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scripty |
who is |
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scripty |
Philip Durbin ? |
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scripty |
I dont like to spam can anyone shout here |
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scripty |
IS it sfisque ? |
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scripty |
I dont know who you are ... U have Cool Things ....Thank U |
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scripty |
Is it Quest .......No suspense please :( |
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grug |
it'd probably help if you could put together a coherent sentence |
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sfisque |
i'm not sure what the question is |
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scripty |
:D |
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scripty |
who is Philip Durbin ? |
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grug |
why the fuck would we know? |
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grug |
he owns greptilian.com |
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grug |
http://greptilian.com/ |
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grug |
that is him |
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scripty |
grug if you dont know fuck dont type |
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grug |
what the fuck, are you some 12 year old |
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grug |
stop being a dipshit |
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scripty |
Fuck YOU mORON |
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scripty |
12 years OLD mf |
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scripty was kicked by sfisque: scripty |
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sighs |
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first kick i've had to do |
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acuzio |
Hi all |
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pdurbin |
acuzio: hi |
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acuzio |
I want to do REST server without Servlets |
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tjsnell |
RAILS |
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acuzio |
no in Java |
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acuzio |
Java EE |
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pdurbin |
heh |
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pdurbin |
I thought Java EE was built on Servlets |
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Quest |
servlets is part of java ee |
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pdurbin |
acuzio: you might want to ask in #rest. whartung hangs out there too |
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sfisque |
you're going to reinvent a fairly big square wheel if you plan on doing REST without servlets. (assuming you're intending on doing it in java) |
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acuzio |
why do we need Servlets |
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pdurbin |
for request/response |
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acuzio |
i want to know what Quest did |
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Quest |
sorry? |
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acuzio |
i thought you did REST |
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acuzio |
or something without Servlets |
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Quest |
me. not |
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Quest |
acuzio, "most" things are based on servlets . even many frameworks (despite some dont use servlets at all). |
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Quest |
acuzio, i never did REST |
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Quest |
or SOAP |
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Naros |
We use REST here but it is based on Servlets. |
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pdurbin |
I think there's a Java framework or two that isn't based on servlets |
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Naros |
But I concur with sfisque; not using servlets would be akin of reinventing the wheel imo. |
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Naros |
that time is better spent elsewhere imo |
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acuzio |
so Quest you didnt |
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acuzio |
I am quite disappointed |
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Quest |
acuzio, why ? :) |
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Quest |
acuzio, you are not my grandma. are you? |
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acuzio |
well no |
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acuzio |
i was interested to hear your experience thats all |
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acuzio |
Are you all stillusing the single nick |
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acuzio |
So Quest is like an aggregated response |
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Quest |
6 months before, I started coding in java. touched, java se, ee, jsp servlets, spring , spring security, hibernate. made about 50 apps. se+ee |
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Quest |
and java fx |
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Quest |
founded this channel because of my interest and passion in java. thats all i gues. |
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Quest |
acuzio, you ? |
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acuzio |
wow 50 apps |
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Quest |
sorry. 20 |
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Quest |
bad typo |
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sfisque |
consider it this way. REST is based on http. so you're either going to use servlets, OR you're going to re-invent about 16 years of stable code |
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acuzio |
so are you all still using Quest |
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acuzio |
as a common nick |
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Quest |
I am the only one who use this nick. why ? |
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acuzio |
really |
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acuzio |
i was sure therre were like 4 of you guys |
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acuzio |
at least |
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Naros |
Nope, just know Quest from here when I helped him/her with some hibernate stuffs a few months back. |
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Naros |
beyond that, Quest and I are on two completely different continents :P |
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acuzio |
Naros: Quest is a guy or at least one of them is |
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Naros |
I have never asked so :P |
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acuzio |
What happens if i have 2 requests coming to a HTTP server from the same IP- is the Session reused ? |
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Naros |
Depends on the browser. |
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Naros |
If both are in the same browser, just different tabs, it might. |
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acuzio |
it might - |
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acuzio |
? |
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acuzio |
hmm - what does that mean ? |
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Naros |
The browser sends a session id to the app server. |
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Quest |
I am the only one who use this nick. acuzio |
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Naros |
depending on the browser's implementation, it might send the same session id or get assigned a new one if one isn't presented. |
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acuzio |
So the browser decides ? |
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Naros |
we generally find we have to test with two different browsers to simulate two different sessions. |
