| Time |
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Nick |
Message |
| 00:20 |
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aditsu |
pdurbin: hey, I'm finally watching the clip you mentioned (past the intro) - http://irclog.greptilian.com/friendlyjava/2017-05-01#i_206157 |
| 00:21 |
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aditsu |
protobufs are great, but it seems that gRPC is the real deal |
| 00:21 |
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aditsu |
and I didn't get to the kubernetes part yet |
| 00:42 |
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aditsu |
ok, kubernetes is for deployment, different stuff |
| 01:41 |
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pdurbin |
aditsu: cool, I thought that was a good video? |
| 01:42 |
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aditsu |
yeah, I didn't quite follow what he was saying sometimes, but overall it was good |
| 01:45 |
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pdurbin |
I guess for me the main takeaway was that a lot of time can be spend in processing JSON. |
| 01:48 |
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aditsu |
that was the "duh" part for me :p |
| 01:52 |
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aditsu |
he also gave a quick argument for docker, which was somewhat better than everything I've heard about it before |
| 01:58 |
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pdurbin |
I think I'm already somewhat sold on containers. The concept anyway. Who knows when we actually will start using them at work. |
| 02:08 |
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aditsu |
I thought you were totally sold; I'm not though, but I might look into it someday |
| 02:10 |
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pdurbin |
Our customers aren't really asking for our app to run in containers yet. |
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| 18:50 |
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CatButts |
hai guise |
| 18:50 |
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CatButts |
I'm looking for a midi player or sequencer for Java |
| 18:51 |
|
CatButts |
I am looking forward to taking J2SE Embedded's Gervil for a spin |
| 19:00 |
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CatButts |
hmmm, no |
| 19:00 |
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CatButts |
I am mistaken |
| 19:00 |
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CatButts |
Gervil is only part of OpenJDK |
| 19:01 |
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CatButts |
and is also usable as a separate lib |
| 19:12 |
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aditsu |
media playing in java has always been kinda shoddy |
| 19:13 |
|
CatButts |
does J2SE have built-in midi player + default soundbank? |
| 19:13 |
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pulsar |
there was that JME thing... |
| 19:13 |
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CatButts |
like my memory tells me |
| 19:13 |
|
CatButts |
? |
| 19:13 |
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pulsar |
i guess its long dead in the water |
| 19:13 |
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pulsar |
java media someting |
| 19:14 |
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pulsar |
jmf even |
| 19:14 |
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pulsar |
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/javase/index-jsp-140239.html |
| 19:15 |
|
aditsu |
not familiar with midi, but google is your friend |
| 19:16 |
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pulsar |
there is also this https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/sound/MIDI-synth.html |
| 19:16 |
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pulsar |
i should start charging for googling up simple questions :) |
| 19:19 |
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* CatButts |
pokes in rt.jar instead |
| 19:20 |
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CatButts |
C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.8.0_151\lib\rt.jar\com\sun\media\sound\ |
| 19:20 |
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CatButts |
here we habe |
| 19:20 |
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CatButts |
*have |
| 19:20 |
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CatButts |
classes pertaining to DLS format |
| 19:21 |
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CatButts |
SF2 too |
| 19:21 |
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CatButts |
SMFParser |
| 19:21 |
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CatButts |
that be the midi format |
| 19:22 |
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aditsu |
note that com.sun is not part of the public API |
| 19:33 |
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CatButts |
