserGuide/JPA/Advanced_JPA_Development/NoSQL/Configuring |
| 00:58 |
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pdurbin2 |
sfisque: what's being stored are "clusters" of documents, clusters based on various clustering algorithms, implemented in R (if that helps) |
| 01:01 |
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pdurbin2 |
huh, can do a "composite persistent unit" but they had issues with this |
| 01:02 |
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pdurbin2 |
they link to Polyglot Persistence: EclipseLink with MongoDB and Derby | Javalobby - http://java.dzone.com/articles/polyglot-persistence-0 |
| 01:03 |
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pdurbin2 |
huh. have to restart Glassfish after modifying Entity |
| 01:03 |
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pdurbin2 |
they use native query to specify mongo queries |
| 01:04 |
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sfisque |
of course. because the container has to pre-build proxies |
| 01:04 |
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pdurbin2 |
sfisque: so you aren't surprised |
| 01:04 |
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sfisque |
not at all |
| 01:05 |
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pdurbin2 |
seems to bother them a bit |
| 01:05 |
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pdurbin2 |
understandably :) |
| 01:05 |
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sfisque |
well, the other choice is to restart the app |
| 01:05 |
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sfisque |
or undeploy/redeploy |
| 01:06 |
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sfisque |
you can un/redeploy on a live container and it accepts all changes |
| 01:06 |
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pdurbin2 |
they're talking about using both JPA with mongo and the MongoDB API. that you can use both. they co-exist just fine |
| 01:07 |
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sfisque |
ah. how does JPA work with mongo. isn't mongo an impl of nosql? |
| 01:07 |
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sfisque |
i guess you can just do all find( type, pk) |
| 01:07 |
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sfisque |
but why bother accepting the overhead of JPA just for PK calls |
| 01:07 |
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pdurbin2 |
here's what the api looks like, I guess: http://api.mongodb.org/java/current/com/mongodb/Mongo.html |
| 01:08 |
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pdurbin2 |
sfisque: sounds like they started with JPA. and tried the MongoDB API later |
| 01:09 |
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sfisque |
yah, switching connection pool provider would require the app to be restarted, minimally |
| 01:09 |
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pdurbin2 |
hmm, "GridFS is a specification for storing and retrieving files that exceed the BSON-document size limit of 16MB." |
| 01:09 |
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pdurbin2 |
lots of code on these slides |
| 01:09 |
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pdurbin2 |
"reading a GridFS File" |
| 01:10 |
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pdurbin2 |
MongoDB API is wordier than JPA |
| 01:10 |
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pdurbin2 |
finer level of control than with JPA |
| 01:10 |
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pdurbin2 |
other mongo peristence libraries: Morphia, Jongo |
| 01:11 |
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pdurbin2 |
morphia - A type-safe java library for MongoDB - Google Project Hosting - http://code.google.com/p/morphia/ |
| 01:11 |
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pdurbin2 |
Jongo {mongo-java-driver: 'with ease'} - http://jongo.org/ |
| 01:13 |
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pdurbin2 |
ah, so @NoSQL is an EclipseLink thing. it's not in the JPA standard (yet) or anything |
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pdurbin2 |
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hi Naros_ |
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acuzio |
Hey Quest |
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acuzio |
How are you ? |
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pdurbin |
next session: JSF 2.2 New Features in Context [CON3294] https://oracleus.activeevents.com/2013/connect/sessionDetail.ww?SESSION_ID=3294 |
| 15:37 |
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pdurbin |
with https://twitter.com/edburns |
| 15:37 |
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pdurbin |
"JSF is all about state" ... 3 kinds: |
| 15:37 |
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pdurbin |
- UIComponent state |
| 15:38 |
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pdurbin |
- Model tier state |
| 15:38 |
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pdurbin |
- Persistence tier state |
| 15:38 |
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pdurbin |
for stateless JSF, he recommends reading http://www.scribd.com/doc/94007042/Performance-Comparison-Leonardo-Uribe-FINAL-Detailed |
| 15:38 |
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tjsnell |
~jsf-- |
| 15:39 |
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pdurbin |
new feature in JSF 2.2: Resource Library Contracts |
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* pdurbin |
looks at https://blogs.oracle.com/arungupta/entry/resource_library_contracts_in_jsf2 |
| 15:41 |
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pdurbin |
"JSF 2.2 defines Resource Library Contracts that allow facelet templates to be applied to an entire application in a reusable and interchangeable manner" |