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Quest |
acuzio, the session is maintained by the browser also. so it depends |
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acuzio |
What happens to the server then ? |
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Naros |
if no session is presented to the app server, the app server assigned a new one to the browser and it is then responsible for sending that session information on each subsequent future request. |
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Naros |
all the server does is maintains a list of session ids to a map of session objects. |
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Naros |
so that when a request comes in and a session id matches what the browser submits, the session's server side representation can be reconstructed and used for that request |
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acuzio |
What happens at the first request ? |
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Naros |
browser sends request, server sees no session id provided and webapp server says, ok your session is now XYZ an sends that to the browser. The browser says thank you and stores it. On future requests, the broser sends XYZ back to the server so the server can lookup it's session data. |
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Naros |
it's a bit more complicated ofc, but that's the gist. |
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Quest |
acuzio, why did tjsnell called you a trouble maker? |
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Quest |
he is the op in #java i think |
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tjsnell |
I'm a good judge of character |
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* Quest |
hides |
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acuzio |
Quest: no i called him a trouble maker |
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tjsnell |
you think? |
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* Quest |
hides not to be character judged |
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Naros |
Can't judge me, I'm just pixels on a screen :P |
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acuzio |
Quest: he got banned from ##swearing remember |
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Quest |
tjsnell, wht troubles did he made ? |
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acuzio |
Quest: he stinks |
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acuzio |
Quest: its known that tjsnell bathes once a week |
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tjsnell |
lies! |
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Naros |
you realize that is customary in some cultures yes? >.< |
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acuzio |
really - what culture |
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pdurbin |
can we talk about java ee instead? |
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acuzio |
we might |
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Naros |
pdurbin: fine w/me, just pointing out people are different and doesn't constitute negative commentary. |
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Quest |
acuzio, no personal abuse please. |
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acuzio |
Quest: what personal abuse ? |
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pdurbin |
so, I'm actively working on a REST API but it does use servlets. I don't know how else I would do it |
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acuzio |
so Quest what abuse |
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Quest |
<acuzio> Quest: he stinks |
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Naros |
pdurbin: lots of reinventing of the wheel :P |
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pdurbin |
Naros: yeah |
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Naros |
and in the end, would look just like the servlet code likely with lots of gaps :P |
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acuzio |
Quest: thats not abuse - thats just the truth |
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Quest |
acuzio, not here please :) |
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pdurbin |
acuzio: have you found alternatives to servelets? what does google tell you? |
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pdurbin |
servlets* |
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tjsnell |
just because something is customary in a culture doesn't suddenly make it OK or non offensive |
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pdurbin |
crimsonfubot: google alternatives to java servlets |
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crimsonfubot |
pdurbin: What, besides servlets and jsp, may be used for web-application ...: <http://www.coderanch.com/t/524463/Servlets/java/servlets-jsp-web-application>; Java Servlets - MSDN - Microsoft: <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa478987.aspx>; When the Servlet Model Doesn't Serve: <http://www.kcjava.org/media/ServletModel.pdf>; Java Servlet Programming -- Chapter 3 - O'Reilly Media: (2 more messages) |
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tjsnell |
some cultures it's OK to eat your enemy |
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sfisque |
here's an analogy. doing something http related and not using servlets would be like writing your own ArrayList or Double class |
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sfisque |
mmmmmm….. roasted enemy…… aaaaaggghghghgththhghgh |
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acuzio |
Quest: he started it |
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acuzio |
In my culture its customary to eat your enemy - now he is offending me |
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Quest |
acuzio, be on topic please :) |
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Naros |
... |
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sfisque |
on a sober note, i used the /kick cmd for the first time last night. had to kick scripty |
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acuzio |
Quest: how come i am the only one being asked to stan topic - i didnt start it , i actually asked a real question |
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acuzio |
stay on |
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Quest |
java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed outat java.net.PlainSocketImpl.socketConnect(Native Method) . I have put the socket in try catch block. and catching it with Logger class. why my app stops at timout then? |
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sfisque |
is your app sending or receiving? |
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Quest |
acuzio, yes. what were you asking then? :) |
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Quest |
sfisque, both |
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sfisque |
well, the send will timeout if no one accepts the connection. the recieve will timeout if no one connects. are you using ServerSocket for the recieving end? |
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sfisque |
ServerSocket will block until someone connects to it |
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acuzio |
Isnt that normal JAva - |
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sfisque |
depends. |
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Quest |
simple socket |
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sfisque |
not if you're writing a JCA adapter :P |
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Quest |
no iam not |
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Quest |
connecting to a service at some port |
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Quest |
works ok but times out after a while. |
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sfisque |
aye, i was just saying that low level socket services are sometimes necessary in EE |
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Quest |
but why my app stops there with exception contrary to that i have handled the exception |
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Quest |
sfisque, its an non=EE |
