IRC log for #friendlyjava, 2019-08-27

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11:11	mr_lou	Gawd I hate web....
11:12	mr_lou	5 minutes into this new webapp project, and it behaves silly.
11:12	aditsu	I like web :)
11:13	mr_lou	Put a div as the very first thing. Write "Hey there" in it. All fine and good. It's at the top. Then replace "Hey there" with "<h1>Hey there</h1>"... and now the whole fucking div gets a padding at the top.
11:13	mr_lou	I hate web.
11:14	aditsu	like this? https://jsfiddle.net/cv5bs34g/
11:15	mr_lou	https://jsfiddle.net/wxhy041j/
11:16	mr_lou	It's the whole green bar (i.e. the div) that gets a padding. Not logical.
11:16	mr_lou	I rarily find web logical.
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11:16	aditsu	no padding, but h1 has margins
11:17	mr_lou	I set a green background color on the div to check its position. It's at the top when normal text is in there. But put h1, and the whole div jumps down.
11:18	aditsu	h1 reserves some space above it
11:18	mr_lou	Put margin and padding to 0 on the div, doesn't matter.
11:18	mr_lou	Yes.... but that would just mean it should put space INSIDE the div... not outside it.
11:18	mr_lou	I.e. the would be a bigger green space above the h1. Not a bigger white space outside the div.
11:20	mr_lou	If I set margin and padding = 0 on the h1, then yes, it is "fixed". But I shouldn't have to bloddy do that - because it shouldn't matter what margin and padding any element inside the div has. It shouldn't affect the margin and padding on the div!
11:21	aditsu	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1762539/margin-on-child-element-moves-parent-element
11:23	mr_lou	Well at least I'm not alone in my opinion then.
11:23	mr_lou	Gimme J2ME instead any day.
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11:24	mr_lou	Yea... if I set a border on the div, then it works. O_o www.makesnosense.com
11:25	mr_lou	Web sucks.
11:30	aditsu	https://jsfiddle.net/hsfw514j/
11:37	mr_lou	Makes just as much sense as using a border.
11:39	aditsu	it makes more sense, as you don't always want to have a border
11:42	mr_lou	O_o That has nothing to do with how little sense it makes.
11:43	mr_lou	Needing to add overflow to avoid margin/padding on a div makes no sense.
11:43	mr_lou	That's not what overflow is for.
11:46	aditsu	your h1 basically overflows your div
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11:56	nanoz	aditsu you have a written a book? on algorithms
11:56	nanoz	i never knew that
11:57	aditsu	what? no I haven't
11:57	nanoz	the person name is same as yours
11:58	aditsu	really? link?
12:00	nanoz	downloaded from github but still that book is great
12:00	nanoz	Aditya Y. Bhargava
12:00	nanoz	https://www.manning.com/books/grokking-algorithms
12:00	aditsu	my name is not Aditya
12:01	aditsu	and definitely not Bhargava
12:03	nanoz	hmm
12:03	nanoz	sorry that you wrote the book
12:11	mr_lou	aditsu, That would mean overflow: none should work, but it doesn't. But overflow: hidden works, which again makes no sense.
12:12	aditsu	I don't think "none" is a valid value
12:13	nanoz	its web
12:13	nanoz	please use css3 for smart
12:13	nanoz	ginx: grid-template
12:13	nanoz	not sure what is the question.
12:14	aditsu	mr_lou: hidden works because it still creates a new block formatting context
12:15	mr_lou	Mandela Effect..... I'm from a different dimension, and I can't adapt to the weird rules in this one.
12:20	nanoz	its not mandela effect
12:22	mr_lou	You would say that because you're from this dimension.
12:25	nanoz	what made you to enter web world?
12:25	nanoz	isnt that you foo only on embedded things.
12:25	* nanoz	just curious
12:26	mr_lou	Wasn't really a choice.
12:26	mr_lou	You start the education as a computer scientist.
12:27	mr_lou	But I probably should have been a farmer.
12:27	mr_lou	Or a rock star.
12:27	mr_lou	Now I can't even make 3 divs appear next to eachother without margin, using inline-block.
12:29	mr_lou	https://jsfiddle.net/se1rouwj/
12:29	mr_lou	Why are the space between those?
12:30	aditsu	newlines and any other whitespace are treated as a space
12:31	aditsu	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5078239/how-do-i-remove-the-space-between-inline-block-elements
12:32	mr_lou	$8-\|
12:34	mr_lou	That's not how web worked back in my own dimension.
12:34	mr_lou	I find it odd that you think that's a normal acceptable behavior.
12:35	aditsu	whitespace always worked like that, but inline-block didn't always exist
12:36	mr_lou	The funny thing here is, that if you create a div with display: block, and you put a new line in it - then it won't show - because it's the same as saying there's nothing in it But have a new line after the div... and then it's a white space.....
12:38	mr_lou	You're all confused in this dimension. That's what it is.
12:46	nanoz	dude webassembly for you
12:48	mr_lou	It reminds me of an episode of Twilight Zone.
12:49	mr_lou	Poor guy finds himself in a world where all words slowly start to change and have new meanings.
12:49	mr_lou	So he has to teach himself the new meanings of all words.
12:50	mr_lou	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7_xNK49RTs
12:51	mr_lou	Amazing you can find anything online today.
12:58	nanoz	go to codechef and foo
13:02	* nanoz	codechef gui arent good
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23:12	Jantz	https://pastebin.com/gLk7f5Tx
23:14	Jantz	hello in this bit of code can someone please tell me whats going on with the 'name' parameter in the sayHello method, like in the main method is it calling the sayHello method and "David" and "Amy" are effectively being what'd??
23:15	Jantz	and is sayHello(), actually a Class Method??
23:19	Jantz	i can see that the 'name' String is being somethinged in the println method so whenever the sayHello method is called it is executed but what is the process called ?? passing?? calling?? im not sure
23:22	Jantz	and in the static void sayHello(String name) method what is actually going here? is 'name' a what? a parameter thats being whatd?
23:22	Jantz	on here*
23:43	pdurbin	You are passing the string "Amy" as an argument to the sayHello method.
23:58	Jantz	so when the sayHello("Amy") method is being called 'Amy' is somehow being passed in directly connected to the String name and println method??
23:59	Jantz	like what is the compiler doing?

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