| 15:46 |
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pdurbin |
"This is a very powerful feature. Imagine providing different look-and-feel for your website and letting the user choose them, fun eh ?" |
| 15:47 |
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pdurbin |
demo by https://twitter.com/rogerk09 (I think) |
| 15:47 |
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pdurbin |
now they're talking about Faces Flows |
| 15:48 |
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pdurbin |
which was covered in a previous talk: http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/2013-09-23#i_24820 |
| 15:51 |
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pdurbin |
"finally, with 'client window' JSF can properly handle multiple tabs" |
| 15:51 |
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pdurbin |
"a little bit of extra work at the application level, but you can do it" |
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tjsnell |
haha |
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pdurbin |
:) |
| 15:52 |
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pdurbin |
"The JSF spec requires that client window mode must be automatically enabled if one or more flows are detected" -- https://java.net/jira/browse/GLASSFISH-20433 |
| 15:53 |
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pdurbin |
(I'm not seeing a lot on Google about "client window") |
| 15:54 |
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pdurbin |
ah, here we go: http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/7/api/javax/faces/lifecycle/ClientWindow.html |
| 15:55 |
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pdurbin |
on to HTML5-friendly markup |
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pdurbin |
"pass through attributes" ... components do not process them |
| 16:07 |
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pdurbin |
he said to check out http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/7/api/javax/faces/view/facelets/TagDecorator.html |
| 16:48 |
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pdurbin |
next session: Apache TomEE, Java EE Web Profile, and More on Tomcat [CON3969] https://oracleus.activeevents.com/2013/connect/sessionDetail.ww?SESSION_ID=3969 |
| 16:48 |
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pdurbin |
by the founder of TomEE: https://twitter.com/dblevins |
| 16:51 |
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whartung |
ask them what the difference between TomEE and Geronimo is! |
| 16:54 |
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pdurbin |
hmm. "Our most popular distribution is a fully certified Java EE 6 application server runtime" -- http://geronimo.apache.org |
| 16:54 |
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pdurbin |
whartung: isn't TomEE just the Jave EE web profile? |
| 16:55 |
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pdurbin |
"an all-Apache stack aimed at Java EE 6 Web Profile certification" -- http://tomee.apache.org/apache-tomee.html |
| 16:59 |
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pdurbin |
oh, a side note, http://stuartmarks.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tut3877_marks-jumpstartinglambda-v6.pdf were just posted via http://stuartmarks.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/javaone-2013-has-begun/ via https://twitter.com/stuartmarks/status/382399575350185984 ... 147 pages on lambda goodness :) |
| 16:59 |
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pdurbin |
see also my notes on that lambda talk at http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/2013-09-23#i_24549 |
| 17:01 |
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pdurbin |
ok, the TomEE talk is starting |
| 17:05 |
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pdurbin |
"EARs are dead... long live war files" |
| 17:05 |
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pdurbin |
"web profile cuts java ee in half" |
| 17:06 |
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pdurbin |
java ee now testable via embedded containers and arquillian |
| 17:06 |
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pdurbin |
all this under "milestone changes" for java ee since it was j2ee |
| 17:06 |
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pdurbin |
he is one of the founders of geronimo |
| 17:07 |
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pdurbin |
had to deal with jax-rpc and and other undesireable parts of the full profile |
| 17:08 |
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pdurbin |
he likes the simplicity of the war file, that ear files aren't dictated any more |
| 17:09 |
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pdurbin |
"you can run the entire stack as an embeddable container on java se" |
| 17:24 |
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pdurbin |
YAP PetStore demo, written by Antonio Goncalves |
| 17:25 |
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pdurbin |
this, I guess: http://antoniogoncalves.org/2012/06/25/yet-another-petstore/ |
| 17:26 |
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pdurbin |
maybe this code: https://github.com/agoncal/agoncal-application-petstore-ee6 |
| 17:28 |
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pdurbin |
ah ha, I suspect this is the version he's showing: https://github.com/tomitribe/agoncal-application-petstore-ee6 |
| 17:29 |
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pdurbin |
https://github.com/tomitribe/agoncal-application-petstore-ee6/blob/master/src/main/java/org/agoncal/application/petstore/service/DBPopulator.java |
| 17:29 |
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pdurbin |
he's talking about @Startup in that file ^^ |
| 17:29 |