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Quest |
app. |
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sfisque |
i know |
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* sfisque |
sighs |
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Quest |
strange. isnt it. if the exception is handled. no matter of time out. it should continue |
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Quest |
right? |
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sfisque |
depends. is the exception being thrown inside or outside the try block |
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sfisque |
also, is it really an exception or is it an Error? |
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sfisque |
or a subclass of RuntimeException |
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acuzio |
or throeable |
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acuzio |
I want to connect to a Database in my EJB ? |
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acuzio |
its a CMP running on Websphere |
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Quest |
sfisque, its this to be exact. v |
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Quest |
http://pastebin.com/2EM0D0Fb |
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acuzio |
wheres the code ? |
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sfisque |
you have an NPE |
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sfisque |
Q. i'm guessing you're calling .connect on a null Socket object |
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sfisque |
but that might just be my lumbago acting up |
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Quest |
ya. on socket.close. in finally but a timeout at start of conection |
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sfisque |
well lets look at ConnectionException |
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sfisque |
ok so it extends Exception so it's catchable in a proper situation |
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Quest |
ya. |
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Quest |
I have added exception |
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sfisque |
so what's on line 47 of bf.main |
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sfisque |
because that's where you're exception is being thrown |
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Quest |
UnknownHostException IOException Exception |
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sfisque |
ah, DNS issue |
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Quest |
47 is new Socket.. |
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Quest |
the host must have blocked too many request. but the app should not diey |
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Quest |
die* |
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sfisque |
negative. you're getting an NPE in your finallly block. you might need a null gate in there |
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sfisque |
for cases where the Socket constructor collapses |
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acuzio |
Quest: yes , hosts do that - block too many requests |
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sfisque |
generally when you're boot strapping a service consumption you might want to use something benign and "highly available", then switch when you're starting to do the nitty gritty stuff |
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sfisque |
try just connecting to google's search engine or a local webservice |
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acuzio |
can someone answer my question |
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sfisque |
what's the quest Acu |
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acuzio |
Connect to a DB in my EJB |
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sfisque |
that's a statement. what's the question? how? what? where? when? |
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acuzio |
HOw do i do it - |
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acuzio |
its a Websphere CMP bean |
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Quest |
sfisque, java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out again |
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sfisque |
are you trying to use the connection pool from an EJB, servlet, CDI bean, JSF ManagedBean or POJO? |
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acuzio |
i am trying to use it from an EJB |
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sfisque |
Q: i'm guessing they might have a "limit per IP" gate if it's a free service |
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sfisque |
aka, each IP gets X connects per minute/hour/day/whatever |
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acuzio |
sfisque: oh you are talking about Quest's problem |
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sfisque |
both, i'm multitasking :P |
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Quest |
sfisque, yes. but my app should not crash. but continue after the exception.... thats what i was insisting |
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sfisque |
Acu: do you have a persistence.xml in your project that bootstraps JPA? |
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Quest |
sfisque, multithreading that is |
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sfisque |
Q: if you get an exception outsdie the try block, it will crash. the stack traces indicate you have an NPE in the finally block, because the Socket is faililng in it's constructor. you need a null gate in the finally block |
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sfisque |
Acu: if you have a persistence.xml set up, you need to annotate an EntityManager injection in your EJB (@PersistenceContext EntityManager em; blah blah blah) |
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sfisque |
and then use the EntityManager to build or execute queries |
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acuzio |
from within the CMP |
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sfisque |
cmp is just a technology. |
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acuzio |
oh |
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tjsnell |
it's not magic |
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acuzio |
really |
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Quest |
sfisque, the exception is for the things those are inside the try block ofcourse. still it crashes |
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Quest |
sfisque, the finaly block itself had try block |
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Quest |
sfisque, what do you mean by null gate? |
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sfisque |
null gate: if( x != null ) { use x } else { handle the case where x == null }; |
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Quest |
oh |
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Quest |
if (socket != null) {socket.close()} right? |
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sfisque |
aye |
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Quest |
are jsoup and other parsers doing regex in the backend to get tags by name such as <a> or <p> ? |
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tjsnell |
does it matter? |
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tjsnell |
but most likely no because regex sucks for parsing |
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Quest |
yup. |
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Quest |
performance analysing |
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Questing |
what a fucking liar you are quest |
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Questing |
hahaha |
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questthechickenl |
dishonesty! |
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questthechickenl |
lie and pretent |
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questthechickenl |
hypocrite |
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Quest |
boy I love it. like a pay back time :) |
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Quest |
I am even now. |
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sfisque |