well, yes, aditsu |
| 19:33 |
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| 19:33 |
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CatButts |
but it's used by something that IS exposed to public, yes? |
| 19:33 |
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CatButts |
midi and soundbank handling |
| 19:33 |
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CatButts |
in Java |
| 19:33 |
|
CatButts |
am I correct? |
| 19:33 |
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aditsu |
most probably |
| 19:34 |
|
mr_lou |
No computers have a MIDI sound bank anymore. |
| 19:34 |
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mr_lou |
That's why you use DLS or SF2 files instead. |
| 19:34 |
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mr_lou |
DLS = DownLoadable Soundfont. |
| 19:34 |
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CatButts |
jokes on you, I have GM.DLS :P |
| 19:34 |
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mr_lou |
SF2 = Sound Font 2 |
| 19:34 |
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CatButts |
I never got around to learning to make my own soundfonts |
| 19:34 |
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CatButts |
too bad |
| 19:35 |
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mr_lou |
MIDI + DLS is almost like a FastTracker II file. :-> |
| 19:35 |
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CatButts |
cause I have a few things I want to preserve |
| 19:35 |
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aditsu |
I remember buying my first sound card, it was an AdLib :) |
| 19:35 |
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CatButts |
does midi have 0xx command? |
| 19:35 |
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CatButts |
:P |
| 19:35 |
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mr_lou |
Un4Seen has made a very old utility called 2MIDI. It lets you convert a module, MOD or XM or IT or S3M into a MIDI + DLS or SF2 file. |
| 19:35 |
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CatButts |
http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/know_your_arpeggios.gif |
| 19:36 |
|
mr_lou |
Check diz: http://www.indiegamemusic.com/viewtrack.php?id=372 |
| 19:36 |
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mr_lou |
No wait. |
| 19:36 |
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mr_lou |
Not that one. |
| 19:37 |
|
mr_lou |
This one: http://www.indiegamemusic.com/viewtrack.php?id=84 |
| 19:37 |
|
mr_lou |
Amiga MOD file originally. Converted to MIDI+DLS with 2MIDI and assembled into an XMF using another tool I had. |
| 19:37 |
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mr_lou |
The XMF file will actually play on modern cellphones even today. Sounds like a MOD. |
| 19:37 |
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mr_lou |
Using native players. |
| 19:39 |
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aditsu |
I wrote a few mod/s3m/it songs back in the day :p |
| 19:39 |
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mr_lou |
aditsu, Put them on IndieGameMusic.com :-) |
| 19:39 |
|
CatButts |
sell them for 4 bucks |
| 19:39 |
|
mr_lou |
aditsu, I once sold 11 of my old Amiga MOD files to a Windows game-developer there, because he "preferred the oldskool sound". |
| 19:39 |
|
CatButts |
have paypal take half the money |
| 19:39 |
|
CatButts |
:P |
| 19:40 |
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CatButts |
wankers |
| 19:40 |
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aditsu |
wat, people buy them? |
| 19:40 |
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mr_lou |
They buy resale licenses. |
| 19:40 |
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CatButts |
apparently so |
| 19:40 |
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mr_lou |
Game-devs. |
| 19:43 |
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mr_lou |
aditsu, Custom game music is very expensive. So cheap ready-to-use tracks can be attractive. |
| 19:44 |
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CatButts |
I vaguely touched tracked music making |
| 19:44 |
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CatButts |
I mostly do mechanical covers, note-for-note |
| 19:44 |
|
CatButts |
instrument for instrument |
| 19:46 |
|
aditsu |
I have to see if I can find them again.. |
| 19:46 |
|
mr_lou |
:-) |
| 19:46 |
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mr_lou |
aditsu, Just remember to also provide an mp3 and/or ogg versino too. |
| 19:46 |
|
mr_lou |
Most gamedevs sadly still prefer the streamed versions. |
| 19:47 |
|
mr_lou |
I wish more gamedevs would return to the tracked formats. They are optimal for games. |
| 19:49 |
|
aditsu |
I emailed them to a friend once, found the email :) |
| 19:49 |
|
CatButts |
I am curious, aditsu |
| 19:50 |
|
aditsu |