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pdurbin |
and @DataSourceDefinitions |
| 17:31 |
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pdurbin |
showing https://github.com/tomitribe/agoncal-application-petstore-ee6/blob/master/src/main/java/org/agoncal/application/petstore/service/CatalogService.java |
| 17:34 |
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pdurbin |
showing https://github.com/tomitribe/agoncal-application-petstore-ee6/blob/master/src/main/java/org/agoncal/application/petstore/rest/CatalogRestService.java |
| 17:35 |
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pdurbin |
showing @Deployment at https://github.com/tomitribe/agoncal-application-petstore-ee6/blob/master/src/test/java/org/agoncal/application/petstore/domain/AddressTest.java |
| 17:36 |
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pdurbin |
pretty quick to run that test |
| 17:37 |
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pdurbin |
showing a bigger test: https://github.com/tomitribe/agoncal-application-petstore-ee6/blob/master/src/test/java/org/agoncal/application/petstore/service/CatalogServiceTest.java |
| 17:38 |
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pdurbin |
extolling the virtues of bean validation |
| 17:39 |
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pdurbin |
i.e. custom @Price at https://github.com/tomitribe/agoncal-application-petstore-ee6/blob/master/src/main/java/org/agoncal/application/petstore/domain/Item.java |
| 17:39 |
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pdurbin |
bean validation rules defined here: https://github.com/tomitribe/agoncal-application-petstore-ee6/blob/master/src/main/java/org/agoncal/application/petstore/constraint/Price.java |
| 17:41 |
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pdurbin |
showing https://github.com/tomitribe/agoncal-application-petstore-ee6/blob/master/src/main/java/org/agoncal/application/petstore/util/LoggingInterceptor.java |
| 17:42 |
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pdurbin |
custom annotation: @Loggable |
| 17:44 |
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pdurbin |
showing InvocationHandler at https://github.com/tomitribe/agoncal-application-petstore-ee6/blob/master/src/main/java/org/agoncal/application/petstore/service/CatalogService.java |
| 17:45 |
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pdurbin |
hmm, well, this is a new feature... not pushed up to github yet apparently |
| 17:57 |
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pdurbin |
showing @Consumes at https://github.com/tomitribe/agoncal-application-petstore-ee6/blob/master/src/main/java/org/agoncal/application/petstore/rest/CatalogRestService.java |
| 18:06 |
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pdurbin |
end of session |
| 18:13 |
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whartung |
so what's next on the menu pdurbin |
| 18:14 |
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pdurbin |
heh |
| 18:15 |
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pdurbin |
whartung: Nuts and Bolts of Java EE 7 Interceptors [CON7771] https://oracleus.activeevents.com/2013/connect/sessionDetail.ww?SESSION_ID=7771 |
| 18:17 |
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pdurbin |
with https://www.java.net//jcp/communityspotlight/marina-vatkina and https://twitter.com/emmanuelbernard |
| 18:19 |
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pdurbin |
"Interceptors are used in conjunction with Java EE managed classes to allow developers to invoke interceptor methods on an associated target class, in conjunction with method invocations or lifecycle events. Common uses of interceptors are logging, auditing, and profiling." -- http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/7/tutorial/doc/interceptors001.htm |
| 18:19 |
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pdurbin |
I feel like people have told me interceptors are important. I'm hoping to find out why :) |
| 18:21 |
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whartung |
interceptors are nice |
| 18:22 |
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pdurbin |
whartung: what do you use them for? |
| 18:22 |
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whartung |
oh all sorts of things |
| 18:23 |
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whartung |
logging, auditing, typically |
| 18:26 |
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pdurbin |
ok, like the docs say |
| 18:27 |
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whartung |
yup |
| 18:27 |
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whartung |
they're like filters in webapps |
| 18:27 |
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whartung |
same concept |
| 18:28 |
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pdurbin |
I can't find javax.interceptor.Interceptors in our code. I guess we don't use them |
| 18:30 |
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pdurbin |
this guy is the spec lead for bean validation |
| 18:31 |
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pdurbin |
and the gal is a spec lead on various things |
| 18:33 |
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pdurbin |
added AroundConstruct |
| 18:33 |
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pdurbin |
(in Interceptors 1.2) |
| 18:33 |
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whartung |
oh nice |
| 18:35 |
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pdurbin |
"Interceptors are used to interpose on business method invocations and specific events, such as timeout events or lifecycle events, that occur on instances of Java EE components and other managed classes." -- https://java.net/downloads/interceptors-spec/interceptor-1-2-mrel.pdf |
| 18:36 |