you pose this question…. why? |
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Quest |
sfisque, he is on +q (cant speak) |
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sfisque |
ah |
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Quest |
sfisque, it is now public that some ops in ##java found me dumb. and I found (either they are correct or not) that they ,despit, dont have any right to insult / abuse. |
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sfisque |
so we have a channel war? /sigh |
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Quest |
what can I say :) bad start on their side. I wont like a war or offtopic thing |
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Quest |
waste of time... |
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sfisque |
aye |
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tjsnell |
This ##java op has never disrupted this channel |
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tjsnell |
wish the reciprocal was the same |
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Quest |
take this to ##javaee-offtopic if you want to. not here. |
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Quest |
tjsnell, ^ |
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tjsnell |
nah, thanks, Just responding to comments made here, no desire to join that channel |
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Topic for ##javaee is now Core Java (Java SE) AND Java Enterprise Edition (Java EE) discussion | ##javaee-offtopic for all kinds of non-tech chat| logs at http://irclog.greptilian.com/javaee/today |
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sfisque |
i don't even belong to ##java |
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sfisque |
except, now that i've perused my scrollback, we don't need that kind of language in here. |
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sfisque |
i already had to /kick someone last night. |
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Quest |
take this to ##javaee-offtopic if you want to. not here. |
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sfisque |
lots of 4 letter explitives. we can leave it at that |
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Naros |
occured about 60 minutes ago. |
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Naros |
Yes, it was slightly prior to your join. |
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Chiyo |
test |
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Naros |
All I can concur with is sfisque's observation and stance that the language isn't necessary. |
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Naros |
Hi Chiyo. |
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Chiyo |
hello :) |
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sfisque |
the kick was last night. first one i've done, since becoming an op weeks ago |
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sfisque |
so, anywho… i'm having lots of fun refactoring out sesion scoped CDI's from the workflow i'm converting to an Asynch. fun fun fun….. |
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Naros |
haha, i'll come do that while you do all this TSQL code for me :P |
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sfisque |
glassfish. but doesnt matter. session scoped == non-thread safe, thus must be removed from an Asynch workflow |
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sfisque |
naros : not on your life :P |
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sfisque |
you cannot guarantee the life cycle of the session scoped bean while you're in a worker thread |
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Naros |
you can guarantee a kaboom tho! |
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Naros |
massive explosions and lots of fireworks :P |
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sfisque |
that.. yes.. .you can guarantee that :P |
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sfisque |
or as i like to label it… the "smoking crater" |
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Naros |
reminds me of worker threads dereferencing an invalid pointer in c++ |
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sfisque |
pretty much analogous |
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Naros |
when those hit real users, things get nasty fast :E |
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sfisque |
aye, just elucidating for the channel, since we have all levels of members in here. good to be "pedantic" occasionally for the neophytes |
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Naros |
sfisque: Speaking of smoking ..... i suspect that's what is happening to my db server right now lol. |
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Naros |
doing a massive client data load of around 350 million records |
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Naros |
those poor discs :P |
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sfisque |
i bet when its done, it'll be smoking… the good stuff.. to forget the pain :P |
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Naros |
yah |
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sfisque |
hey, what's the smell coming from the machine room… oh… i know that smell.... |
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sfisque |
door opens, to the sound of a db server coughing and wheezing |
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sfisque |
wearing a dead shirt and a bandana |
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sfisque |
both tie dye of course |
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Naros |
yep, with a sign on the wall that reads, "if we had only went with oracle instead of mssql" :P |
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sfisque |
"if we had only went with oracle instead of mssql….. dude...." |
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Naros |
lawlz, yah we have an old Oracle 8i db running Oracle 11.03 in the server room and that chokes repeatedly. |
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Naros |
old ibm aix :E |
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sfisque |
aix had some interesting features |
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Naros |
:) |
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Naros |
but the worse part is having to rebuild the lucene search index on all that data |
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sfisque |
wierdst bug i ever tracked down. swing app that failed to launch on aix. turned out, the Xwin subsystem is completely multi-threaded on AIX. so calls like "new Window();" would return instantly and you'd get all sorts of NPEs if you didnt use wait/notify |
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Naros |
now that's some funny mess. |
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Naros |
gotta love people who write code and forget about those wonderful features. |
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sfisque |
yah. we were like. WTF, it runs fine on EVERY other platform including HPUX, solaris, etc. |
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sfisque |
then i stepped through the code on an aix box and did some searching via alta-vista (google hadnt debuted yet) |
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sfisque |
and voila… all we needed was to insert some wait/notifies and everything was happy |
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sfisque |
yah, i LOVED alta-vista's "near" operator |
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Naros |
yah the early days of the interwebz. |
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sfisque |
really culled down queries fast |
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* pdurbin |
wonders if he should skip reading today's log... |
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tjsnell |
that's a good policy :) |
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pdurbin |
it's actually not as bad as I thought it'd be. code strong! |
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pdurbin |
with apologies to sfisque :) |
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tjsnell |
he's offended by code strong? |
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