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17:25 mr_lou Anyone have a tools.jar from an old jdk? Like 1.3 or 1.4?
18:15 enrio huh?
18:16 enrio 1.3? which era are you from?!
18:16 enrio what are you doing/: mr_lou
18:16 aditsu blu-ray is stuck in the dark ages
18:17 aditsu mr_lou is the blu-ray guy
18:20 mr_lou I'm the bluuuuu guy.
18:20 mr_lou Duh!
18:20 aditsu da-ba-dee :p
18:20 mr_lou BDCertGenerator is referring to old keytool.
18:21 aditsu can't you find an ancient JDK to download?
18:21 mr_lou Sure, if I login to Oracle's site.
18:21 mr_lou I hate that.
18:21 mr_lou That's the only thing I hate about Orcale.
18:21 aditsu anywhere else?
18:21 mr_lou They force people to login to download a JDK!
18:21 mr_lou Asswipes.
18:21 aditsu I hate almost everything about oracle :p
18:22 mr_lou But I can't make up my mind which approach to take.
18:22 mr_lou Either I find an old tools.jar - or else I fix the source in BDCertGenerator to use the new keytool api.
18:23 mr_lou It's so dumb to make changes to API's.
18:23 mr_lou So old stuff don't work anymore.
18:24 mr_lou They changed KeyTool to keytool.Main  O_o
18:24 mr_lou So that means, in your source, you'll be callin Main()  O_o  which says nothing about what it is.
18:24 mr_lou Who makes these dumbass decisions?
18:24 aditsu can't you stub it?
18:25 mr_lou I forgot what a javastub is.... but I don't think it's relevant to my complaint here.
18:25 aditsu I mean write your own KeyTool class with a main method that calls the new one
18:25 mr_lou Oh..
18:26 mr_lou No, because it's BDCertGenerator that calls it.
18:26 mr_lou I'd have to edit BDCertGenerator anyway then.
18:26 aditsu you just need to add it to the classpath
18:30 mr_lou Sounds like getting an old tools.jar is much less work.
18:32 aditsu up to you
18:33 mr_lou -_-
18:33 mr_lou aditsu, Why don't you like Oracle?
18:33 mr_lou I hear that alot. Many people don't like them.
18:33 mr_lou I don't keep myself updated.
18:34 mr_lou What are they doing?
18:34 aditsu their main product is terrible and ridiculously expensive, and they are very aggressive money-grabbers
18:36 aditsu they would extort everything they can from anyone they can
18:36 aditsu that's basically why they bought Sun
18:38 aditsu then discarded whatever they saw as useless for their goals (see OpenOffice)
18:40 mr_lou Doesn't all businesses do that?
18:40 mr_lou I mean.....    "product is terrible and ridiculously expensive" makes me think Microsoft all the way.
18:41 aditsu ms products are not that expensive
18:44 aditsu I just looked at a price list, their standard edition server is $17500 (processor license, which might be charged per cpu core, I'm not sure)
19:01 mr_lou And that's not expensive?
19:03 aditsu that's Oracle's db server product
19:03 aditsu guess I wasn't very clear
19:12 mr_lou k
19:27 mr_lou There, new cardreader installed.
19:28 mr_lou Classic way of doing things.
19:28 mr_lou Looking for an old JDK somewhere..... thinking it might be on a Compact Flash card, but CF cardreader is broke.
19:28 aditsu car dreader :p
19:28 mr_lou Found a new one in the closest...
19:28 mr_lou *closet
19:30 mr_lou Cardreaders are cool. And you know it.
20:07 enrio this reminds me of chess.com were they like to grab money and site is slowwwwww
20:08 enrio does openjdk existed way before 1.5? aditsu
20:08 enrio did*
20:11 aditsu I don't know.. maybe not
20:12 enrio mr_lou, who uses jdk 1.3?
20:12 enrio except you :P
20:13 enrio did anyone shift to Java 11 LTS?
20:22 pdurbin We're still on Java 8.
20:26 mr_lou I also use JDK8, but won't be upgrading.
20:26 mr_lou JDK8 is the last one with -source and -target options, allowing me to code for 1.3
20:26 mr_lou Anyway, bedtime.
20:26 mr_lou G'nite
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20:37 enrio we cant do that on JDK 9 10 or 11/?  pdurbin
20:38 pdurbin -source and -target? I don't know.
21:00 enrio its been great using -source and -target often used it
21:00 enrio mr_lou come back
21:00 enrio why we wont have that

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