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pdurbin |
"why bean validations needs interceptors" |
| 18:38 |
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pdurbin |
new in bean validation 1.1: validation of parameters and return values upon method call |
| 18:39 |
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pdurbin |
ah, between the client and a method is a Bean Validation interceptor |
| 18:39 |
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pdurbin |
that validates parameters |
| 18:44 |
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pdurbin |
validation should happen as late as possible, after security and transaction checks. and to limit the rist of parameter value mutution... so they introduced the notion of global @Priority for an interceptor |
| 18:45 |
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pdurbin |
number based priority |
| 18:46 |
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pdurbin |
https://javaee-spec.java.net/nonav/javadocs/javax/interceptor/Interceptor.Priority.html |
| 18:49 |
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pdurbin |
talking about https://javaee-spec.java.net/nonav/javadocs/javax/interceptor/AroundConstruct.html |
| 18:51 |
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pdurbin |
a new lifecycle callback interceptor type |
| 18:52 |
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pdurbin |
so in code you use @ValidateConstructor |
| 18:56 |
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pdurbin |
"interceptors are stacks" |
| 18:57 |
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pdurbin |
"global ordering is a tricky thing" |
| 18:58 |
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pdurbin |
has to be backwards compatible |
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pdurbin |
CMT as "container managed transactions" |
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pdurbin |
more at https://java.net/projects/interceptors-spec/ |
| 19:16 |
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pdurbin |
they welcome feedback |
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pdurbin |
fin |
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pdurbin |
next session: Unlocking the Java EE Platform with HTML5 [CON3475] https://oracleus.activeevents.com/2013/connect/sessionDetail.ww?SESSION_ID=3475 |
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pdurbin |
with https://twitter.com/GeertjanW |
| 20:02 |
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pdurbin |
and https://twitter.com/ensode |
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pdurbin |
demo of websockets |
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pdurbin |
Johannes Weigend from http://www.qaware.de/de/geschaeftsleitung up next |
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pdurbin |
huh. you can add twitter-bootstrap under javascript files right from netbeans when clicking "new html application" |
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pdurbin |
demo of Cross-Origin Resource Sharing Filter wizard: http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeans_731_NewAndNoteworthy |
| 20:43 |
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pdurbin |
using a view model from knockoutjs |
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tjsnell |
man they are pushing their ide hard |
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whartung |
you there too tjsnell ? |
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tjsnell |
nope |
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tjsnell |
several friends there speaking |
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tjsnell |
but I didn't head out |
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tjsnell |
I'd rather my time off from work have to do with being outdoors, not at a conference |
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whartung |
you can listen to it from the outside on your "portable media player" :) |
| 21:28 |
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tjsnell |
or I can go out in the ocean fishing and turn off all non fishing related electronic |
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tjsnell |
s |
| 21:30 |
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whartung |
you could watch the conference on one device, and fishing shows on another…so, it's kinda the same...sorta... |
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whartung |
this was really good |
| 21:30 |
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whartung |
http://stuartmarks.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/tut3877_marks-jumpstartinglambda-v6.pdf |
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whartung |
I'm mostly content with Netbeans, content enough to not bother switching |
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pdurbin |
I did just get outside for a few minutes: https://plus.google.com/107770072576338242009/posts/HA7Nzb8DmzB |
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pdurbin |
catching the tail end of Enterprise JavaBeans 3.2 with Examples [CON7759] https://oracleus.activeevents.com/2013/connect/sessionDetail.ww?SESSION_ID=7759 |
| 22:30 |
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pdurbin |
David Blevins again, who is awesome |
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pdurbin |
all the code he's showing is at https://github.com/dblevins/mdb-improvements |
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pdurbin |
he was just showing the telnet connector, for example |
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whartung |
nice |
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pdurbin |
talking about how in Java we always use HTTP and JMS but other protocols can be used. and there are already exisiting clients |