file dates are from 1999 |
| 19:50 |
|
aditsu |
but I wrote them before that |
| 19:50 |
|
aditsu |
*made them |
| 19:51 |
|
aditsu |
let me see how to play them.. |
| 19:58 |
|
CatButts |
are you windows user, aditsu? |
| 19:58 |
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CatButts |
if so, modplug tracker |
| 20:00 |
|
aditsu |
no, Linux |
| 20:01 |
|
aditsu |
according to my older notes, amarok works, but I don't feel like installing it |
| 20:03 |
|
aditsu |
wonder why xmp is not in portage.. |
| 20:04 |
|
aditsu |
ok, milkytracker can handle it |
| 20:11 |
|
aditsu |
oh, there's also "dumb" and "modplug", let me see |
| 20:13 |
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CatButts |
http://www.les-stooges.org:80/pascal/midiswing/index.php this has been a dissapointment on the n900 |
| 20:14 |
|
CatButts |
know any other java midi sequencers/players? |
| 20:14 |
|
CatButts |
short of me getting of me bum and compiling an example |
| 20:16 |
|
CatButts |
I don't even care about programming for this |
| 20:16 |
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CatButts |
I just want to test the J2SE Embedded and the phone |
| 20:29 |
|
aditsu |
ok, here's one of my creations: http://www.aditsu.net/ASPIRINA.ogg |
| 20:36 |
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mr_lou |
Will have to listen tomorrow aditsu |
| 20:36 |
|
mr_lou |
Bedtime here. |
| 20:36 |
|
mr_lou |
G'nite ! |
| 20:36 |
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aditsu |
bah, night sleeper |
| 20:52 |
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CatButts |
I have concluded that java softsynth playback of midi is useless on J2SE Embedded + n900 |
| 20:53 |
|
CatButts |
http://www.jsresources.org/examples/SimpleMidiPlayer.java.html |
| 20:54 |
|
CatButts |
I tried this example |
| 20:54 |
|
CatButts |
I removed the bit after |
| 20:54 |
|
CatButts |
if (! (sm_sequencer instanceof Synthesizer)) |
| 20:54 |
|
CatButts |
resulted in two playing instances |
| 21:02 |
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pulsar |
why do you bother doing midi stuff in java again? |
| 21:03 |
|
CatButts |
I wanna try it out and see what it's made of |
| 21:05 |
|
CatButts |
it's kinda crappy |
| 21:05 |
|
CatButts |
in places |
| 21:06 |
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pulsar |
do it with style then. |
| 21:06 |
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pulsar |
using windows me or something to run it :) |
| 21:06 |
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pulsar |
and publish your applet on geocities afterwards. |
| 21:06 |
|
CatButts |
oh shit |
| 21:06 |
|
CatButts |
OpenJDK's implementation actually plays correctly than Sun's |
| 21:07 |
|
CatButts |
OpenJDK is better at something compared to official implementation |
| 21:07 |
|
CatButts |
who would have thought |
| 21:08 |
|
CatButts |
hold on, let me check again |
| 21:08 |
|
CatButts |
no, it's me being a dumbass |
| 21:09 |
|
CatButts |
and midi playing program being buggy |
| 21:11 |
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CatButts |
[23:02] <pulsar> why do you bother doing midi stuff in java again? |
| 21:11 |
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CatButts |
I have a phone that can run j2se |
| 21:12 |
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CatButts |
and I am throwing applications at it in a bid to make it useful |
| 21:12 |
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pulsar |
if i dig deep enough in my junk drawer... i might find one too :) |
| 21:12 |
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CatButts |
you are thinking j2me |
| 21:12 |
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pulsar |
yeah |
| 21:13 |
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CatButts |
this is j2se |
| 21:13 |
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CatButts |
embedded |
| 21:13 |
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pulsar |
what profile is that? |
| 21:13 |
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pulsar |
and language level |
| 21:14 |
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CatButts |
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/embedded/embedded-se/downloads/index.html |
| 21:14 |
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CatButts |
I think it's on par with J2SE, with some extra APIs added |
| 21:15 |
|
CatButts |
or is it? |
| 21:15 |
|
CatButts |
hmmmm |
| 21:16 |
|
CatButts |
http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/oracle-javase-embedded-ds-365290.pdf?ssSourceSiteId=otnen |
| 21:17 |
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pulsar |
no reflection, no lambdas |
| 21:17 |
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pulsar |
different jit vm |
| 23:37 |
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CatButts |
oh hey, apparently there's JDK for ARM too |