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whartung |
JCA is so fabulously complicated :) |
| 22:42 |
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pdurbin |
hmm, well, he has a quickstart at least: https://github.com/dblevins/jca-quickstart :) |
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whartung |
yea |
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whartung |
I'm half heartedly working on a book about this of all things, so the examples will be nice. |
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pdurbin |
whartung: oh. I didn't realize. how's the writing going? |
| 22:44 |
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whartung |
slowly :) I mostly have an outline done. |
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whartung |
it's just a whimsy |
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pdurbin |
ah. no book deal yet? :) |
| 22:45 |
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whartung |
no |
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pdurbin |
well, please keep us posted :) |
| 22:47 |
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whartung |
sure |
| 22:47 |
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whartung |
figured I'd self publish :) reap all the phat profits for myself. |
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pdurbin |
:) |
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pdurbin |
next session: Meet the Java EE Specification Leads [BOF2795] https://oracleus.activeevents.com/2013/connect/sessionDetail.ww?SESSION_ID=2795 |
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pdurbin |
with https://www.java.net//jcp/communityspotlight/bill-shannon and https://www.java.net//jcp/communityspotlight/linda-demichiel |
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whartung |
hopefully the women will keep their panties on this time... |
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pdurbin |
! |
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pdurbin |
some other heavy hitters here too. https://twitter.com/edburns and the Interceptors spec llady |
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pdurbin |
Marina |
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pdurbin |
actually, more folks are behind them |
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pdurbin |
"well, there are a lot of specs" :) |
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pdurbin |
Bill Shannon up first |
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pdurbin |
any questions about the future of Java EE? they're going to be asking us |
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pdurbin |
themes of Java EE 7: html5, productivity (simplified APIs), enterprise demands (concurrency, batch, simplified JMS) |
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pdurbin |
quick overview of Java EE 7 and now their fielding questions |
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pdurbin |
anyone have any? |
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pdurbin |
someone asked, "What about JDO?" |
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looks at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Data_Objects |
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pdurbin |
oh good. philbot is back and logging |
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whartung |
jdo is long dead |
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pdurbin |
yeah, that was my impression. but I think JDO is what cheeser was talking about the other night |
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whartung |
curious what questions you get |
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pdurbin |
Ed Burns asked if Java EE is too hard to ramp up on |
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whartung |
no |
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pdurbin |
hmm, I dunno, there's a lot there |
| 23:54 |
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whartung |
but you don't need it all |
| 23:55 |
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pdurbin |
sure |
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whartung |
how much did I talk about when you first started how to keep your interest focused rather than chasing every shiny new word you run in to |
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pdurbin |
it's easier to sling something together in PHP though :) |
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whartung |
eh, sling PHP or similarly awful JSPs, pretty close, save for putting jars in the right palce |
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pdurbin |
hmm. I haven't really worked with JSP at all |
| 23:56 |
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pdurbin |
but I guess that makes sense |
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whartung |
you don't see it in JSP because we don't have to, and prefer other patterns |
| 23:57 |
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whartung |
but you can write JSP like PHP if you like |
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pdurbin |
they were asked how closely they work with the Java SE folks |
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pdurbin |
challenges in having to predict what features they'll want in SE. can take a while |
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whartung |
hey they added lambdas to EL, -- how close do you want!?? |
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pdurbin |
they said annotations were only added to Java because the EE folks wanted them |
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whartung |
yea they have to be a step behing |
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whartung |
sure |
